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dogsbody70 05-02-2011 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 864164)
What it does show, no matter how long it takes, no matter who's president, no matter what country you hide in, the US will find you.
It took thousands of lives and ten years.

Was it worth it this late in the day?


Was he still a figure to really still influence Al Quaeda?

Kozyra 05-02-2011 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 864162)
Well considering it was in America that this happened, I cannot understand your surprise.

From that attack were spawned others and the war in IRAQ that followed.

If that man was the cause behind the attack on9/11. Where were you on that terrible day?

If there had not been that attack then we would not have been inIraq-- certainly not ostensibly to hunt Bin Laden down. I had never heard the mans name until after that event-- yet now we are stuck in the Middle east-- with too many lives taken or injured.


Bush wanted immediate revenge. Blair hung on to his coat tails-- forced us to join when many many of Us UK citizens were totally anti us invading Iraq.

My husband said that one of the reasons to bury Bin Laden in the sea was so there coud not be a memorial for him on a grave. I don't know but I am suspicious.


How many more Bin Ladens have we now to deal with?
There are a lot and a lot of Ben ladins as long as U.S. government continue to support Israel and as long as they continue to meddle in the affairs of Arabs and Muslims.
The U.S. government must change its foreign policy towards the Arabs and Muslims in full to stop this long film .

bELyVIS 05-02-2011 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Kozyra (Post 864080)
I want to mention some points:
1 - It is not a religious war, Islam and christian has nothing to do with AlQaeda , Osama killed Muslims and Christians and from all religions, it's just as the world think that an assassin has been killed finally , there is no religion Incites of indiscriminate killing, so to all members Should know that Islam has nothing to do with this.
2 - Al Qaeda will not end, the U.S. government should learn that as long as they continue to support Israel and as long as they continue to meddle in the affairs of Arabs and Muslims, al-Qaeda will continue, peace will not return to the world as long as the U.S government has gone continues to support Israel, and Israel in turn kill the Muslims in Palestine.
I hope to pass away the idea in the world that "Muslims are devils and killers" and I hope from the western societies to stop insulting Islam , as the Rev. Jones did in America.
I also hope from Muslims to understand the Qur'an correctly, and follow the Sunnah of their Prophet correctly.
Great post. There are fanatics in all religions who kill in the "Name of God".
America needs to mind it's own business and focus on domestic issues. This will end most of these problems.

Suki 05-02-2011 10:40 PM
I don't quite get it.

With all the show they put up when Saddam was captured and now they finally get a hold of Bin Laden they shoot him in the head and get rid of his body. Does this sound suspicious to anyone else? Why didn't they fly him all the way to the States, prosecute him for the murders ascribed to him and let him root in jail? Or have him killed by the authority of the United States or whatever.

After all the efforts put into finding this guy it's just weird they were so discreet about it, like not wanting to make a big deal out of it... meh I dunno, something just doesn't seem right with this whole thing.

Kozyra 05-02-2011 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 864164)
What it does show, no matter how long it takes, no matter who's president, no matter what country you hide in, the US will find you.
...............and no matter how many people will be killed from resident and Soldiers .........

siokan 05-02-2011 11:47 PM
haras>counterattack>haras>counterattack>haras>counterattack>
haras>counterattack>haras>counterattack>haras>counterattack>endless

MMM 05-02-2011 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kozyra (Post 864168)
I think that this incident can not be forgotten by any American people , it is a historic event for them, because Bin Laden was a senior leaders terrorists that caused the fear and horror of the american people throughout the era of big time , as americans think , so I think americans will not forget this incident until end of history.
There's something strange in the story, how after all these years of searching for Osama Bin Laden appears finally in a house near Islamabad , in the vicinity of a military barracks for soldiers Pakistanis?
- How was the process in this easy ?
In addition, there is a strange thing in throwing his body into the sea.
they threw his body in the sea as if they threw a garbage bag from a car !
You said you believed the timing of this operation was politically motivated by Pres. Obama. If that were actually true, it makes much more sense to reveal the news in the weeks before the election, not 18 months in advance.

The information about his location came from a prisoner at Gitmo.

He was buried at sea as it appears no country wanted him, and this way there would not be a shrine built at his burial place.

Ronin4hire 05-03-2011 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864190)

He was buried at sea as it appears no country wanted him, and this way there would not be a shrine built at his burial place.
Roll on the conspiracy theories... who knows.. it's still early days.. I might even believe some of them.

MMM 05-03-2011 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 864192)
Roll on the conspiracy theories... who knows.. it's still early days.. I might even believe some of them.
It is not a conspiracy theory. That is what the White House told reporters.

Kozyra 05-03-2011 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864190)
You said you believed the timing of this operation was politically motivated by Pres. Obama. If that were actually true, it makes much more sense to reveal the news in the weeks before the election, not 18 months in advance.

The information about his location came from a prisoner at Gitmo.

He was buried at sea as it appears no country wanted him, and this way there would not be a shrine built at his burial place.
So it becomes very easy to say that bin Laden had been killed before, and Obama wants to win the votes of the masses.
It's not that easy, Obama should take the timing so as not to raise suspicions.
Frankly, I have no Practical proof , but it just a sense, because there is a lot of mystery in the story, and the idea that americans buried Ben ladin in the sea because no country wanted him did not convince me .

Ronin4hire 05-03-2011 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864195)
It is not a conspiracy theory. That is what the White House told reporters.
No I mean the potential theory that he wasn't really killed.. and that this is all a setup.

JohnBraden 05-03-2011 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864179)
meh I dunno, something just doesn't seem right with this whole thing.
That's because he's deep in the bowels of the D Ring at the Pentagon, eating the heck out of Twinkies. They rescued him so he can inform on his comrades. I mean, no one looks for someone who's already dead, right?

That's my contribution to the conspiracy theorists.... And if you believe that, I got this doozy about Real Madrid beating Barcelona tomorrow in the Camp Nou 7-2.... yeah..... 7-2.....

Hopefully tomorrow most people will go back to talking about how similar Chernobyl and Fukushima are. (i.e. 'normality')

Kozyra 05-03-2011 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 864197)
No I mean the potential theory that he wasn't really killed.. and that this is all a setup.
No man ..
America is not stupid!!
Easily bin Laden appear on T.V and cast some words and discloses what the Americans did!
Edit : I think you mean: Is there actually a person named bin Laden? Or it's just someone who works in the CIA?

Ryzorian 05-03-2011 12:44 AM
Yes Kozyra, No matter how many. The US, when motivated, won't ever stop until it succeeds. Reguardless of how many it has to go through to do so. Even if it has to kill over 600,000 of it's own people to succeed, it will.

Afterall, what would you expect from a country founded by relgious fanatics, renagades, criminals and rogues? It's who we are. The Barbary Pirates found this out back in 1815.

Ronin4hire 05-03-2011 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 864201)
Yes Kozyra, No matter how many. The US, when motivated, won't ever stop until it succeeds. Reguardless of how many it has to go through to do so. Even if it has to kill over 600,000 of it's own people to succeed, it will.

Afterall, what would you expect from a country founded by relgious fanatics, renagades, criminals and rogues? It's who we are. The Barbary Pirates found this out back in 1815.
lol.. you forgot slaves.

But whatever.. you're talking crap again.

MMM 05-03-2011 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Kozyra (Post 864196)
So it becomes very easy to say that bin Laden had been killed before, and Obama wants to win the votes of the masses.
It's not that easy, Obama should take the timing so as not to raise suspicions.
Frankly, I have no Practical proof , but it just a sense, because there is a lot of mystery in the story, and the idea that americans buried Ben ladin in the sea because no country wanted him did not convince me .
Now you are contradicting yourself. You think the news was released today for political gain, but timed so that any political gain will be expired by the time the next election happens in 18 months, as to not raise suspicions? So in the end the gain is minimal... so why did he do it now again?

evanny 05-03-2011 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnBraden (Post 864198)

Hopefully tomorrow most people will go back to talking about how similar Chernobyl and Fukushima are. (i.e. 'normality')
don't get your hopes up. media could be milking this even longer than they did with Michael Jackson.

Suki 05-03-2011 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864190)
He was buried at sea as it appears no country wanted him, and this way there would not be a shrine built at his burial place.
I don't know if that's true because I'm not the least bit familiar with the Islamic ways but someone told me that Muslims are always buried underground and it's like a sacrilege for them to be buried elsewhere, so it's kind of odd that his corpse was thrown in the ocean.

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Originally Posted by JohnBraden
That's because he's deep in the bowels of the D Ring at the Pentagon, eating the heck out of Twinkies. They rescued him so he can inform on his comrades. I mean, no one looks for someone who's already dead, right?
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Originally Posted by JohnBraden
That's my contribution to the conspiracy theorists.... And if you believe that, I got this doozy about Real Madrid beating Barcelona tomorrow in the Camp Nou 7-2.... yeah..... 7-2.....
Awww having a tough time accepting defeat, aren't you? :mtongue:

MMM 05-03-2011 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864266)
I don't know if that's true because I'm not the least bit familiar with the Islamic ways but someone told me that Muslims are always buried underground and it's like a sacrilege for them to be buried elsewhere, so it's kind of odd that his corpse was thrown in the ocean.
American Islamic leaders nod sea burial, while CIA, DoD give details | AHN

I think burials at sea are pretty rare, no matter what one's religious background. However his body was not simply "thrown in the ocean" but followed strict Islamic traditions for such a ceremony, including burial withing 24 hours of death.

Earlier U.S. officials stressed that the sea burial followed Islamic custom. Appearing at a White House briefing, John O. Brennan, Presidential top counter terrorism adviser said, “The disposal of — the burial of bin Laden's remains was done in strict conformance with Islamic precepts and practices," adding, “It was prepared in accordance with the Islamic requirements.”

“We early on made provisions for that type of burial, and we wanted to make sure that it was going to be done, again, in strict conformance. So it was taken care of in the appropriate way," Brennan said.

Earlier at a briefing at the Pentagon, a Senior Defense Official explained the justification saying, “The justification for burial at sea is when there is no land alternative. And as -- according to Islamic teachings and practice, deceased must be buried with proper procedures within 24 hours. And that was the basis for that decision.”

The official added, “There was no available alternative in terms of a country that was willing to accept the body, and we took pains to ensure that we were compliant with Muslim tradition and law, and sought to dispose of the body, using the appropriate procedures and rituals, within 24 hours.”

JohnBraden 05-03-2011 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864266)
I don't know if that's true because I'm not the least bit familiar with the Islamic ways but someone told me that Muslims are always buried underground and it's like a sacrilege for them to be buried elsewhere, so it's kind of odd that his corpse was thrown in the ocean.



Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.



Awww having a tough time accepting defeat, aren't you? :mtongue:
Right after Wednesday's game, I took the subway to head to my class in downtown Chicago and I heard 3 Madrileños talking about the game and how the team is going to do better next game (today). I didn't have the heart to get in on the conversation, even though I love to freak out Spaniards (I look American). All I could do was say, "buena suerte el mártes" as I was getting off the train. They were so shocked, they couldn't utter a word....

Nah, Suki, I know when to admit defeat...

Ashura 05-03-2011 07:21 PM
I gotta applaud the Navy SEALs for a job well-done. It took a little longer than expected, but justice doesn't happen overnight a lot of times. I'm glad to see he got his just desserts

Suki 05-03-2011 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864289)
American Islamic leaders nod sea burial, while CIA, DoD give details | AHN

I think burials at sea are pretty rare, no matter what one's religious background. However his body was not simply "thrown in the ocean" but followed strict Islamic traditions for such a ceremony, including burial withing 24 hours of death.

Earlier U.S. officials stressed that the sea burial followed Islamic custom. Appearing at a White House briefing, John O. Brennan, Presidential top counter terrorism adviser said, “The disposal of — the burial of bin Laden's remains was done in strict conformance with Islamic precepts and practices," adding, “It was prepared in accordance with the Islamic requirements.”

“We early on made provisions for that type of burial, and we wanted to make sure that it was going to be done, again, in strict conformance. So it was taken care of in the appropriate way," Brennan said.

Earlier at a briefing at the Pentagon, a Senior Defense Official explained the justification saying, “The justification for burial at sea is when there is no land alternative. And as -- according to Islamic teachings and practice, deceased must be buried with proper procedures within 24 hours. And that was the basis for that decision.”

The official added, “There was no available alternative in terms of a country that was willing to accept the body, and we took pains to ensure that we were compliant with Muslim tradition and law, and sought to dispose of the body, using the appropriate procedures and rituals, within 24 hours.”
Oh I see. Thanks for the info.

However, it is still weird they did not take him to the United States and have him executed in US territory, after trial.

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Originally Posted by Ashura
I gotta applaud the Navy SEALs for a job well-done. It took a little longer than expected
LOL

(@John: let's take this discussion to the Football thread, when the match's over. I'm off to see the second half!)

MMM 05-03-2011 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864308)
Oh I see. Thanks for the info.

However, it is still weird they did not take him to the United States and have him executed in US territory, after trial.
A trial would likely take years, and an execution, very likely decades. The cost of security for the Most Wanted Man in America would have been millions upon millions of dollars, making him into an martyr for those of his ilk. So half the people would be trying to kill him, and half would be trying to free him.

Let's put it this way, the mission ended with him dead, and it is considered a success.

Suki 05-03-2011 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864313)
A trial would likely take years, and an execution, very likely decades.
So what? Any person charged with a criminal offense has the right to a trial by jury. He could have been convicted of crimes against humanity and been sentenced to death. "A trial would have taken years" is no excuse. Justice is a human right everyone should be granted, whatever the crime.

MMM 05-03-2011 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864315)
So what? Any person charged with a criminal offense has the right to a trial by jury. He could have been convicted of crimes against humanity and been sentenced to death. "A trial would have taken years" is no excuse. Justice is a human right everyone should be granted, whatever the crime.
I am not trying to justify it, but he was very open about his role in 9/11, and made threats to continue terrorist attacks. That goes beyond criminal behavior to active acts of war.

I do not know what happened in the moments up to bin Laden's death, but I am not hearing an outcry saying he should have been arrested rather than killed. Are you there?

It isn't dissimilar with the cremation of Hitler and the spreading of his bones to random places, so Nazis would have no shrine to their hero (if that is really what happened).

Suki 05-03-2011 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864316)
I am not trying to justify it, but he was very open about his role in 9/11, and made threats to continue terrorist attacks. That goes beyond criminal behavior to active acts of war.
Yes, I know. But still, Nazi leaders were tried and put to death after found guilty of crimes against humanity. I think this is the way to go for any person committing any crime. That's how Justice is made. By shooting someone you are just committing a murder and if someone was to put an end to Bin Laden's life it should have been a jury, not some guy with a machine gun.

I'm not saying Bin Laden did not deserve to die. I'm saying he should have been allowed a trial (from which he would have been found guilty, obviously, and most likely sentenced to death). Very different ways to go to get to the very same resolution.

MMM 05-03-2011 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864319)
Yes, I know. But still, Nazi leaders were tried and put to death after found guilty of crimes against humanity. I think this is the way to go for any person committing any crime. That's how Justice is made. By shooting someone you are just committing a murder and if someone was to put an end to Bin Laden's life it should have been a jury, not some guy with a machine gun.

I'm not saying Bin Laden did not deserve to die. I'm saying he should have been allowed a trial (from which he would have been found guilty, obviously, and most likely sentenced to death). Very different ways to go to get to the very same resolution.
Hitler was never put on trial. And those who were properly tried for war crimes were tried after the war was over and done with.

Again, we don't know what happened in that room when bin Laden was shot, so we cannot say if it justified in the moment, or not.

That being said, governments have engaged in "shoot to kill" missions all over the globe. Are these never justified? Is a clear shot at Osama bin Laden, or Hitler, or other not "suspected" but "known" war criminals not justified?

I cannot say I know the answer 100% either way, but it is an interesting topic.

ModusOperandi 05-03-2011 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864315)
So what? Any person charged with a criminal offense has the right to a trial by jury. He could have been convicted of crimes against humanity and been sentenced to death. "A trial would have taken years" is no excuse. Justice is a human right everyone should be granted, whatever the crime.
Media outlets have repeatedly been claiming that he was given a chance to surrender but resisted. So a trial in this case is impossible.

On the other hand --to your merit -- the latest news on this particular topic is that there are rumors claiming Osama was not armed at all. So you could also be right if this turns out to be true.

My 2 Cents:Morality/Social protocol aside, doesn't really matter whether or not he got a trial. His death was universally understood to be guaranteed since, at least, the Clinton years. If you ask me, I'd actually consider him lucky to have died right there and then in the field. Being captured would have probably led him to a slow and painful death (torture and interrogations).

But of course, we are yet to receive any proof of his death (Apparently they may or may not release pictures of him dead). So any and everything is speculation.

Suki 05-03-2011 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864322)
Hitler was never put on trial.
Hitler wasn't put on trial because they didn't have a chance to capture him. If the Soviets had reached the bunker he was hiding in before he shot himself dead, they may have made him prisoner and handed him over to the authorities.

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864322)
That being said, governments have engaged in "shoot to kill" missions all over the globe. Are these never justified? Is a clear shot at Osama bin Laden, or Hitler, or other not "suspected" but "known" war criminals not justified?
Do you not believe in Justice? :)

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Originally Posted by ModusOperandi
Media outlets have repeatedly been claiming that he was given a chance to surrender but resisted. So a trial in this case is impossible.

On the other hand --to your merit -- the latest news on this particular topic is that there are rumors claiming Osama was not armed at all. So you could also be right if this turns out to be true.
And even if he was armed, he could have been taken down. And I agree with you, dying a quick death is better than being held captive, and tortured and sent to jail to never come out of it again, but we're not discussing which would have been a better outcome for him but what would have been the right way to go about it, according to Justice.

ModusOperandi 05-03-2011 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864326)

And even if he was armed, he could have been taken down. And I agree with you, dying a quick death is better than being held captive, and tortured and sent to jail to never come out of it again, but we're not discussing which would have been a better outcome for him but what would have been the right way to go about it, according to Justice.
Of course a trial is the correct way to go with these things and I don't dispute that. That's why I stated "Morality/Social protocol aside..." But of course, there are shades of gray everywhere, especially with this specific case.
There aren't any tears shed on my end, I'll tell you that much, especially for an outcome as obvious as this one might have brought via trial.

MMM 05-03-2011 11:24 PM
Suki, you ask me if I believe in Justice, while ignoring my questions. You skipped the part where I said I don't know the answer 100%, but am raising the question. When an admitted mass murderer says he intends to keep killing and keep killing, and he has a 25 million dollar bounty on his head, is that the same? Or has he given up his basic human rights when he so openly and brazenly swipes not only the rights, but the lives of so many thousands?

Ryzorian 05-04-2011 12:06 AM
The Soviets would have shot Hitler in the head. Kinda the way we did with Osama. He never should have been given Muslim anything, he was a terrorist who attacked the US and killed 3,000 civilians. He should have been dumped in a carbage pit and left to rot. Better yet, place his corpse in the foundation of the new building they are building by ground zero. So his bones will support the tallest building in the US.

Suki 05-04-2011 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864332)
Suki, you ask me if I believe in Justice, while ignoring my questions.
Ok, sorry about that.

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864332)
That being said, governments have engaged in "shoot to kill" missions all over the globe. Are these never justified? Is a clear shot at Osama bin Laden, or Hitler, or other not "suspected" but "known" war criminals not justified?
Legally justified or morally justified?

I don't see the point in shoot-to-kill missions unless there's no other way to get a hold of the person they are after. If Bin Laden was fighting back then sure, it's only right to defend one's self and the shooter could claim he was only shooting cause he was being shot at. But I'm afraid this was not the case. Why do you kill someone you can put on trial and let a jury judge the evidence against him? Did President Obama say he wanted him dead rather than alive? Because if they were able to shoot him dead, they would have been able to overpower him and take him out of the country for him to be properly tried and punished according to US laws.

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864332)
When an admitted mass murderer says he intends to keep killing and keep killing, and he has a 25 million dollar bounty on his head, is that the same? Or has he given up his basic human rights when he so openly and brazenly swipes not only the rights, but the lives of so many thousands?
Yeah, I'm not arguing that! I'm saying WHY kill a criminal when you have the chance to capture him and have him tried in court?

MMM 05-04-2011 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864374)

Legally justified or morally justified?
The US is at war. Osama bin Laden was Enemy #1. I think the killing of bin Laden can be arguably legally and morally justified being in a state of war.

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864374)
I don't see the point in shoot-to-kill missions unless there's no other way to get a hold of the person they are after. If Bin Laden was fighting back then sure, it's only right to defend one's self and the shooter could claim he was only shooting cause he was being shot at. But I'm afraid this was not the case. Why do you kill someone you can put on trial and let a jury judge the evidence against him? Did President Obama say he wanted him dead rather than alive? Because if they were able to shoot him dead, they would have been able to overpower him and take him out of the country for him to be properly tried and punished according to US laws.
Again, we do not know all the details of what happened in the moments before bin Laden was shot and killed. What we do know is that he was using one of his wives as a shield, and she was shot. He was resisting arrest (which implies an arrest was attempted) and that he was not armed with a firearm.

Pres. Obama did not say he wanted him dead, rather than alive, but he wanted him dead or alive.

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Originally Posted by Suki (Post 864374)
Yeah, I'm not arguing that! I'm saying WHY kill a criminal when you have the chance to capture him and have him tried in court?
I guess my answer would be, is there a difference between a suspected criminal (innocent until proven guilty in a court of law) or a war criminal, who publicly lauds his own acts of war with pride during a time of war?

If there is no difference, then how is any death during wartime justifiable? How can any attack ever be planned or executed if no deaths can justifiably happen?

Suki 05-04-2011 06:18 PM
Alright. I really don't have much else to say other than just rephrase myself. But I think I've gotten my point across so my job here is done.

I just think Bin Laden should have been made captive and put on trial rather than killed in the act. But you are right, we do not know the reasons that brought the shooter to actually shoot him dead (even though I still believe he could have been overpowered at that point), so no point arguing further. :)

MMM 05-04-2011 08:21 PM
I am happy to see the White House has chosen not to release the photos of a bloody and maimed corpse that was formerly Osama bin Lasen. Ther would be little to be gained, and more risks to be faced if these were made public like trophies from a successful hunt.

dogsbody70 05-04-2011 09:17 PM
so there is no real proof and we get so many different versions.

Without Proof there will always be doubt.

MMM 05-04-2011 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 864408)
so there is no real proof and we get so many different versions.

Without Proof there will always be doubt.
In this day and age, there is always be doubt, besides proof or not.

And what does a photograph prove these days? There are people that believe the President of the US is a sleeper agent for Al-Quada, and that the moon generates its own light, and no man has ever walked on it. I think the conspiracy theorists are getting too much media attention these days.

Really how can anybody prove anything to anybody who doesn't want to believe something is true?

Ryzorian 05-04-2011 10:49 PM
It's is also a possibility they captured him alive. Thus the "Burial at sea" and "No photos to be released". Not that you will ever see him again if that were the case.

MMM; I want to see his dead corpse, I don't like the Idea that the government can prevent the American people from seeing what we want to see. That's what this whole war on terror was about from the start..GETTING HIM.

There won't be any more "retaliation" than what they would have done anyway, since they allready hate us as Infidals. I think they need to see the end result of picking a fight with the US.

bELyVIS 05-04-2011 11:02 PM
If I was Obama I would put his head on a stake in front of the White House. That will get him re-elected.


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