*puts down rubik's cube*

I am an artist not a mathematician, i'd probably vomit all over that cube, mate.

Such an overrated Movie! Some already have it in the top 10 of all time with The Godfather, Pulp Fiction and GoodFellas.. I mean seriously??

The story was I agree original and the acting was good too.. but that is far from one of the all time greats.

Platoon should be in there right myk ;)

They haven't made a movie that I would really call "great" in the last ten years or so, save for Tarantino films.

Yes! Platoon is the best 'Nam movie EVAR!

You mean from all productions in the last ten years?

I would say that Kill Bill I was such an outstanding picture!!!

Inglorious Basterds wasn't for me..

More or less. I imagine there's some really good ones made in the last decade that I'm just not thinking of right now. But really, a great movie will jump right to mind. That's what makes it great.

Kill Bill 1 was so good that the second one pales in comparison... Except for the Five Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, that move is sweeet.

Inglourious Basterds is one of my favorites. What didn't you like about it? I felt that the casting was excellent and the writing was some of Tarantino's best.

Ohh, I think the problem was that I was expecting something very different from it :) I wasn't reading anything about it before it came out, just that it was a WW II War Movie about Nazi Germany.

I couldn't believe what I was watching there.. Tarantino doing such a creepy, Satire, Comedy.. and humanize the Nazis like that. It just wasn't what I was hoping for I guess. Probably failed in my eyes because of that!

I also found the dialogue to be very un-Tarantino like.. Death Proof for example gave me that Tarantiono charm back :)

I see what you're saying. But I think that he humanized the Nazis just to dehumanize them again. I think you'll recall the ending, where Hans Landa defects to save his own ass. I think that Tarantino did it that way just to show what slime the upper-level SS guys really were.

Hmm.. I don't know if "creepy" is the word I would use for it. In fact, I've always found Tarantino's dialogue to be pretty consistent from film to film (ie: he always seems to use the line "I know this is a stupid question before I ask it...). I've never seen Deathproof though, which is sad. All my friends tell me I've gotta see it. I think I'll watch it today :D

PS - I see that you live in Germany. How was Basterds recieved there?

Very well I think, but they are everywhere all over Tarantino flicks^^ Also some of the bigger German stars starred in it, which I think gave it a boom as well here. In the media and all that..

Yea, Hans Landa was really an excellent charackter^^ He really deserved the Oscar no doupt.

You definitely need to watch Death Proof. I watched it 3 times alone in the cinema haha It's made to look like to be a very old movie from with bad video qualitiy and so on. Really some great stuff and the music alone omg :D

It's an amazing movie even if the story isn't very original at all lol

But the music and this was also a very important part which I missed so badly in the Inglorius Basterds.

I haven't heard of anyone placing in the top 10 movies of all time. Can you post links?

My point is, to me, sci-fi + a twisted plot = sleepiness.

It's twisted in the sense that you have to be really into the movie to know where it's going and what to expect, it's the kind of movie you cannot go take a pee then come back and not feel like you've missed a bunch of important details.

I surely wouldn't place it anywhere near any Top10.

I strongly disagree.

Also, I share Bobby's opinion regarding Inglorious Basterds. It lacks what Tarantino's best at: letting the audience know what a character's like through random conversations they have with one another. The opening scene though was really good, loved every second of it.

That was the point of my list earlier. Plot twists are a staple of the sci-fi genre. I am not saying you have to like it, I am just saying they are not two tastes that don't taste great together.

The first time I saw it I was really into the movie, but I didn't know where it was going, and I didn't know what to expect.

Any movie you can take a pee break in and not miss anything is a movie that is poorly edited.

I didn't and I wouldn't.

IMDb Top 250

Also the Dark Knight should have a much lower rating too in my mind. There was nothing special about that movie, only exception was the Joker.

Arguably Heath Ledger's best role.

That's not a person, but groupthink.

I know, much more efficient that way.

and IMDb is one of the leaders out there.

Leaders of what?

Groupthink is the opposite of efficiency.

Show me links of individual people that are saying Inception is one of the ten best movies in the history of cinema.

So your saying a group of people who love Movies and watched that movie and gave there votes, says less than one single snob?

ALL-TIME 100 Movies - TIME

Inception is not included in this list, though I couldn't find when this article was published so it could be before the movie even came out.

After reading this list and comparing it to the one Bobby posted, it looks like the critics favor older movies. The majority of these particular critics' picks are movies from the 40s-60s. There were only five or six movies on this list that came out after 2000. City of God, Finding Nemo, the LOTR trilogy, and a couple others I had never heard of.

On the other hand, the popular opinion-based list seems to include newer movies, which makes sense. People tend to favor films that have come out since they were born. Especially now, since filmmaking is vastly different than how it used to be (special effects-driven movies are huge nowadays, and obviously didn't exist back then).

I agree with you there myk.

I also find it always funny that close to zero Asian Movies are being included in those lists. Movies like memories of murder, OldBoy, Battle Royale, Hero and so on..

It's Hollywood and 95% Hollywood which just isn't a top 100 list anymore then, at least in my eyes.

Or one that doesn't have constant twists.

Yes!!! Totally. I'm not into comic-based movies but everyone was saying how great it was so I went and watched it and then I was like... gee, really? I can't see what's so great about it, just another Batman movie. Best thing was it had Richard Alpert in it. Ledger wasn't exceptionally good either, in my opinion.

IMDb is the best you can trust out there. Most reliable site, by far.

And yes, I have seen Inception rated as one of the best movies made in the last few decades, even listed on all-time best movies. Way overrated.


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Thanks for posting Suki :)

I was looking around but couldn't find it.

Inception doesn't have constant twists. It is structured like a team heist movie. A twist, of course, is an unexpected turn. Most of Inception is fairly straightforward, the trick is keeping up with what level of the dream state the characters are in at any one point. Not exactly a twist. And then the ultimate "twist" is really the question... is reality the real world, or one level in?

IMDB is a reliable source for movie information, but the top 250 list is based on user votes. Even though I would rate Inception quite highly, it is not on my Top 10 best movies of all time. This is groupthink, and even though it appears in the top 10, it doesn't mean that anyone that voted for it thinks it SHOULD be in the top 10, it just means it got a lot of votes. I think few people would say that Shawshank Redemption is the best movie in cinema history, but there it is at number 1 on the IMDB list. It's a good movie, sure, but not number 1.

You first link is just "reporting" the IMDB situation.

The second link doesn't call Inception one of the 10 best movies of all time. The writer simply says it is the best movie he has ever seen. Subtle difference, but certainly different.

Your third link is the writer's opinion about the top 10 dream movies of all time... and he doesn't even include Inception in the list.

Why did I expect such an answer? :rolleyes:


also, Shawshank Redemption actually deserves the place at the sun MMM. It is there for decades to come and has so many positive messages, not even comparable to the Computer crap like Inception..

I am not sure what you mean.

Did I say Shawshank Redemption was a bad movie or didn't deserve a place under the sun? No.

Are you saying you believe Shawshank Redemption is the best movie in cinematic history?

What is "computer crap"?

I believe computer crap is a reference to the immorality of western cultures.
Tatami crap is more favorable as it's composed of dead skin cells of honorable people with real ethics.

Or perhaps it's CG, because movie fanatics have an allergy to any art form aided by transistors. (Despite mentioning how Hero should make it into a top 100 list...)

@MMM:

It is impossible to say which movie should be number one. We could make a top 10 list and perhaps agree on not more than 1 single movie.. if any at all.

It all depends on the individual, thats why I showed you a list from many, many people who voted in there at IMDb.com.

Shawshank Redemption for me personally shouldn't be number one, but thats opinion based. It is definitely in the top 10 of all time and therefore deserves to be number 1 as well if so many people voted for it.


@James:

Computer Crap is what we see in almost every single movie these days.. I mean whats the point in acting in front of a green wall I am asking you? And thats what Inception is unfortunetly.

I admit, Hero shouldn't be in the top 100 lists, but Memories of Murder and OldBoy should be recorgnized.. thats actually all I am asking here, repect Asian Cinema. If the top 100 or even top 200 only exists 99% out of Hollywood movies.. well then this list is inaccurate!

Certainly it is a manner of opinion, but not impossible.

You haven't addressed what I am saying. People rank individual movies by their tastes. However, they are not voting for their favorite movies of all time. I might rank Inception a 10, but that doesn't mean I think it is in the Top 10 Movies of All Time. All this list means is that a lot of people ranked it highly. It was up at number 3 a couple weeks after it came out last summer. It is now number 8. Does that mean five better movies came along since then? No. It just mean the initial buzz has cooled down. Please acknowledge this is not a consolidation of peoples Top 10 lists, but just a average of user rankings. No one voted for their Top 10 on this list.

No one voted for it to be number one. It just means a lot of people ranked it highly.

It's an average and groupthink.


If you are using Inception as an example of overuse of green screen, then I think you are barking up the wrong tree. This production was well known for using much less green screen than expected.

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To that end, how is it even possible for there to be a list of greatest movies of all time outside of one based on popular opinion?

I heard that they made all the sets and that there was no green screen used.

Naturally there is no definitive way to qualify a list of films that are "the best". I would say even one base on popular opinion would be less desirable, as you would have a list that looks like the testosterone based one at IMDB.

Yeah, true. I didn't really like what I saw on the IMDB list, either. But all the critics' picks I've seen seem stuffy and have an elitist air about them, which to me doesn't seem much better.

The best lists are from the people who are your average Movie watcher. Or the one from Quentin Tarantino :D

And because IMDB is the most popular thing out there right now, that alone should qualify it as being reliable. Feel free and show me another list from people who voted.. there must be more out there.:confused:

I don't know which list you might find acceptable.. but this list doesn't exist I think.

You were complaining that people were saying Inception in in people's Top 10 Films of All Time. I asked for links. IMBD was presented. I say IMBD doesn't count because it isn't a list of individual's Top 10 Films of All Time, but an average of user rankings.

"Reliability" has nothing to do with anything.

I thought we already moved past the fact that it's based on the individual himself and not some Movie snob who might think that Inception belongs there or not and that we moved on in finding the most reliable list out there?!

here..

I really don't know what to criticize here.

"Reliable" is a relative term. I think the main point was that a list that everyone can agree on is impossible to find. Some value the opinions of critics and other movie industry illuminaries, while others take what the masses say as truth.

Like The Dude from The Big Lebowski said, "That's just, like, your opinion, man." :mtongue:

well, mostly what the masses say is true isn't it? Same applys to our democracy system same should work for Movies.

Otherwise we would have the monarchy back :mtongue: where the "movie Industry" aka the 1. status group gives there only truthful opinion.

In terms of pure democracy, yes, you're absolutely right. Although I do think that some (the critics) know better than others. However, the critics tend to pick movies that are beyond the minds of most regular people. I'm not going one way or the other I'm just saying that we're trying to measure something immeasurable here.

You are absolutely correct!

How about you, MMM and myself do a little top 10 list just for the fun? :)

could take a little while though..

I actually had to do that very thing a couple months ago for a class.
Here it is:

10. Moon
9. Brothers
8. Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas
7. Friday Night Lights
6. Jarhead
5. Mononoke Hime
4. Goodfellas
3. Kids
2. Taxi Driver
1. Platoon


Honorable Mention: American Beauty

Now thats what I call a adventurous list :)

I will need a little more time!

GoodFellas and Platoon are also in mine :P