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Ronin4hire 05-02-2011 05:46 AM

Osama Bin Ladin killed.
 
Bin Laden Is Dead, President Obama Says - NYTimes.com

What will happen now?

Well Islamic fundamentalism will continue... but it's a pretty significant.. if mostly symbolic event.

evanny 05-02-2011 06:20 AM

yes. very impressive usa. only took 10 years to bring down one 60-something year old man. now to get rid of ~1000 "new bin-ladens" that have been created in these 10 years.
come on. it accomplished nothing, well maybe boost obamas ratings.

btw. sure this guy isn't another fake? i think i have seen some 3 videos where different BinLadens have been killed.

MMM 05-02-2011 06:49 AM

I wonder what this means. As an American and as a patriot, this is not big news to me. I want our troops out of Iraq and all of this. To me, this is not a point of celebration.

RickOShay 05-02-2011 08:17 AM

If at all possible I think it would have been way better if he had been captured.

I find it unsettling that people are celebrating his death. Was justice served? Probably as about as well as it could be expected to, but I think this should be a time to reflect upon what happened, and be glad that the victims families of 9-11 have some closure now, there is just something disturbing about dancing in the streets over a man's death no matter how vile he was. For me it's solemn reflection time, not drunken partying.

RealJames 05-02-2011 08:39 AM

at what cost was his death?

financially and counted in lives it's hardly a retribution...

the incessant warring could at least be kept down to a necessary level only

godwine 05-02-2011 11:24 AM

Coward laden is dead
 
Bin Laden’s death ends hunt for most wanted man but not the tensions - The Globe and Mail

While he was convincing his supporter to live in a substandard life and to die for him, he was hiding in a highly secured luxury mansion enjoying life........ kudos to the one who shot him....

tokusatsufan 05-02-2011 12:19 PM

Well I am impressed with the swift way the Americans reacted. I think they did the right thing. When it gets to that point there just is no talking. There are some people in the world that talking just doesn't work on.

Kozyra 05-02-2011 12:24 PM

I want to mention some points:
1 - It is not a religious war, Islam and christian has nothing to do with AlQaeda , Osama killed Muslims and Christians and from all religions, it's just as the world think that an assassin has been killed finally , there is no religion Incites of indiscriminate killing, so to all members Should know that Islam has nothing to do with this.
2 - Al Qaeda will not end, the U.S. government should learn that as long as they continue to support Israel and as long as they continue to meddle in the affairs of Arabs and Muslims, al-Qaeda will continue, peace will not return to the world as long as the U.S government has gone continues to support Israel, and Israel in turn kill the Muslims in Palestine.
I hope to pass away the idea in the world that "Muslims are devils and killers" and I hope from the western societies to stop insulting Islam , as the Rev. Jones did in America.
I also hope from Muslims to understand the Qur'an correctly, and follow the Sunnah of their Prophet correctly.

RobinMask 05-02-2011 12:32 PM

I have to ask, but what is the huge deal about his death?

I know what he did, and what happened, but it's just that in foriegn news his death barely made it into the news, whereas in America its not just front page, it's the entire news. I mean I haven't seen/heard anything else in the American news all day. I'm just curious why it's a huge deal? I hate to generalise, but why are the Americans taking it so personally?

I have to add I agree with RickOShay. Doesn't anyone think it's distasteful to celebrate a man's death, no matter who that man may be? It just seems somewhat twisted to me, what kind of world is it that we celebrate and party when a person dies? I'll refrain from any more US generalisations, but will say that in this day and age surely people have more intellect and morality than to laugh with glee at a man's passing. It's like we've returned to the days where we laughed at witches bein burned at the stake, or whooped with celebration when a man was hanged . . . it seems backwards.

shu 05-02-2011 12:52 PM

i think america is lying.they just doing did because obama wants reelected for president.and osama is either died awhile ago,we faked the recent news, or he still alive. but even if he is he isnt hurting anybody.

dogsbody70 05-02-2011 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 864081)
I have to ask, but what is the huge deal about his death?

I know what he did, and what happened, but it's just that in foriegn news his death barely made it into the news, whereas in America its not just front page, it's the entire news. I mean I haven't seen/heard anything else in the American news all day. I'm just curious why it's a huge deal? I hate to generalise, but why are the Americans taking it so personally?

I have to add I agree with RickOShay. Doesn't anyone think it's distasteful to celebrate a man's death, no matter who that man may be? It just seems somewhat twisted to me, what kind of world is it that we celebrate and party when a person dies? I'll refrain from any more US generalisations, but will say that in this day and age surely people have more intellect and morality than to laugh with glee at a man's passing. It's like we've returned to the days where we laughed at witches bein burned at the stake, or whooped with celebration when a man was hanged . . . it seems backwards.


UM Robin-------Osama was behind the 9/11 event--was he worried about the thousands of americans who were killed. I just resent the fact that we in Britain were dragged into Iraq and then Afghanistan because of it.

its a pity that Osama was not captured and interrogated-- rather than being killed-- If in fact he Was killed. It could well be a look alike-- after all many of them do look identical with their robes and beards.

I wonder what next war will escalate from this.

godwine 05-02-2011 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 864091)

its a pity that Osama was not captured and interrogated-- rather than being killed-- If in fact he Was killed. It could well be a look alike-- after all many of them do look identical with their robes and beards.

I question this too, i don't know how many times we've heard that he was found or killed.

Someone posted a video on you tube, saying that its a leaked pic, which i question its authenticity (warning: don't open this, may be a bit horrific for some: YouTube - OSAMA BIN LADEN - DEAD PICTURES LEAKED?! - Shot in HEAD! - GORY!)

And the notes of the killing, i head in our local news this morning that, when the special forces raided the place, they attempt to "arrest" him in peace, but he fought back, so they just shot him....

RobinMask 05-02-2011 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 864091)
UM Robin-------Osama was behind the 9/11 event--was he worried about the thousands of americans who were killed.

Yeah, I get that, and I'm not denying the fact he was a bad man. I just dislike the way the American press and public have responded to it, I don't think it warrants the attention or celebrations that it has had. I agree its news, and I think it's great closure for all those effected, and we could easily argue it's justice of sorts . . . but I don't understand how (or why) people can cheer, party, and actually celebrate his death. If anything shouldn't it be a moment of reflection, rather than for street parties and at the cost of all other news?

Edit: With that said, I do agree with you and the others that he could still easily be alive . . . my very first thought on seeing the news was how easily that could have been faked. I also agree with you and others that he should have been captured and imprisoned, I don't (nor have I ever) agree with capital punishment, or the celebration of death. I dislike how Sadam was handled, and I dislike how Bin Laden's death has been responded to.

dogsbody70 05-02-2011 02:03 PM

I guess its about human nature Robin and the Media always go OTT and for those who lost loved one in9/11.

Always Media exaggerates. I Personally have not seen the news on this.

Just resent we were pulled into Iraq etc. George Bush was too much into
invading Iraq---an excuse I suspect-- but also America was not used to being attacked-- rather like Pearl Harbour-- that really did make more war.
I hate all wars-- and our interference.

I feel that it made the world a more dangerous place and also left Britain open to more terrorism when we Joined America.

We were told lies about the weapons of mass destruction and Blair wanted to cling onto Bush's coat tails.


I dislike what is happening in Libya now-- to many killings there and ordinary people being killed or injured.


I hate it all. It all just escalates and gets out of control and too many innocent people suffer.

No doubt Americans will correct me.

RobinMask 05-02-2011 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 864100)
Always Media exaggerates. I Personally have not seen the news on this.

That was one of my points, lol. Turn on the BBC or yahoo.co.uk and notice the lack of Bin Ladin stories, even try NHK for Asian news, then try CNN or yahoo.com and notice how the Americans are treating it as if Jesus is walking amongst us or as if world peace has been declared or as if cancer had been cured ;) I just didn't uderstand the American-level of hype.

ModusOperandi 05-02-2011 02:34 PM

Am I the only one who finds this revelation as a cause for worry than a source for celebration?

If this news is true, then it will most likely do little else than trigger a stronger response from terrorist groups looking to avenge/retaliate.

It's just going to turn into a vicious circle all over again.

I'd be bracing myself than skipping in the streets right now.

thetrueflesh 05-02-2011 02:44 PM

I think the same this kind of "news" sounds more like something that was planned with time rather than heroic action from the us militar forces.

As a plus there're lot of resources around on the web that certifies Osama died 3 months later after 9/11 and the one we know until his "death" was a fake one implanted by the US government itself.

WingsToDiscovery 05-02-2011 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 864102)
That was one of my points, lol. Turn on the BBC or yahoo.co.uk and notice the lack of Bin Ladin stories, even try NHK for Asian news, then try CNN or yahoo.com and notice how the Americans are treating it as if Jesus is walking amongst us or as if world peace has been declared or as if cancer had been cured ;) I just didn't uderstand the American-level of hype.

It's all about how one can relate. I'm sure news was pouring from the UK about the recent wedding, and while America and the rest of the world covered it, it surely didn't have as much significance as it did to England. The Bin Laden story isn't not being covered; there were news flashes about it on all of the prompter screens as I walked through Tokyo station today. I found out about the news simply from being in Japan and walking through the station before I heard what happened from a western news source. But there's definitely more significance to it for Americans.

evanny 05-02-2011 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by godwine (Post 864093)

Someone posted a video on you tube, saying that its a leaked pic, which i question its authenticity

it is fake. it was photoshoped with 2 pictures - a real (live) osama and some dead guy. basically he just added beard to some dead body with similar facial expressions.

kyo_9 05-02-2011 02:58 PM

LOL at everything..
If they think by doing this, people can just forget about the conspiracy regarding 9/11, they just made a great mistake..

thetrueflesh 05-02-2011 02:59 PM

Yes it has been confirmed already by the t.v networks, and as a matter of fact this picture has been around the web since 2009.

RobinMask 05-02-2011 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WingsToDiscovery (Post 864115)
It's all about how one can relate. I'm sure news was pouring from the UK about the recent wedding, and while America and the rest of the world covered it, it surely didn't have as much significance as it did to England. The Bin Laden story isn't not being covered; there were news flashes about it on all of the prompter screens as I walked through Tokyo station today. I found out about the news simply from being in Japan and walking through the station before I heard what happened from a western news source. But there's definitely more significance to it for Americans.

Actually the US news covered the wedding to a far, far greater degree than the UK press did - or at least from what I've seen. There was a lot of press about it on the actual day, but in the month leading up it was the US who had the most coverage . . . and you're right, it is being covered elsewhere (Bin Laden, that is) but just not to the insane degree in the US.

You could be right, and that it's because the event has far more significance to the US than to elsewhere, but at the same time the terrorist attacks affected everyone, and a lot of smaller countries had smaller attacks too. I know 9/11 was in America, but so many people died from other countries and from other nations in the towers, I have to question why it's more significant to America. Sorry, I just really don't get it :-/

MMM 05-02-2011 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 864094)
Yeah, I get that, and I'm not denying the fact he was a bad man. I just dislike the way the American press and public have responded to it, I don't think it warrants the attention or celebrations that it has had. I agree its news, and I think it's great closure for all those effected, and we could easily argue it's justice of sorts . . . but I don't understand how (or why) people can cheer, party, and actually celebrate his death. If anything shouldn't it be a moment of reflection, rather than for street parties and at the cost of all other news?

Edit: With that said, I do agree with you and the others that he could still easily be alive . . . my very first thought on seeing the news was how easily that could have been faked. I also agree with you and others that he should have been captured and imprisoned, I don't (nor have I ever) agree with capital punishment, or the celebration of death. I dislike how Sadam was handled, and I dislike how Bin Laden's death has been responded to.

Before this goes too much further, what parties and celebrations are you talking about?

For me the news is barely 15 hours old, and I guess I missed all the impromptu parades and fireworks you are seeing on the news over there.

Koir 05-02-2011 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864124)
Before this goes too much further, what parties and celebrations are you talking about?

For me the news is barely 15 hours old, and I guess I missed all the impromptu parades and fireworks you are seeing on the news over there.

Spontaneous parties in front of the White House, in Times Square, and at Ground Zero. The most notable reaction happened during a New York Mets/Philadelphia Phillies baseball game when the spectators got the news on their Blackberries and started chanting. As a side note, that game went 14 innings and took five hours.

ModusOperandi 05-02-2011 04:07 PM

Obama is giving another live address right now:
msnbc.com Video Player

Edit:
The first few minutes were dedicated to thanking those involved in the defeat of Osama. The rest of the address was in respect to two fallen American heroes from years past who gave their lives for their country.

evanny 05-02-2011 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 864120)
Actually the US news covered the wedding to a far, far greater degree than the UK press did

they did. and it is, in a way, retarded. why a country that fought against Royal Family's rule where is no election of leader-only accident of birth, would give such a praise and high ratings to them?
"Specially seeing how Royal protocol should be offensive to any free humanist."

dogsbody70 05-02-2011 05:00 PM

BIN LADEN BURIED AT SEA AFTER BEING KILLED IN FIREFIGHT WITH U.S. FORCES ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

on Japan Today.

Osama buried at sea. Thats rather convenient isn't it? How is anyone now able to identify the body.

hitotsz 05-02-2011 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 864120)
Actually the US news covered the wedding to a far, far greater degree than the UK press did - or at least from what I've seen. There was a lot of press about it on the actual day, but in the month leading up it was the US who had the most coverage . . . and you're right, it is being covered elsewhere (Bin Laden, that is) but just not to the insane degree in the US.

You could be right, and that it's because the event has far more significance to the US than to elsewhere, but at the same time the terrorist attacks affected everyone, and a lot of smaller countries had smaller attacks too. I know 9/11 was in America, but so many people died from other countries and from other nations in the towers, I have to question why it's more significant to America. Sorry, I just really don't get it :-/

I have a feeling that America puts up lots of trivial stories as major news in their media for some reason. For one I remember Elizabeth Smart getting missing and then being found all making big news. I don't know what's such a big deal about that that everybody has to know about? i guess it does help them being found but i've seen photos of missing children on store bulletin board who don't get publicized in press.

hitotsz 05-02-2011 05:37 PM

Anybody believe in the 911 conspiracy theory? If so what are your take on this?

SHAD0W 05-02-2011 05:59 PM

I won't believe he is dead until I see his head on a stick.

ColinHowell 05-02-2011 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 864130)
BIN LADEN BURIED AT SEA AFTER BEING KILLED IN FIREFIGHT WITH U.S. FORCES ‹ Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

on Japan Today.

Osama buried at sea. Thats rather convenient isn't it? How is anyone now able to identify the body.

Actually, I would call it highly inconvenient for us, for exactly the reason you mention. :( The link you gave explains it was because they wished to respect Islamic burial practices, and (understandably) they couldn't find a country willing to take the body.

This will give the conspiracists endless fodder for spinning fairy tales. Dammit.

ColinHowell 05-02-2011 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koir (Post 864125)
Spontaneous parties in front of the White House, in Times Square, and at Ground Zero. The most notable reaction happened during a New York Mets/Philadelphia Phillies baseball game when the spectators got the news on their Blackberries and started chanting. As a side note, that game went 14 innings and took five hours.

You have to remember that New York City and Washington, D.C. were especially traumatized by the attacks, because they were direct targets. New York City suffered more than anyone else: in one morning it lost some 3000 of its people, a large number of its emergency workers, and one of its most important landmarks. No one there could fail to miss the event as it was happening, and it ended with many thousands more running in terror from a choking avalanche of debris.

While the baseball game you mentioned was in Philadelphia rather than New York, there had to be a whole bunch of New Yorkers there.

TalnSG 05-02-2011 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864124)
Before this goes too much further, what parties and celebrations are you talking about?

For me the news is barely 15 hours old, and I guess I missed all the impromptu parades and fireworks you are seeing on the news over there.

Our local NBC affiliate was showing them in NYC and few other places along with a small group in Dallas on the 5am news. I am gladd the task was completed, but celebrating is depraved.

I have to wonder about the celebrants in Dallas. Most looked like they were in their 20's and for some reason they put up a sign thanking Bush - who accomplished nothing. It looked like guys who just got bored at the local bar and decided to party outside the Bush after they heard the news so they could get on camera.

Aside from some uneasiness about the rush to dispose of the body (I understand the sea burial, but that was too fast to trust), I keep having visions of the Hydra growing 3 heads for every 1 cut off.

Kozyra 05-02-2011 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shu (Post 864087)
i think america is lying.they just doing did because obama wants reelected for president.and osama is either died awhile ago,we faked the recent news, or he still alive. but even if he is he isnt hurting anybody.

I am totally agree with you 200 % .
that's what I'm think too .
a good point .

MMM 05-02-2011 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kozyra (Post 864159)
I am totally agree with you 200 % .
that's what I'm think too .
a good point .

If President Obama released this news to help him get re-elected, then he did it about 18 months too early. By the time the election comes around in the fall of 2012 this situation will mostly be forgotten.

dogsbody70 05-02-2011 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobinMask (Post 864120)
Actually the US news covered the wedding to a far, far greater degree than the UK press did - or at least from what I've seen. There was a lot of press about it on the actual day, but in the month leading up it was the US who had the most coverage . . . and you're right, it is being covered elsewhere (Bin Laden, that is) but just not to the insane degree in the US.

You could be right, and that it's because the event has far more significance to the US than to elsewhere, but at the same time the terrorist attacks affected everyone, and a lot of smaller countries had smaller attacks too. I know 9/11 was in America, but so many people died from other countries and from other nations in the towers, I have to question why it's more significant to America. Sorry, I just really don't get it :-/



Well considering it was in America that this happened, I cannot understand your surprise.

From that attack were spawned others and the war in IRAQ that followed.

If that man was the cause behind the attack on9/11. Where were you on that terrible day?

If there had not been that attack then we would not have been inIraq-- certainly not ostensibly to hunt Bin Laden down. I had never heard the mans name until after that event-- yet now we are stuck in the Middle east-- with too many lives taken or injured.


Bush wanted immediate revenge. Blair hung on to his coat tails-- forced us to join when many many of Us UK citizens were totally anti us invading Iraq.

My husband said that one of the reasons to bury Bin Laden in the sea was so there coud not be a memorial for him on a grave. I don't know but I am suspicious.


How many more Bin Ladens have we now to deal with?

Ryzorian 05-02-2011 09:54 PM

What it does show, no matter how long it takes, no matter who's president, no matter what country you hide in, the US will find you.

Sinestra 05-02-2011 09:58 PM

And the conspiracy theories begin:rolleyes: iv seen some good ones today as good as a guy who walked on water and turned water into wine but hey seeing is believing right.

As much as i am happy this guy is dead the situation has not changed. I would be happier if we would were out of the middle east. If the middle east is going to change or wants to change it needs to do so without our involvement. How long has this gone on for. Let them kill themselves, let them turn their own land into a crater hell i dont care if they turn their countries into freakin glass.

Osama was more symbolic then anything and though this might wound the extremist factions of Islam it wont stop it and of course expect reprisals. I dont think we should take away from others peoples pride and joy if that's what they feel especially the residents of New York and Washington Dc which i live outside of. I didn't give a frack about that Royal Wedding yet i was subjected to it everywhere i went this is the same thing. Let the people have their day.

If anyone believes Obama did this for elections purposes well all i can say is it must be nice to live in a world of daisies and butterflies. Him doing this now would serve no purpose. History has shown that in situations like this calm head, rational never win out against fear, misinformation and a general hysteria of the unknown.

Kozyra 05-02-2011 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 864161)
If President Obama released this news to help him get re-elected, then he did it about 18 months too early. By the time the election comes around in the fall of 2012 this situation will mostly be forgotten.

I think that this incident can not be forgotten by any American people , it is a historic event for them, because Bin Laden was a senior leaders terrorists that caused the fear and horror of the american people throughout the era of big time , as americans think , so I think americans will not forget this incident until end of history.
There's something strange in the story, how after all these years of searching for Osama Bin Laden appears finally in a house near Islamabad , in the vicinity of a military barracks for soldiers Pakistanis?
- How was the process in this easy ?
In addition, there is a strange thing in throwing his body into the sea.
they threw his body in the sea as if they threw a garbage bag from a car !

Ryzorian 05-02-2011 10:08 PM

The belief here Kozyra is that Pakistan knew he was there and was protecting him. That's why we didn't tell them we were comeing or that we had killed him untill after ward. I guess it's a matter of trust, the US doesn't trust anybody.


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