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BobbyCooper 04-07-2011 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 860715)
Stop hating and start accepting??? I accept you're a fool. Is that ok? I couldn't care less about you really so emotions as strong as hate really don't come into it. ;)

Well done finally! Hope the others will get it too.

with replying like that you just proved my point which I thought was going on here, thanks!

protheus 04-07-2011 01:33 PM

He already said clearly in his post that he ignores any advice given, which doesn't comply with his own opinion about things. So, why bother?

RealJames 04-07-2011 01:54 PM

I wonder if ignoring others' advice is a part of him that he thinks mirrors asians, since he said he feels asian inside?
Or spitting in a lending hand...
Or mocking the voice of experience...

I do wonder...

RickOShay 04-07-2011 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by protheus (Post 860718)
He already said clearly in his post that he ignores any advice given, which doesn't comply with his own opinion about things. So, why bother?

I concur. Let the baby have his bottle and choke on it. Some people only know how to learn the hard way. ;)

mousee09 04-07-2011 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyCooper (Post 860711)
Just read my post more carefully, cause I mentioned about a thousand times that I went to South-East Asia, wich inlcudes like you might know several Asian countrys.. like for example, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam, Cambodia and Indonesia..

stop hating, start accepting for once!

how long did you stay in the countries? im hoping it longer then just a few weeks or months because you cant truly understand a whole culture in a few months.

JamboP26 04-07-2011 03:28 PM

Final point from me, BobbyCooper. If you go on like you are on here in real life, its no wonder you feel you dont fit in western society. Western society doesnt tolerate much of this bulls**t. Also, your right in that I know nothing of your personality, but I do know you could've made this easier for yourself by not being so uptight about your thoughts. Have to commend everyone on here for tolerating you this long. Tschus

Lien 04-07-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 860570)
Whoa 1000 euro to fly to Canada? From Belgium?

The 1000 i was talking about doesn't include hotel. There are many ways to travel Japan, hotel doesn't have to be expensive. If your party has more than 2 people it will be even cheaper... most major cities have nice cheap business hotel that goes for around 50-80 per person per night, some hotel can do it for less than 40 if you are traveling with a group of 2 or more

There are, of course, big expensive hotels, and even then they are not bad, I stayed at the Royal Park Plaza (Yokohama, landmark tower) for about 110 per person per night, also the Hotel Nikko Odaiba, about 150 per person pernight... even onsen resort can be cheap...

Food same idea, ramen runs you about 6-14 dollars, there are better and pricier food of course

The one killer will be local transportation.....

Yeah 1000 euros for a flight to Canada and back, 800 if I'm lucky.
If I ever go there I might even just go couchsurfing :p That's way cheaper :)

StonerPenguin 04-07-2011 05:54 PM

@ JamboP26
And I have to commend you too. Like I said in a previous post, you were a lot more mature about this than BobbyCooper was. Shad0w made fun of you too yet you didn't let it bother you. If BobbyCooper could've followed your good example we would've been spared a bunch of BS but whatever, his stupidity is actually entertaining :D

@ mousee09
Just ignore him. Don't give 'em another opportunity to make this discussion all about him. He just wants have his ego orgasm and jizz his opinion on everyone. He doesn't want to hear other people's opinions, which is really bullshit considering he didn't start this thread and this ain't his blog. He deems all other opinions "stupid" even though other users (like myself) really want to hear what the users who've been to Japan (Like RickOShay, RealJames and GoNative) have to say. But BC is such a selfish, inconsiderate crybaby douche that this thought never occurs to him. I mean, in a thread about what people expect to find in Japan, users elaborating on what they found in Japan is on-topic and a good addition to the discussion. But not to BC apparently. He's proven himself thoroughly incapable of a mature discussion. It's best to follow the wisdom of ED on this one...
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If you happen to see a Wap on the prowl, make no attempt to engage it in conversation, you will hear great amounts of bullshittery that you cannot help but mercilessly rip the bastard apart. But instead, curse it in silence, for it is the bane of American youth. Well, next to another "subculture" you're hopefully not aware of, which more than deserves the same treatment. But that's another story.
I mean, how many times are we gonna let this cycle of
1.) kind user tells BC
"Listen, it seems like you're setting yourself up for a major disappointment. I've been living in Japan for X amount of years and I'm here to tell you, you won't know what Japan is like until you actually come and live here. Not all Japanese people are the same/perfect, there are negative aspects of Japanese society too. Don't set your expectations so unrealistically high based on a limited experience."

Which BC apparently reads as (because he's a drama queen -possibly with schizophrenia-)
"Japanese people are crazy racist-- flawed to the core. You will be miserable there, life will be a living hell for you. You should stay in the west as it's where you belong. If you can't integrate into Western society, then you might as well kill yourself now. Nobody loves you."

2.) BC types tl:dr BAAAAAAW about how we don't know him (or anything about Asians or Japan for that matter despite many users actually living there at the moment). He treats every comment in which a user shares their insight on living in Japan as a personal attack on him and his beliefs. He repeatedly calls other users stupid for sharing their opinion and antagonizes them.

3.) User points out the fallacies in BC's logic and attempts to reason with him.
4.) BC confirms himself to be a bigger ignorant douche than previously suspected.
5.) Rinse. 6.) Repeat.
continue?

BobbyCooper 04-07-2011 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 860752)
Final point from me, BobbyCooper. If you go on like you are on here in real life, its no wonder you feel you dont fit in western society. Western society doesnt tolerate much of this bulls**t. Also, your right in that I know nothing of your personality, but I do know you could've made this easier for yourself by not being so uptight about your thoughts. Have to commend everyone on here for tolerating you this long. Tschus

don't judge people you do not know!

also, this is a Forum right? Online right?? Tell me when I should start to care..

RobinMask 04-07-2011 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbyCooper (Post 860785)
don't judge people you do not know!

also, this is a Forum right? Online right?? Tell me when I should start to care..

You've made your point. Why not prove you're an adult and stop constantly trying to get the last word, you've said your piece, it's done, over, caput . . . let's get back on-topic, shall we? If you don't care then stop responding to everyone :P

JohnBraden 04-07-2011 09:57 PM

I will find:

1. Many good munchies
2. Another baseball cap (Hanshin Tigers this time)
3. Good shinkansen photos
4. Lacquerware
5. Some anime products
6. Good food

etc. etc. etc.

BobbyCooper 04-07-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 860786)
You've made your point. Why not prove you're an adult and stop constantly trying to get the last word, you've said your piece, it's done, over, caput . . . let's get back on-topic, shall we? If you don't care then stop responding to everyone :P

I think I did stop, didn't I? Or can you see a serious reply out of my last words..

kenmei 04-07-2011 10:32 PM

GUYS I USED TO PLAY LITTLE LEAGUE BASEBALL FOR 8 YEARS, IM PRETTY MUCH A PROFESSIONAL BALL PLAYER ..........................on the inside :D

tokusatsufan 04-07-2011 10:40 PM

Yeah,the baseball thing is an aspect I don't like...I'm not into sport really. I am the same with football.

I did learn that they have a rugby team the other day,which is good. I wouldn't mind playing rugby. I can't watch it if Wales are playing because they lose for some reason.

Umihito 04-07-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 860701)
again, enough hijacking this thread, PM me or start a new thread if you want to discuss further.

I started a thread about this topic a while back.
Here's the link if needed. :)

http://www.japanforum.com/forum/gene...migration.html

GoNative 04-08-2011 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by tokusatsufan (Post 860790)
Yeah,the baseball thing is an aspect I don't like...I'm not into sport really. I am the same with football.

I did learn that they have a rugby team the other day,which is good. I wouldn't mind playing rugby. I can't watch it if Wales are playing because they lose for some reason.

Japan will be hosting the Rugby World Cup in 2019 which is pretty exciting. I went down to Tokyo last year to see Australia play NZ. The stadium was pretty much at capacity. The Japanese do like their Rugby!
I actually played rugby for Iwanai for a couple of years but am getting a bit old now. I get injured way too easily these days!

tenmins 04-08-2011 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 860277)
For those who say they wish to go or live in japan, what do you think you will find there?

If you're coming from an English speaking country, you will find a challenging new way of thinking about life. Some of it shocking, some of it sublime but all of it eye-opening.

JuanOne 04-08-2011 09:46 AM

Quick question for people living/having lived in Japan, do you dream/think in japanese ? When did you start dreaming/thinking in japanese, how long did it take ? How does it feel, weird or good ?

It happens to everybody in english, I'm just wondering what's the deal with japanese because it's a very complicated language

WingsToDiscovery 04-08-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JuanOne (Post 860836)
Quick question for people living/having lived in Japan, do you dream/think in japanese ? When did you start dreaming/thinking in japanese, how long did it take ? How does it feel, weird or good ?

It happens to everybody in english, I'm just wondering what's the deal with japanese because it's a very complicated language

I sometimes think in Japanese, but nothing ever extremely complex, and a lot of times it's informal/short form Japanese. It's interesting/weird because I speak very good Spanish, and native in English, so sometimes I'll think something Japanese, and then throw it into Spanish, and then think about what I just said in English (basically mulling it over to make sure it was right).
Learning languages are the same no matter what you're learning, other than the reading/writing. But with speaking/listening/thinking ability, technique is relatively the same. As you progress with a language, you can continue to replace things you would think/say with that language, and it comes easier than you'd think.

godwine 04-08-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JuanOne (Post 860836)
Quick question for people living/having lived in Japan, do you dream/think in japanese ? When did you start dreaming/thinking in japanese, how long did it take ? How does it feel, weird or good ?

It happens to everybody in english, I'm just wondering what's the deal with japanese because it's a very complicated language

Thats crazy talk man. Most dream has a theme, the use of language depends on the theme, I spoke alien once in my dream, but does that mean i use it daily in real life? Though I know the meaning and was able to communicate with the "species" in that dream. Thats because we don't need any language skills in a dream, we think we are communicating in a special form, but deep inside our brain, we already have a set interpretation... actual ability to speak or understand is not required in MOST cases.... If you dream of a real life situation, and it involve people speaking a language that you truly speak/understand in real life, then yes, the dialogue will be in that particular language...

And no, it doesn't happen to everybody in English. I happen to dream in Chinese... because, thats what I am...

WingsToDiscovery 04-08-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 860842)
Thats crazy talk man. Most dream has a theme, the use of language depends on the theme, I spoke alien once in my dream, but does that mean i use it daily in real life? Though I know the meaning and was able to communicate with the "species" in that dream. Thats because we don't need any language skills in a dream, we think we are communicating in a special form, but deep inside our brain, we already have a set interpretation... actual ability to speak or understand is not required in MOST cases.... If you dream of a real life situation, and it involve people speaking a language that you truly speak/understand in real life, then yes, the dialogue will be in that particular language...

And no, it doesn't happen to everybody in English. I happen to dream in Chinese... because, thats what I am...

That's not what the poster asked at all. That form of comprehension is a totally different subject.

JuanOne 04-08-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 860843)
That's not what the poster asked at all. That form of comprehension is a totally different subject.

Thanks, this was indeed not my question. When you dream in a foreign language (mostly the one from the country you're actually living), it's something you can't control, it's subconscious

I may be wrong but Erasmus wrote about it and linked it to your brain considering that you have become a autochthon...or something like that....

RickOShay 04-08-2011 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JuanOne (Post 860836)
Quick question for people living/having lived in Japan, do you dream/think in japanese ? When did you start dreaming/thinking in japanese, how long did it take ? How does it feel, weird or good ?

It happens to everybody in english, I'm just wondering what's the deal with japanese because it's a very complicated language

I have had dreams in Japanese, usually when Japanese people are in my dream. I cannot really say when it started nor how often it happens since i hardly remember my dreams. I have been able to communicate meaningfully in the language for quite a few years now though.

tokusatsufan 04-08-2011 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 860804)
Japan will be hosting the Rugby World Cup in 2019 which is pretty exciting. I went down to Tokyo last year to see Australia play NZ. The stadium was pretty much at capacity. The Japanese do like their Rugby!
I actually played rugby for Iwanai for a couple of years but am getting a bit old now. I get injured way too easily these days!

Really? Yes! So say I wanted to just play rugby would I be able to?

Nyororin 04-08-2011 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JuanOne (Post 860836)
Quick question for people living/having lived in Japan, do you dream/think in japanese ? When did you start dreaming/thinking in japanese, how long did it take ? How does it feel, weird or good ?

It happens to everybody in english, I'm just wondering what's the deal with japanese because it's a very complicated language

Happens to everyone in English? Really? I have never actively thought "in English" - even when it was my only language. The only time I think using words is if I am composing something beforehand in my head. For example, thinking of a way to word something delicate or the like. I can`t say I assign any language to normal thoughts as they don`t happen in words. (Can`t say I think *visually* either though - that is the same sort of deal as verbal. Unless I need to think of an image, I don`t visualize one in my head.)
It seems like it would be terribly inefficient to actual think in words...

For thinking, it is the same in Japanese. Unless I am thinking of a specific way to carefully word something, I don`t think in words.
I also don`t remember things in words - just the info. If asked to recall something later, I can rarely remember what language I read or heard it in. This sucks when I want to show an article or something to someone - I have to try and trace my steps to figure out what language it was in... And sometimes I end up finding that I was wrong about the language I guessed I had read it in so I can`t show it to the person in the end anyway.

As for dreams - it is really random. Some will be in English, some will be in Japanese, and some will be no language at all. Dreams featuring my family in Japan will almost always be in Japanese or language-less (I can`t recall any that were in English), but about people I know outside Japan or English speakers in Japan... It`s a mixed bag. Sometimes in English, sometimes in Japanese, sometimes neither or both. I often remember these as I will notice mid dream with a bit of shock - that person should NOT be speaking Japanese. I should not be speaking to people in Japanese if this is a dream taking place in my childhood, etc.

I don`t remember when this started. It doesn`t really "feel" like anything - just like speaking in Japanese doesn`t feel like anything... Other than "communication", I suppose. The language isn`t more complex than English, so I don`t see how that would make any difference.

JohnBraden 04-08-2011 11:49 AM

If I dream about Spain, I dream in Spanish.
If I dream about Japan, I dream in no language
If I dream about the States, I dream in English.

godwine 04-08-2011 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 860843)
That's not what the poster asked at all. That form of comprehension is a totally different subject.

No, but what i was saying is that, you don't dream in a specific language because you live in a specific country. There is no relation between the 2.

JuanOne 04-08-2011 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by godwine (Post 860855)
No, but what i was saying is that, you don't dream in a specific language because you live in a specific country. There is no relation between the 2.

Some people don't agree :

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To quote from personal experience: Whenever I spent even a short time in a
foreign European country, I found myself rapidly dreaming in the language (a
language which I had studied before), or in the local dialect (in Berlin I
would have Berlin dialect in my dreams). In Japan, it took me a long time to
start dreaming in Japanese. I had learnt Japanese for about two years before
I came to Japan, and it took more than six months before I could remember
dreaming in Japanese (i.e. perceiving Japanese language in my dreams). I
think that this long period does not only reflect my struggle with the
language, but also my struggle with the environment, which I believe is
partly due to the general attitude towards foreigners in this society
From :
Birgit Kellner
Department for Indian Philosophy
University of Hiroshima


Still no relation between the two ?

dogsbody70 04-08-2011 02:06 PM

[quote=tokusatsufan;860790]Yeah,the baseball thing is an aspect I don't like...I'm not into sport really. I am the same with football.

QUOTE]


why worry if baseball is popular--you need not go to a match if you don't want to.

you know what your interests are so look for those aspects in japan. also be prepared to open your mind to fresh activities found in Japan.

it would be boring if everyone had identical tastes and its good to discover new things surely.

GoNative 04-08-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tokusatsufan (Post 860846)
Really? Yes! So say I wanted to just play rugby would I be able to?

Do you mean play for a living? Or just for fun on the weekend? If it's just for fun you just need to find a local team and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to give you a go. I was playing in about the 2nd lowest grade in Hokkaido. Just some guys who'd get together one night a week for practice and have competitive games about once every 2 weeks and then have a few beers afterwards. Nothing too serious but good fun.

MMM 04-08-2011 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JuanOne (Post 860844)
Thanks, this was indeed not my question. When you dream in a foreign language (mostly the one from the country you're actually living), it's something you can't control, it's subconscious

I may be wrong but Erasmus wrote about it and linked it to your brain considering that you have become a autochthon...or something like that....

I consider the point of dreaming in a foreign language you are studying a sort of hurdle, that when it is crossed means your brain has stopped fighting the language like an invading force, and has accepted it.

I started dreaming in Japanese about the time I stopped translating Japanese to English in my head.

ryuurui 04-08-2011 04:29 PM

I am really glad i dont remember my dreams. Last thing i need is to dream in Japanese.

tokusatsufan 04-08-2011 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 860889)
Do you mean play for a living? Or just for fun on the weekend? If it's just for fun you just need to find a local team and I'm sure they'd be more than happy to give you a go. I was playing in about the 2nd lowest grade in Hokkaido. Just some guys who'd get together one night a week for practice and have competitive games about once every 2 weeks and then have a few beers afterwards. Nothing too serious but good fun.

Yeah I'd only play for fun or maybe for a local team. Although say I played rugby for Wales,then I'd want to play England. Just so they could go "Traitor!" and I could go "Ahahahaha!" Maybe I could infiltrate the England team and rip off the England rugby shirt and I could have a Wales one underneath!

jhnstjas 04-13-2011 11:32 PM

ninjas robots and sushi

protheus 04-14-2011 06:56 AM

"What do you think you will find in japan?"
Japanese people, japanese buildings, japanese streets, japanese writting, japanese food and a lot more japanese related stuff. Oh, and those lovely japanese earthquakes, I need to try a few, just to see how big my eyes can be before popping out.

Lien 04-14-2011 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by protheus (Post 861336)
"What do you think you will find in japan?"
Japanese people, japanese buildings, japanese streets, japanese writting, japanese food and a lot more japanese related stuff. Oh, and those lovely japanese earthquakes, I need to try a few, just to see how big my eyes can be before popping out.

I think that's the best answer so far :p


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