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termogard 03-18-2011 10:33 AM

determination
 
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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 857434)
You really seemed determined to try and make out what has happened here is worse than it is. The events in Fukushima are nothing like what occurred at Chernobyl. Not even close. Siokan makes some excellent points which you just completely ignore on your little crusade.
Firstly the Chernobyl reactor blew when it was running near full power. It had not shut down and had control rods inserted into the core to greatly reduce the nuclear reactions. The core was completely and utterly exposed and radioactive material was blasted many km's up into the atmosphere which meant this material was spread a long way from the reactor. None of these things have occurred at the Fukushima reactors.

Yes, I read about and saw many documentaries. The fuel was not only blasted up to the atmosphere. A large part of molten radioative fuel leaked through the bottom of reactor to besements of the Block due to very high temperature.

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 857434)
The amounts of radiactivity that's been released is many orders of magnitude less than Chernobyl. There has been no massive explosion totally breaching the core vessels. Radioactive materials have barely gone up 500m into the atmosphere meaning the dispersal of radioactive material is minimal and poses no real threat beyond the immediate area around the reactors. Certainly absolutely impossible to pose any threat to any other country. Is it at all possible you can keep a little perspective on what has actually occurred?

There has been no massive explosion of core at Fukushima Daiichi NP, right, but damaged reactors still "infects" atmosphere and nearby environment by radioactive vapor and hot gases. How long It will take place? How many days or even months? Can you imagine or, say, calculate an overall damage to environment of radioactivity to be released?
That's why I compare Chernobyl disaster to recent one. Two or three relatively "small" explosions and a long-standing process of radioactive contamination of atmosphere and nearby territories. I compare not by mechanism of explosions of cores but mostly by consequenses of radioactive contamination.

GoNative 03-18-2011 12:17 PM

There has already been damage to the environment in the immediate area that will be long lasting. I doubt very much that anyone who lived within 10km of the reactors will be going back to their homes in the forseeable future. I doubt anyone within 20km would even want to go back. The point is because there hasn't been a massive explosion of the likes of Chernobyl means any radioactive material ejected into the atmosphere is not going up high enough to be able to travel that far. Which is why there is very little chance anyone in places like Tokyo will have hardly any increase in radiation at all. Certainly utterly impossible for any other countries be affected in any harmful way.

termogard 03-18-2011 12:23 PM

very little chance
 
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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 857544)
Which is why there is very little chance anyone in places like Tokyo will have hardly any increase in radiation at all. Certainly utterly impossible for any other countries be affected in any harmful way.

Okay, time will show.

siokan 03-18-2011 02:37 PM

for termogard



For other people(Japanese)
http://twitter.com/hayano
http://twitter.com/team_nakagawa

termogard 03-18-2011 09:49 PM

vidoe
 
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What does it mean?

termogard 03-19-2011 04:32 AM

look and compare
 
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Originally Posted by siokan (Post 857564)
for termogard

Seems, you keep comparing recent situation at Fukushima Dai-ichi NRR to incident at 3 Mile Island occured in the USA.
Could you find a photo of similar damage to reactor Block of 3 Mile Island Nuclear Power Station ?
Images below demostrate a devastation at Chernobyl NPS and Fukushima Dai-ichi NPP.

tokusatsufan 03-19-2011 11:01 AM

I don't know what to make of that Nuclear Boy thing. On one hand,it stops kids worrying,on the other hand isn't it kind of patronising?

Celte 03-19-2011 11:15 AM

24 times more nuclear fuel at Fukushima than Chernobyl

siokan 03-19-2011 12:09 PM

Because the clarification is troublesome, it is this and the end.
Exception when you enter information that is more excellent than Prof. Hayano.
http://twitter.com/hayano
(University of Tokyo, physics chairman)

Plants and buildings with which the outside is covered are built breakable.
Especially, the upper part breaks first, and becomes a gun barrel that diffusion of radioactivity.
It is partially made from wooden.
The important one is a nuclear reactor and Containment building in this lower side of the inside.
The photograph is the third reactor and the fourth reactor.
The fuel bundle is pulled out from the nuclear reactor nine months ago, and there is a fuel in the cooling pool.

Easy comparison of Chernobyl and Fukushima-3 Mile.
Chernobyl 64km point 4000m sV/h 180km point 900m sV/h
Fukushima-3 Mile 30km+point 1m sV/h
400 times radiation it when Chernobyl is compared with Hiroshima(Atomic bomb).

Chernobyl drives recklessly while doing nuclear fission, and explodes.
Fukushima-3 Mile reacts the chemistry by the nuclear fission suspension and water, becomes hydrogen, and explodes.

There was no "Containment building" that prevented the radioactive substance in Chernobyl.

GoNative 03-19-2011 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Celte (Post 857768)

Wow that blog looks incredibly credible....damn it amazes me where some of you choose to get your information! No wonder you're so misinformed!!

Celte 03-19-2011 01:35 PM

I don't get why you are being so agressive. And you're probably safe in Hokkaido.

GoNative 03-19-2011 01:46 PM

Because information is not just information. This is one of the big issues with information from the internet. Because anyone, anywhere can publish anything they want with absolutely no oversight of the veracity of their claims then one of the great challenges these days is to be able to discern if you are being told the truth or anything close to it. If it's from some of the most respected news outlets in the world like for instance the BBC then you at least have some measure of assurance that they are going to try and verify the information they release is correct. If on the other hand you watch Fox news or if in the UK you read the The Sun you can be pretty sure that what you hear and read is mostly crap. If you search some obscure internet blogs where the people writing are basically anonymous and you have no clear indication of their credentials or how exactly they get their information then there is little if anything they write that you could trust. It is especially hard to find anything remotely accurate about science from most internet blogs. Half the degrees these people have are from some obscure right wing, fundamentalist Christian university in the deep south of the US. For $500 you can get a doctorate to put in front of your name as well! It's one of the reasons there is so much misinformation about things like global warming and also why there is so much misinformation about what is occurring in Japan.

I'm agressive because there's a little group of people like you who have only recently started posting on this forum and purely in response to the crisis here. You know nothing about Japan. You know nothing about the situation here besides what information you choose to gleam from here and there. And your previous link shows the calibre of sites you are choosing to get informaiton from. I don't know what it is but people like you are suddenly coming out of the woodwork on this forum and I for one am not appreaciative of your naive insights and attempts at creating more fear in this country. That's why I'm agressive.

Celte 03-19-2011 01:58 PM

Come on, does situation create panic or people who relate about the situation ? It's the same old story about killing the messenger.

But you tell me it's useless so i'll stop.

GoNative 03-19-2011 02:09 PM

So all information on the internet or from the media is equal? None of us need worry about being discerning at all about the informaiton we read, hear or see? Some conspiracy nut posting from the US is just as trustworthy as say the Chief Scientific Advisor to the UK? Interesting way of looking at things. But you're just the messenger and you can't be held accountable in anyway can you? :rolleyes:

Anyway thanks for stopping. I'm sure you can find plenty of other forums in which you can spread your message with plenty of people who agree with anything you choose to post.

Ryzorian 03-20-2011 03:59 AM

Radioactive food is easier to eat in the dark...cause it glows, plus you can utilize the four food groups based on what color it glows.

termogard 03-20-2011 05:17 AM

food
 
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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 857940)
Radioactive food is easier to eat in the dark...cause it glows, plus you can utilize the four food groups based on what color it glows.

An angry and bad joke....

Ryzorian 03-20-2011 06:27 PM

It's not angery, it's sarcastic. Nor is it bad, it's pointing out how nutso everyone is makeing this out to be. Hello? we tested dozens of actual nuclear weapons after ww2...massive fall out and everything. Yet here we are 60 years later with no ill effects to speak of. No 50 foot tall spiders, hoards of rampageing rabbits, "minus the ones in Australia" no kids with three heads.

cameraman 03-22-2011 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 857544)
The point is because there hasn't been a massive explosion of the likes of Chernobyl means any radioactive material ejected into the atmosphere is not going up high enough to be able to travel that far.

In the French newspaper Figaro, you can see the spread of the radioactive cloud. ( Le panache radioactif japonais modélisé par les scientifiques )

The german newspaper FAZ wrote:

Specially dangerous is Jod-131. In the water and food with are produced in the region of Fukushima, you will find contamination specially in milk and spinach, with are this high that it will be forbidden in Europe to sell them. Expert expect, that the contamination will be nearly gone after some weeks.
Also the see is heavily contaminated ( FAZ: „Äußerst angespannte Lage“)

But in the 60tees the radioactive contamination on earth in the follow of atomic bomb testing should have been higher than in the follow of Fukushima, says Jacques Repussard, director of the Institut de radioprotection et de sûreté nucléaire the Figaro .

In long-term it is Cäsium-137 with have radioactive half-life of 30 years, with is enriched in the muscels. ( FAZ ) It should be not exactly clear how dangerous it , says the FAZ, but I would not eat contaminated food. In Germany there are in the follow of Chernobyl again some food that is contaminated.

myk 04-19-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 857791)
Because information is not just information. This is one of the big issues with information from the internet. Because anyone, anywhere can publish anything they want with absolutely no oversight of the veracity of their claims then one of the great challenges these days is to be able to discern if you are being told the truth or anything close to it. If it's from some of the most respected news outlets in the world like for instance the BBC then you at least have some measure of assurance that they are going to try and verify the information they release is correct. If on the other hand you watch Fox news or if in the UK you read the The Sun you can be pretty sure that what you hear and read is mostly crap. If you search some obscure internet blogs where the people writing are basically anonymous and you have no clear indication of their credentials or how exactly they get their information then there is little if anything they write that you could trust. It is especially hard to find anything remotely accurate about science from most internet blogs. Half the degrees these people have are from some obscure right wing, fundamentalist Christian university in the deep south of the US. For $500 you can get a doctorate to put in front of your name as well! It's one of the reasons there is so much misinformation about things like global warming and also why there is so much misinformation about what is occurring in Japan.

I'm agressive because there's a little group of people like you who have only recently started posting on this forum and purely in response to the crisis here. You know nothing about Japan. You know nothing about the situation here besides what information you choose to gleam from here and there. And your previous link shows the calibre of sites you are choosing to get informaiton from. I don't know what it is but people like you are suddenly coming out of the woodwork on this forum and I for one am not appreaciative of your naive insights and attempts at creating more fear in this country. That's why I'm agressive.

i'm with ya on this one. the more i read the less i find out. and now the only thing i know for sure is that i can't believe anything. it so happens that i'm one of those who registered on this forum to find out the validity of some of the stuff i'm hearing about the situation over there. in the end i was foolish to come to a message board for credible information. after all, as you say, this is the internet.


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