Really? Last year Russia was feeling threated by the us army because they were being encircled by missle bases. They felt the us wanted an arms race



I see a lot of rapes in news by the military we have there. Recently japan droped a case and there was a curfew in place but now its being lifted.

there have been a few 'crying wolf' cases as well don't forget...

Well a marine raped a filopino woman and the filipian ambasador? or somebody important is going to japan for her case.

fair enough, I was under the impression that (in recent times) weapons such as satellite-guided missles had been invented...

However, I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on such matters - my knowledge of weaponry comes from news reports mostly lol

the ambasador is probably trying to sell more women to hostess bars hahaha

I second that

Honestly I am wary of america being anywhere in the world. Whilst they may be there for good intentions things can go bad easily. Us can turn on people easily to they do it all the time and have done it in the past.

Wow thats awful, I haven't heard of anything like that (in the news) in Iraq recently?
Yeah...you're right...
Makes you wonder how much the military has been keeping secret???

Oh yeah I think so too...
I think the amount of cover ups would be scary if they were all to be reviled...

You honestly think that many people can keep secrets? <<
Eventually, most things come out. Even if it is years later.
The only problem the American citizens have is the fact that the majority ignore what their government is actually doing or base opinion off of opinion.
Like the rest of the world does. Humans like to live there lives and ignore corruptions.

Yeah... :/

... At least it has better history than the USA, USA dropped atomic bombs at innocent elders and women and children, you do remember that, don't you?

I wouldn't be so against US forces being stationed in Japan if so many of the servicemen there didn't go out and get drunk every time they're on break and terrorize the local Japanese population.

I join you believe me, the lack of discipline and the lapse of true authority to deal with it angers me. I feel most of the loss was due to the Tailhook incident the Navy had after the Gulf War, it gave the liberal and social engineers of America under Bill Clintoon the chance to invoke their touchy feely bull crap and stupid feminism into something they have no understanding of and simply no right to fuck with.

Gone are the days where superiors could invoke iron discipline, sometimes by the fist, against out of control misfits. We also ended a time test program of "Home basing" troops who wanted to be in Japan hitch after hitch, which kept disciplinary problems low, morale high and relations with our Japanese hosts excellent.

Also, not enough of the good things we've done in Japan get reported back home....building orphanages, community involvement, incidents where U.S. Servicemen risked their lives to save people from burning houses, wrecked cars, floods, ship accidents.

USA dropped atomic bombs at innocent elders and women and children, you do remember that, don't you?

Hiroshima was a center of the japanese southern defense command and an industrial hub, both legit targets of war at the time.

Shut up with your victim mongering, even many Japanese I know would be insulted by your ignorance.

And Nagasaki?

What the fuck is wrong with you? I never attacked you or anybody here, why are you trying to make Japan the biggest criminal in the world? you and I and everybody here knows that if Japan won WWII, the USA would be called criminals, it's just a political game nothing more, and the USA did MORE crimes than Japan did, and by the way, the USA is still doing crimes right now.

If we compare the history of both countries the USA will come out on top.

Leader of crimes and doing bad things of course can't be at the top of a good list now can they:D


The places that they attacked was wrong all they wanted to do was see how good of a weapon it was and how much damage it would cause in a populated area. On the documentries about this that were on HBO one of the bombs was either droped on or very close to a christian community. Oh yes thoes are our enimies thoes silly christian japanese don't they know thats only for us westerners.

Right that was soo justified. Fire bombings of tokyo was soo justified to and both bombs I mean why not kill off a bunch of innocent citizens. It shows your power. Right?

The HBO documentary of the people that were there when it happened is soo sad. None of them deserved it and to implie otherwise is absolute ignorance. No innocent citizens should be subject to death because of what their government did. What if Iraq decided to go and kill off 10 million citizens for what the usa has done there? Would it be justified. Most people agree that what is going on in iraq is wrong and we shouldn't even be there. So lets just say iraq retaliated by killing off civlizians. Its wrong!!! I should not be subjected to death because my silly country wants to go and play police with the world.

well if US does leave then North Korea and China might start its missile test agian!!! Remember USA is the most powerful country in the world!!!:exballoon: :exballoon: :exballoon: :exballoon:

So your original point is that the US has committed ethically worse war crimes than the Japanese has?

No one here is calling either country pure in their acts against other countries. However the nuclear bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't ruthless in any way. It was a strategic move that had to be done to end a war that had been going on for nearly 7 years.

That's 7 years of killing, 7 years of lives lost, 7 years of homes never to be seen again, 7 years of tears that the world should never have seen. Yea the bombings were a huge sacrifice and a lot of innocent lives were lost. You can't deny it was a crucial point of stopping 7 years of constant bloodshed.

Everyone who's damning the US and glorifying Japan in this topic (mind you we seem to have gone a little bit away from if US forces should be in Japan or not) really needs to read up a little. It's getting fucking ridiculous.

Now people here are trying to claim the dropping of the bombs in 1944 as some horrible inexcusable act committed by the US government and claim that the US has done soooo many more horrible things over the course of history compared to other countries. Calling the US army ruthless, and full of rapist yanks. Utterly fucking ridiculous.

You're either purposely ignoring other countries wrong doings or you guys are legitimately ignorant. Did you know that the war the US played a key part in ending was basically started due to Japanese conflict? More importantly that conflict makes Nagasaki and Hiroshima look like mercy killing in comparison.

A few months following the Second Sino-Japanese War (Wasn't just Germany) here's what the pure innocent Japanese army was up to. Not pretty, huh? Don't read it if you're one of those sensitive types.

Actually, the Nagasaki bomb was a mistake--due to cloud cover, the pilot of the plane couldn't find his original target. It's not like they sat down and plotted to kill the Christians...that doesn't make sense. Also, at first one of the targets was Kyoto, but enough American higher-ups protested and so it was spared. So you see, American leaders were in agony over this, and there were plenty of them involved who had great respect for Japan.

It was well known to the Japanese government by the spring of 1944 that they had irretrievably lost the war. But did they endeavor to save what was left and pick up the pieces by surrendering? No. They drove their people to a frenzy with propaganda campaigns to convince them they were winning. Japanese civilians (yes, the women, children and old people) were trained and ready to fight to the last in the event of an Allied invasion. If the U.S. had not dropped the bomb and ended things where it did, it is my belief that the U.S. would be charged with the genocide of the Japanese people, as the years of war would drag on and the dead pile up until America's superior firepower and economy would have at last annihilated Japan. Japan is a very proud country and not used to surrendering. It's sad that it took an atom bomb to convince the government that surrender was the way to save their country.

This is still a very sensitive issue to many with a lot of hurt still behind it...it's something that should never have happened...but I think it saved lives, and I don't think Japan would be the successful country it is today if the bombing and subsequent surrender had not occurred.

Wow.

In war 2 wrongs do make a right. History proves this. Espcially in World War II. Drastic measures had to be taken.

So you are justifying their actions. I hope you are not from US because this is the most cliched response from their public if such a topic ever turns up. This is no different from the way they acted or are acting in Afghanistan and Iraq. They bomed the hell out of these countries, killing thousands upon thousands of civilians for their own agendas. If you think that this is justified then I am sorry I think you justify blood-shed at that level. I have nothing more to say.

Where have you decided to not read me saying it was horrible? Fuck you just don't get it at all. Never have I said it was right. I'm saying it had to be done, and I'm saying that it ended one of the most horrible wars this world has ever seen.

In war two wrongs do make a right. All nations fall right? So in a war we're (we as in humans) just supposed to wait year after year in attrition until everyone's hands are covered in blood? Japan's stance in the war had to fall.

You're not even trying to listen though. You see that I'm justifying a horrible action (in a horrible war) and just ride with that I'm all for tyrannical actions and slaying the innocent when I'm so far against needless killing and for freedom that couldn't possibly be true.

The whole problem you have is that you want it to be an ideal world. Hell I want to it be an ideal world but it's not. There's going to be fighting, and there's going to be dying. That will never change.

However dropping that bomb did make change. That war had to end. There's no other way of looking at it. It.had.to.end.

Fine though. If you can't look past stereotypical hate for a country fueled by the media and look at something for what it really is.
No one is justifying boodshed. Stop reading only what you want to.

What I was saying is the US isn't the only country that had done bad things over the course of history and that when someone brought up the bombing that ended Japan's involvement in World War 2, yet saying the US is a big bad meanie pants because of it.

It was sad, yea. Horrible. War should never happen but that's living in an idealistic world. It ended a war that had been going on for over 7 years. It wasn't just pointing it at a major city and dropping a bomb then going "YEYYYYHAAWWWWW!!!!" and hoping to hit as many innocent as possible. It was meant to wipe out key Japanese military institutions, in fact vaporize them.

Any other more peaceful action would have been ineffective. The Japanese would have hid it from the public and moral wouldn't have died at all. Maybe you should blame the Japanese though for placing key military establishments in major cities since everyone here just loves to toss blame around.

I still like how no one has commented on what Japan did right around the start of World War II that makes Nagasaki and Hiroshima look pathetic in comparison. It makes me wonder if my posts aren't actually being read and those who comment just read what they want to read, or people are actually ignoring it. Maybe no one cares because it was the Chinese? Yea that'd probably make sense too.

And yet it does not change the fact that US is repeating the same things all over again. May I remaind you that Us has a history of killing innocents on a massive scale, disregarding the basic concept called humanity. I am sure the torture pictures which surfaced and then disappeared just as quickly are proof enough how well they are handeling the civilians in Iraq and Afg. This is no different the way they acted in WWII. So ending the war for a so-called greater cause= nuking, using chemical weapons for the mass-murder of the civilians. I don't understand your logic.

There is no justification, because such things are never "fair". I don't think we are trying to justify the U.S.'s actions, but provide the reasons for why they were unfortunately necessary. You can't beat your swords into plowshares if everyone else is still swinging swords at you. What would you rather the U.S. have done? Invaded Japan and slowly wiped out its people as they all fought to the bitter end? Would you like that better?

Sure, the bomb was made and dropped by the U.S., but the cause behind it was the Japanese government. They knew they were losing a year before. If the government had been willing to surrender at that point, the bomb would not have been used. The U.S. dropped the bomb because the Japanese government was unwilling to stop and surrender--not because they hated Japanese civilians, or wanted to try out this cool new bomb, or any other stupid reason.

A mainland invasion wasn't necessary. Japan was finished. The Allies however a)- Wanted an UNCONDITIONAL surrender
b)- Had a new weapon which they eagerly wanted to test out on some "yellows"
c)- What better warning shot to fire at the Soviets than a live demonstration of the A-bomb.

Defeat of Japan would have come via suffocating the islands eventually... Japan had next to nothing to throw back at the Allies at that stage.

You must be a little confused. Not to mention you have so much unconditional stereotypical hate for something you really know nothing about to even attempt to argue this fairly.

A mainland invasion was necessary. You can't just bomb a country in a war like that then not do nothing. You have to bring troops in to tie up all the lose ends.

Your comment about early wanting to test out a new weapon is not only racist but discriminatory against an entire country.

I think you've proved you have given up any rights you have about input in this conversation.

they should withdrawl the forces in japan, but, they should make like, a nearby base or something (not in japan)

so no one agrees with this???

Agreed :vsign:

Do you actually have any evidence to support this or are you going to continue pulling inane theories out of your ass?

Like... you're not even worth trying to explain this to you. Everything that you word down is either bullshit, some crack theory that you think is the ultimate truth and doesn't really hold nearly as much ground as you'd hope, or is just full of irrational bigotry.

If you're going to hate something this much find a real reason to do so. Like fuck, this is just ridiculous. You might as well be shouting a Gihad crusader cry, you'd sound about the same.


I just love how it's okay to toss around racial slurs and derrogetory statements around just because it's depicting a white person. Really mature.

It pisses you off when yanks try to act so superior? What do you think you and everyone else who has this set in stone all mighty final truth about the US opinion is doing? All you're doing is sitting up on a high above the clouds Olympian pedestal spitting on the US. Welcome to hypocrisy, I hope you're enjoying the stay.

I think Tenchu underestimates our military a little out of a bias from being in a different country's military.... But w/e, that's not the point.

I see the flow of discussion has again moved to the nuking of Japan in 8/45.

Regardless of what Tenchu's strange sense of honour might make him say about America's "spirit" or whatever, the fact remains that dropping the two nukes was the most expedient and, indeed, least costly in terms of lives for both countries way to end that conflict. Had we used conventional weapons and tactics, as Tenchu has suggested... It would have taken millions of bombs to destroy what was left of the Japanese war machine, and probably with about the same amount of civilian casualties in the end--we didn't exactly have precision/guided bombs back then, so taking out a single factory involved about 1,000 bombs, 30 bombers, 70 escort fighters, the destruction of 200 homes, a school, two hospitals, roads, utility infrastructure and millions of dollars of damages. Why do you think London and various parts of Germany were in total shambles? CARPET BOMBING. Like smoking, it kills. That's what "Conventional" warfare entailed at that time. We would have done exactly the same thing, but instead of it taking a week, it would have taken another 6-12 months.

Then, after we bombed the shit out Japan, we would have gone to a ground fight. Well, guess what? The Japanese would have drafted every last citizen in the country to fight back the invaders. Not that they would have had to, since the Japanese are very proud and would have fought us without being told to. So, again, we see the "merciless slaughtering" of civilians by the ten-thousands, only by American rifles instead of American atomic bombs.

Take your pick: another year of bloody, attritious fighting or two weeks where two cities get leveled and the grand majority of those involved (soldiers, civilians in other cities, etc) walk away still breathing.

It's kinda like a cortizone injection: it hurts like a mother f**ker, but the end result is better for you.

I'm not saying that dropping nukes on Japan was a "good" thing to do or that it wasn't evil. I'm only saying that of the options present, it was the best, the lesser of evils.

In fact, I'd say that in every war we've fought in the last century, our leadership has always tried to pick the lesser of two evils. Obviously, you get the occassional grunts who felt like being dicks and ruining the image of all their buddies by stealing something or raping someone--that shit happens in every war by every side. On the grander scale, though, we always try to expedite things. This is also true for almost everyone out there.

Arguably, our current regime isn't quite so expeditious. Then again, that's just the nature of guerilla warfare.

Well I hate it when anyone has an arrogant attitude. Not JUST the U.S.
Limiting myself to one country would be discriminating. Kinda like you are. Regardless what the word " yank" is to you or not.


I'm from South America as well and Tyrien isn't and never has been a U.S citizen.
There's nobody here acting like the U.S is the shit.We're simply defending their actions.

I just love how it's okay to toss around racial slurs and derrogetory statements around just because it's depicting a white person. Really mature.

It pisses you off when yanks try to act so superior? What do you think you and everyone else who has this set in stone all mighty final truth about the US opinion is doing? All you're doing is sitting up on a high above the clouds Olympian pedestal spitting on the US. Welcome to hypocrisy, I hope you're enjoying the stay.[/quote]

Will you relax, jeez, I never meant anything wrong by it, so sorry
I was just criticizing nationalism, when people say a certain country is the "best in the world" and everyone else is inferior, blindly worshiping their country without questioning...

You're not worth listening to if you're not going to provide some kind of facts. Facts seem to be why you're so convinced the US is the mother of all evil towards the rest of the world yet you're not showing anything at all, just blowing steam.

Your argument really holds no ground.

War.
Look it up.
It's a terrible thing.
Japan and the U.S have done terrible things.
Most countries have. Some countries even do terrible things to their people.
That's human nature not the U.S.

I think the US should leave Japan theres no reason we should stay there :pandasmile:

What the fuck do you care? You hate America anyway -_- . Not that I could give you a real answer to the question, since the corrupt asses in power right now all have their own damn ideas.

My point now is simply that what we've done isn't as bad as you and others are trying to make it sound. You guys are acting like because we used atomic bombs or because we've been involved in the three bloodiest wars of the last century that America is somehow the devil incarnate or some such nonsense.

We don't slaughter civilians. We do NOT go out, pick some random nobodies, and shoot them in the head. We do NOT go into cities, line up two thousand non-combatants, and cut off their heads. We do NOT blah-blah. That's slaughter. That's what the Japanese did to the Chinese, what the Germans did to the Jews, what Japanese did to American soldiers, what happened in the Crusades, etc. We have never done anything like that.

We dropped atomic weapons. We killed a lot of people with one explosion. The majority of them died close to instantly, not even aware that there was a problem. It was a tragedy, not a slaughter. (Slaughter is what McDonald's does to cows -_- )

Wars are part of human nature. You've said that yourself, so don't go saying "and continue fighting wars" like it's something spectactular. That's about as spectacular as you losing yourself all over your keyboard after midnight. BFD :/ .