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Give money to the Animal organisations!

When your ATM is carried out to sea, how do you get money?

Oh please.

Are you serious?

Money is not an immediate issue when a huge wave wipes out your village.

I can't believe you're asking such a question. I mean you really think that we need to give money because the poor people of Japan lost their ATM machines?

I mean if that's the case you're making then you've grossly misunderstood the context in which aid is distributed as well as the point I've been trying to make.

As serious as the day is long.

Well then way to misunderstand pretty much the entire thread.

It seems you have erased your original post. You say your reasons are "rational" but can no longer share them.

Let me know when you are done editing that post.

You have said virtually the same thing in just about every post so I HAVE read what you have written as have many others. You constantly refer to the Japanese government stating it has enough money although I don't believe you know the true facts. However, the Japanese people are not simply being helped by the government, charities, most notably the Red Cross is involved. The Red Cross is a charity and depends on donations and no doubt their help along with that of foreign relief teams is needed. From what you wrote earlier I think you have just got a hang up about races which are hardly relevant in this issue. Just in case you forgot lots of other nations helped Haiti and some most likely still are.

people are people disasters are disasters.


we should at least help where we can without somebody trying to tell us who or what we should do.


i shall never understand ronin--- he should not be dictating to us.

Way to fail at reading what I said.

I've addressed this earlier.

If the Red Cross have problems with funding then they can invoice the Japanese government.

I am happy to give to the red cross but I'll earmark my money for use in other disasters that need my MONEY.

Wrong.

You haven't paraphrased my point correctly at all.

They can afford it.

Japan is the worlds third richest country in the world.

The estimated cost is large. But it's well within the capabilities of the Japanese economy which will no doubt take a hit... but the worst that can happen is that it becomes the world's fourth richest country as opposed to being the world's third richest country for a little bit... whoop dee do.

This hasn't even ended yet. Nobody knows how long this is gonna take.
At least Christchurch and Haiti were just ONE EARTHQUAKE. It's not gonna be easy to rebuild all those houses.

Ronin, who are you to decide which countries deserve charity?
People need assistance when tragedy happens no matter if the country is poor or not.

I don't see anything wrong with donating to the Red Cross. They will make a best judgement of how the money will be used, it can go to Japan, it can go to another country that needs the aid.

To Misa's point, Red Cross doesn't operate off of government funding. And if government is to give Red Cross any funds, they will have other organization to answer to...

You are the one who is wrong; nearly all your posts state in so many words; 'Japan is a rich country and therefore does not need aid.' This is incorrect as the rescue effort, along with re-housing, rebuilding and staving off a potential nuclear disaster all contribute to expenses the country can ill afford - the country is debt like many other places.

I would call that very arrogant.:mad:

This is one example of what I mean about your posts so come on, how do would you know? You appear to making assumptions based on conjecture.

It's also worth noting here that the appeals process for Japan has been far less vocal (in the UK at least) than for comparable disasters in third-world countries. I remember when news of Haiti broke, and further back, the Sierra Leone famine crisis; every news cast was accompanied by 'how to donate, please donate' information and blatant mention of the appeal; news of Japan isn't operating in the same way.

Plenty of news coverage, but no actual broadcasted appeals for aid that I've seen so far.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. The Red Cross cannot "invoice" the Japanese government. You would be as up in arms as anyone if an organization, charitable or not, came into a country, spent millions or billions doing anything, and then gave the government a bill they were expected to pay without a contract.

I think my indulgence in this silliness has reached its end.

How UK charities are helping quake-hit Japan
 

While browsing news I found something interesting:

BBC NEWS: BBC News - How UK charities are helping quake-hit Japan

How UK charities are helping quake-hit Japan

By Marie Jackson BBC News - 16/03/2011



Japanese residents queue up to receive aid supplies in the devastated city of Sendai

Japan's massive earthquake and the tsunami that followed have left thousands of families homeless, children without parents and food and fuel shortages.

In response, 91 countries have offered aid, from blankets and food to search dogs and military transport.

But the Japanese government is among the best prepared in the world for disasters and has so far only made specific requests for help, such as calling for search and rescue teams.

There has been no request yet for humanitarian assistance from the international community.

This has put UK charities and Britons wanting to help in an unusual position - until Japan asks for help, the UK is limited in what it can do.

Several charities, including Save the Children UK, British Red Cross and World Vision UK, are asking for donations.

“People's desire to help is overwhelming and understandable”
DEC spokesman

However, the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) - usually the first to launch a major fundraising appeal after a disaster - is not planning one for Japan.

The umbrella body that represents 13 of the largest UK aid agencies says the Japanese government is very much in charge and help is being carefully co-ordinated.

"The danger is almost 'too many cooks spoil the broth'," said a DEC spokesman.

He said the charities' expertise is in responding to disasters in poorer developing countries where infrastructure can be weak, government agencies often have limited capacity and many people are already vulnerable from chronic poverty.

The kind of help needed in developed countries is quite different, he says.

The DEC launched an appeal immediately after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti - the poorest nation in the Americas.

By contrast, Japan has the world's third-largest economy - but many people who see TV footage of the devastation day after day still want to help in any way they can.

There has been much talk on social networking sites of ways to help the Japanese people. High-profile artists such as Lady Gaga are reported to be setting up fundraisers - she says she has designed a "Japan prayer bracelet" - but it is unclear which charities will received the money raised.

An evacuee makes a bed on the floor of a school gymnasium People made homeless by the earthquake are staying in makeshift evacuation centres

The DEC has come in for some criticism for not setting up an appeal, but has tried to explain its position through Twitter and Facebook.

"People's desire to help is overwhelming and understandable," said the DEC spokesman. "Once we talk them through it, they are quite supportive."

Of those charities that have made appeals, Save the Children UK says it has raised £60,000 in three days. Its target is £1m.

A team from Save the Children is already in Sendai, one of the worst affected areas, to set up play areas.

“We are assessing the situation and waiting to hear from partners - Japan are pretty much in control.”
British Red Cross

Stephen McDonald, from the charity, told the BBC that Japan was a country that liked to be self-sufficient, but these play areas would be safe havens for the most vulnerable children as they tried to recover from the trauma of the disaster.

The charity performed a similar role during the 2010 earthquake in Haiti, and the floods in Pakistan.

The British Red Cross is also appealing for donations, which will most likely be sent to support the Japanese Red Cross, giving medical and psychological care to survivors.

Currently, it has 735 people there making up 85 medical teams, including doctors and nurses, as well as volunteers to distribute hot meals and blankets, clear debris and provide medical transport.

A spokesman for the British Red Cross said it had not sent any supplies or teams to the country but would, if asked.

"We are assessing the situation and waiting to hear from partners," he said. "Japan are pretty much in control."

The charity also warned that hoax e-mails claiming to be raising money for the Japan Tsunami Appeal were being circulated.



Blankets and tents

Aid agency World Vision UK has raised £96,000 from donations. The charity has a team already on the ground in Japan distributing bottled water, blankets and setting up child-friendly spaces. It said no UK team was planning to go out to Japan.

Islamic Relief has also launched an emergency appeal and, according to its website, is considering the most suitable intervention. It has several offices close by, including in China, Indonesia and Malaysia.

Christian Aid is directing donations to its sister agency, the Church World Service, which works with Japanese non-governmental organisations.

And Oxfam says its donations will go to Oxfam Japan to help fund a service for breastfeeding mothers and a language centre for non-Japanese speakers affected by the disaster.

One smaller charity - Cornwall-based Shelterbox - has already sent 220 tents and survival equipment to Tokyo.

There are 5,000 more packed ready to go but fuel shortages may well make it difficult to get tents to some of the worst-affected areas."

Evacuees face food and medicine shortages in Japan
 

Rescue and recovery operations are continuing in Japan but cold and snowy weather in the north-east is hampering efforts.

Survivors who have been forced to leave their homes are also facing shortages of basic supplies and hospitals are running low on medicines.

Mike Wooldridge reports.

BBC News - Evacuees face food and medicine shortages in Japan

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Is the American Red Cross worthy of our donations?
By Allan Chernoff, CNN senior correspondentFebruary 2, 2010
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com)

In regards to the Red Cross and it's performance in the US a ( country ).

Wrong MMM, in the case of the charity relief work in the US - in the wake of both the Sept. 11, 2001, and Katrina flooding , New Orleans and especially Haiti Earthquake relief efforts the Red Cross was caught trying to divert donations to the Red Cross Liberty Disaster Fund for other purposes*,again
Red Cross was blamed for poor coordination of relief efforts in the aftermath of Katrina.

Local Red Cross chapters have been victims of embezzlement. And two years ago the Red Cross had to turn to Congress for a $100 million infusion after its emergency response fund was depleted. (The Red Cross has a Congressional charter and counts the president of the United States as its honorary chairman.)

What is a quote from you and what is from an article?

Is the American Red Cross worthy of donations - Feb. 1, 2010

I think it is very misleading to cherry pick a couple negative incidents when the conclusion of the article would no doubt be "yes" to the question if you read it all the way though.

The American Red Cross receives a three-star rating from Charity Navigator, up from two stars in 2008, but still one star shy of the top ranking. Berger says that's primarily because the Red Cross does not have an ample financial cushion to carry the organization through lean times.

While improving efficiency, Red Cross executives say they are also intent on ensuring that donor funds to Haiti are not lost to fraud. So, financial auditors are on the ground in Haiti, tracking expenditures.

"Fraud is certainly at the top of our minds," said David Meltzer, senior vice president American Red Cross International Services. "I don't want our dollars of assistance to end up in sticky fingers. I want it to get to the people who need it."

Let's not confuse the situation at a time when people are in need.

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How about these 'cherrys'?

Richard Walden, of the humanitarian group Operation USA, in the Los Angeles Times

..,"The worst scandal came after the September 11 attacks, when it was revealed that a large portion of the hundreds of millions of dollars donated to the organization went not to survivors or family members of those killed, but to other Red Cross operations, in what was described by chapters across the country as a "bait-and-switch" operation."

Red Cross relief efforts after Katrina,..
"Its fundraising vastly outruns its programs because it does very little or nothing to rescue survivors, provide direct medical care or rebuild houses."


Eileen Therese Saxon of the Asheville, North Carolina Red Cross chapter charged with embezzling $165,000 – 9% of its $1.25 million dollar annual budget. (Source Ashville Citizen Times)


Karen Shuerger, former assistant director of accounting at the Orange County, California Chapter of the Red Cross has been sentenced to six months in Federal prison, ordered to pay restitution in the amount of $110,000 and when she is released, she will also serve 3 years of supervised release and six months of home detention. (Source: NY Times)


Red Cross Director Jonathon A. Jarrell of Virginia indicted on one count of embezzlement. Jarrell allegedly embezzled about $16,452 from the chapter between November 2004 and July 2006.


Joseph Lecowitch, CEO of the Hudson County Chapter in New Jersey, and his bookkeeper Catalina Escoto. Escoto gave herself $75,000 in bonuses. According to prosecutors, these two stole well over $1 million Red Cross donor dollars squandering it on gambling and each other. (Source: NY Times).

Pls. source what auditors are in Haiti ?
The same group of government appointees that watched the financial insitutions meltdown without a hic-cup*? Are poor choices for auditors.
Note; ARC American Red Cross has gone thru six presidents in the last nine years, several of whom were forced out. One was fired for having an inappropriate “sexual relationship with a subordinate.”
Since 2008' ARC has laid off one-third of its employees, ARC has faced a $210 million deficit. It received $100 million in emergency funds from Congress and has since been able to reduce that gap to about $35.5 million. With a proven tangible history of mismanagement and fiscal abuse somebody should pull the plug on this organization.

Repeated By Accident

guys chillout, corruption will happen, that's just the messed up world we live in. Just because of a minority does that mean people should be deprived of help around the world?

If there is a charity you are unsure of then donate to another one 'simples'. What's the point arguing about it?.

here are so many you could donate to for so many different causes around the world:

British Red Cross - Home Page | British Red Cross
GlobalGiving: donate to projects in the developing world supporting education, health, women and children, and more
Stop child abuse - support the children’s charity - the NSPCC
Cancer Research UK: the UK's leading cancer charity
http://www.muslimaid.org/
Christian Aid - fighting for a world free of poverty and injustice
http://www.actionaid.org.uk/
CAFOD, Catholic Overseas Development Agency. UK Charity website.
Concern Worldwide | dedicated to reducing suffering and eliminating extreme poverty
Children's Charity | Sponsor Children | End Child Poverty : World Vision UK
Oxfam GB | Leading UK charity fighting global poverty
Islamic Relief UK : Ready to answer the call
Home : Save the Children UK
Tearfund
CARE International UK - Defending Dignity, Fighting Poverty
Home Page | Merlin
NSPCA - CONFRONTING CRUELTY
WaterAid - water and sanitation for all - UK site
MissionFish - The way to fundraise on eBay

so take your pick and relax.

post again dude
 

..,dude, chill out with double post* of the same thing.

crappy firefox crashed, so it repeated.

There are two old sayings that everyone should know.
1. Put the money where your mouth is.
2. A preacher must practice what he preached.

Whoever preached all this
>>Give money to Haiti, not Japan.
>>Japan is the world's third richest country. I don't mean to sound heartless
>>because I'm sorry for the tragedy. But my charity will be going elsewhere to
>>people who needed it before the Earthquake (as it always does).
needs to prove that he had donated money to Haitian quake victims before he could advise other people what to do with their money.
To prove it, please attach an un-doctored copy of a dated receipt, credit card bill to the reply.
I said "un-doctored" but please white-out personal info on the receipt/credit card/check.

give no matter what
 

I think every single person able and willing to give should donate to any country and people, no matter how rich or poor that country or the people may be. Life is short. I rather give my money and know that I tried helping even if people don't get much help out of my $1 buck or $10.

i would rep u if this website would let me.

i completely agree and i think the same :vsign:.

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A Charitable Rush, With Little DirectionBy STEPHANIE STROM
NYT
Published: March 15, 2011

Disasters, particularly those epic enough to earn round-the-clock news coverage, are a fast way to get donors to open their wallets. So it was no surprise when nonprofit groups, starting with the American Red Cross and moving down to small charities, scrambled to raise money to help the victims of the Japanese earthquake and tsunami.

..,The Japanese Red Cross, for example, has said repeatedly since the day after the earthquake that it does not want or need outside assistance.

Holden Karnofsky, a founder of GiveWell, a Web site that researches charities, said he was struck by how quickly many nonprofit groups had moved to create ads using keywords like “Japan,” “earthquake,” “disaster,” and “help” to improve the chances of their ads showing up on Google when the words were used in search queries.

“Charities are aggressively soliciting donations around this disaster, and I don’t believe these donations necessarily are going to be used for relief or recovery in Japan because they aren’t needed for that,” Mr. Karnofsky said. “The Japanese government has made it clear it has the resources it needs for this disaster.”

Japan cannot buy support from the American or British Red Cross, they need people to donate to them, so they can raise the money to send more bodies over.

If the money was going directly into Bank of Japan or government of Japan's back pocket, then I see your point, but it doesn't it goes to the charities which can then get the bodies and supplies to help on a practical level.

^that info may be true....but it's hard to sit around and just watch news about what happen. I am sure the Japanese government is able and capable of helping its own people without help..but there are people in this world who have good attentions and want to donate even if Japan says it does not need help.

From Japanese Red Cross:

JAPANESE RED CROSS SOCIETY｜Japan／Earthquake　Donation

We heartily appreciate your kind offer of donation.

If you want to donate money to the affected population of earthquake and tsunami, please contact your national Red Cross/Crescent society, which may have already launched fundraising campaign within your country.

If your national society doesn’t collect donation or you wish to send your donations directly to the Japanese Red Cross Society, please direct your fund to the following bank account. If you need the receipt of your fund, please state so clearly in the comment section of the bank transfer order. All the fund received under this account will be transferred to the Distribution Committee, which is formed around the local government of the disaster-affected prefecture and to be distributed directly among the affected population of earthquake and tsunami,

　Name of Bank: Sumitomo Mitsui Banking Corporation
　Name of Branch: Ginza
　Account No.: 8047670 (Ordinary Account)
　SWIFT Code: SMBC JP JT
　Payee Name: The Japanese Red Cross Society
　Payee Address: 1-1-3 Shiba-Daimon Minato-ku, Tokyo JAPAN

Thank you once again for your generous offer. It is surely the source of encouragement for the affected population in Japan.

Fluffy, if you are going to cherry pick paragraphs from articles, at least post a link so people can get more of the story.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/16/wo...16charity.html

Roger K. Lowe, a spokesman for the American Red Cross, said his group had sent $10 million to Japan on Tuesday, and had spoken with the Japanese group, which had expressed gratitude for the support.

He also shared a note sent by the Red Cross’s international governing body in Switzerland, a missive that was sent out to the American and other national Red Cross organizations and read in part: “At present, the Japanese society is not launching a national or international appeal, but expressions of solidarity in the form of unearmarked financial contributions would be gratefully received.”

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Again MMM, you just 'cherry picked' a quote from ARC spokesperson Roger K. Lowe?
People here can find NYT by themselves without a link since its dated Mar 15, 2011 (yesterday)
not hard to find, dude?
The NYT article clearly shows that ARC will be making a lot of money off of the Japanese Earthquake relief.

What part of the NYT article that these quotes came from is cherry picking?

"Holden Karnofsky, a founder of GiveWell, a Web site that researches charities, said he was struck by how quickly many nonprofit groups had moved to create ads using keywords like “Japan,” “earthquake,” “disaster,” and “help” to improve the chances of their ads showing up on Google when the words were used in search queries."

“Charities are aggressively soliciting donations around this disaster, and I don’t believe these donations necessarily are going to be used for relief or recovery in Japan because they aren’t needed for that,” Mr. Karnofsky said. “The Japanese government has made it clear it has the resources it needs for this disaster.”