final fantasy XIII
 

ok soo wat do you think of final fanasty XIII.

I like it!!! It has good game effects. Any Final Fanasty game is awesome. :)

yea i think your right

someone's clearly never played FF Crystal Chronicles..

And what's the problem with FF XII if I may ask?

i dont know

the battle system is weird,i like Crisis Core's slightly more refined version of it

FFVII is the best, still remains. Graphics are uselessin a RPG if there is no story, that is why FFVII is the most popular and gets so much attention. Hope a remake comes.

VIII was always my favorite,i loved the junctioning system :)

i like crisis core it is really good

it is great,a little weird tho because you're playing a character you know is DOOMED!

yea i hate the ending i hate that zack dies

The battle system is real time just all the new RPG have. You don't need to walk and wait while you engage in the battles like in the previous FF games, and you can cast all the buff spells before the battle meaning it's actually useful to use them unlike in turn basted combats where the battle ends after 2-3 moves. The gambit system helps organize your characters the way you want if you don't like giving commands to everyone and it's useful for creating strategies. In FF XII even something simple like "Quikenings" requires thinking, otherwise you may lose the battle if you'll keep using them.
So what's so weird bout it?

the fact that to perform simple attacks you have to wait for the little bar to fill up before they actually do it,in Crisis Core you have more direct control over Zak's actions.admittedly the gambit system is a nice touch

That little little bar you're talking about is in all previous FF games except FF, FF II and FF X. Are all the previous battle systems weird now just because Crisis Core has different one?

what was weird was the fact that they decided to have a more open battle system,but decided to keep the little bar.it works fine on a turn based system in the previous games

does anybody have Dissidia:Final Fantasy? and is it any good? we're not getting it in the U.K. until September,already have it pre-ordered :)

What else do you expect? We're talking about a game where you need to control 3 characters, not one, like in the Crisis Core. That's why Crisis Core is an action RPG, if they'd remove the bar then it would also be an action RPG, if not hack & slash.

Sounds like a rant.

i haven't played dissidia yet the u.s doesn't get it until august

They will never stop -_-


BTW, is this the new one with the black dude with the afro and the pistols? Or is that XIV?

its the one with this girl named lightning

I agree with lastfortnight that X was the last truly good one. X-2 was boring and XII was well boring and i found it difficult if you didnt train a lot in the beginning. but i am excited to pick up the vs. XIII edition

yea vs. looks good

I disagree. I surely wouldn't call the story bad as it made changes from the same old FF pattern of 'good guy has grudge against bad guy, grudge becomes ever more epic and boils down to a big massive 'save the world' scenario, during which the good guy finds true love with some woman he picked up along the way'. FF XII story went a different road, becoming more mature then any other FF series.

What I did like about the story and what I didn't find in other cliche'd FF's, is that the line between "Good" and "Evil" is blurred. That's what so intriguing and compelling about FFXII story compared to other FF's reeeeou clearly know who's the "truly evil" villain that's gonna destroy the world. Sure, many could argue that Vayne is the villain, but wasn't he just trying to suppress a rebellion from those who would dare to as a ruler should? And lets not forget he tried to liberate the humes from the rule of the Occuria.

The characters seem more cultured and refined than say FFVIII's. Vaan, while I'll admit he was underdeveloped, like Fran and Penelo, at least wasn't an emo like Squall. The story, on the whole makes sense, though the Occuria should've been expanded upon. That was a weak plot point (I never said the story was flawless) and the political aspect of FFXII is also one of the things I enjoyed about FFXII. Also there were plenty of subplots amongst the characters, like:
-Vaan, trying to become a sky pirate and come to terms with the death of his brother.
-Balthier, and his changing from apathetic pirate to heroic rebel. Also the conflict with his father takes centre stage.
-Fran, outcast from her people for venturing out into the world (not to mention the subtle romance between her and Balthier). Although, her story fades out far too soon.
-Ashe shouldn't really need explaining. You deal with her crap almost the entire time.
-Basch, as he seeks redemption through his duty to Dalmasca.

Just my 2 cents in this whole matter, as I feel you are overlooking FFXII's noteworthy merits and if you approach it with a traditional FF mentality, you will certainly not appreciate it.

I loved X and X-2 myself...X-2 was just a good laughing time..

Thank you. Time and time again people go fanatical over FFVII while completely overlooking some of the other brilliant games in the FF series (like FFIV and FFVI). FFVI is my personal favourite and I am really hoping this gets a decent remake, hopefully on the PSP. No other characters have been as lovable as the maniacal Kefka (woopoopoop!) and the comic relief Ultros.

Yes, I got hold of Dissidia about a week after it was released. Even after 200 hours of gameplay, I'm still not tired of it. My favourite characters are in the game along with my favourite themes (like the boss themes from FFVI, FFX and FFXII). This game felt like it was tailormade to fully satisfy me :)

I bought a PSP for this game alone and it was totally worth doing so because the game is really enjoyable. Try to find others with Dissidia and challenge them to earn artifacts etc.

Despite what a lot of people think of X-2, I actually didn't mind it. The battle system involving the dress spheres was kind of nifty....in a Charlie's Angels kind of way. In fact, the game felt more like a spin-off game of a Charlie's Angels flick than a Final Fantasy. Still an entertaining game though.

I fully stopped taking the X-2 seriously after the arousing LeBlanc massaging minigame.

I can't wait for XIII, and XIV, which is going to be another mmorpg, just like XI if you didn't know. I loved XI, but I gotta say my favorite Final Fantasy has to be IV, don't know why, but it just struck a note with me :D

Final Fantasy X is my favorite FF so far. As for FFXII, I thought it was very interesting. I like the story, and the larger environments. As for FFXIII and XIV, I can't wait. They'll be great.

It is easy to say that XII had more refined characters then VIII. VIII had no audio, it's up to you to decide how the characters are interacting with each other by what text reads. X and XII have voice overs, so you can feel the emotion much easier. You don't have to fill in all the little details yourself.
In that sense, you can say that Tidus had more personality then Cloud. Though I do like Tidus in combat, and I enjoy his character design, he is definitely one track minded. (I don't want to go off topic here, but you can say he has more personality then anyone from 7-9.)

Could you please explain how you see Squall as an emo? He doesn't want to let people in on his life and chooses to isolate himself. An emo wants people to feel sorry for them and console then. Squall wants to be left alone, to not be bothered. Emos want attention but don't admit it. This isn't like Squall at all.


How about you provide a more decent response then saying it has no substance? If you think it sucks period, I am sure you can give more of a reason then that.

Ok then. I was never able to play the fist VI, but I'll take your word for it. (Though I have recently played a bit of FFI on the PSP, not sure if it's different.)


I don't think so either. I was giving an example.

Aniki said Vaan had more personality then Squall. I had said maybe he thinks this because Vaan has a voice over, while Squall does not. Perhaps it is easier to say one has more character then the other, because you can hear ones voice, while the others voice you have to input yourself.

XII is a lot shorter then VIII, and Squall has A LOT more dialogue then Vaan. We get to be one on one with Squall, and see his personal private thoughts.

Vaan doesn't talk too much, and when he does, he's asking a lot of questions, not too much personal information is revealed from him, other then his talks about Rex, and Penelo.

Now in older RPG games that do not have voices, the music of the moment can help to emphasis what the person is thinking, and help to shine a light on how the emotions of the scene is intended to be viewed.

In that context, I was stating that perhaps he may also view Tidus with more personality then Cloud, because Tidus has a voice, and Cloud doesn't.

It requires a level of imagination to appreciate a non-voiced game. Though I am not saying here that Aniki does not have an imagination. I'm just speculating.

I'm looking forward to XIII. I've only had a chance to play VI through X so far. I'd have to say that my favorite by far is VIII. And I think that IX is so very underrated. I couldn't really get into X, I need to go back and try it again. VII was by far my least favorite. Sephiroth just didn't seem that interesting to me. That and Cloud was more interested in being with Sephiroth than either of the girls that wanted him. I never understood everyone's fascination with Aeris either. Tifa was about the only character in the game that I cared for. I personally think that the only reason it is so popular is because it was the first one a lot of people played or the fact that it was the first one with CG cut scenes. I much preferred Squalls story, and really...it was easier to care about all the characters in VIII. The story over all just seemed a lot more in depth than VII. I really wish they would hurry and redo VI cause I have not heard a single bad thing about it.

Speaking of voice overs in X, did anyone else find it annoying that no one would ever refer directly to Tidus in speech because the developers made Tidus' name a variable? "The son of Jecht", "that guy", "him"....:rolleyes:

I didn't even have the enthusiasm to finish FFXII, but I played FFX about 30 times or something...

Voice over has got nothing to do with character development, the story itself and their conection to it, and the dialogs is what develops them. Recently the FF IV remake came out for the DS with voice over, but that didn't change their personalities. You don't need a voice over to understand characters emotions, it's the dialogs that count. If you see a character waving his hands a "!" in the end of a sentence, you con't need to ponder just to realize that he's shouting, thus I dissagree with your opinion that Tidus has more personality then anyone prior to FF X. Yes, voice overs make the characters more lively, but not that much where they has more personality than previous ones. If I were to agree with that, then it be the same as saying that Kimahri has more personality then... lets say, Barret or anyone else, just because he has a voice over.

PS: This thread was derailed from the begining, I see no point why we should stop, not to mention there isn't much to talk about FF XIII anyway.

Maybe calling him an emo was wrong, but that's how he looks to me. I didn't like Squall was because he shunned everyone away with his annoying "loner" behaviour, which is lame. Through the game all the characters show affection to him, wanting to be friends or more, but you got to put with this "I don't let people in because I'm afraid to get hurt" crap, until the end when he finally realizes he loves Rinoa and when that's done it's time to save the world. From each FF series you get a main character who's not only looks, but also personality differs from the last one. While Squall was more like a genetically-altered clone of Cloud.
The reason why I compared Vaan and Squall was because of their same ages and they have similar pasts. Vaan is also an orphan who lost his family (including his brother later), but you don't see him whining. The flashbacks show how difficult it was for him while visiting his brother in a hospital, and that even afterwords these memories still haunt him, but still he moves on to persue his dream to become a sky pirate. And from the beginning you see how much he trusts and cares about people surrounding him, Kytes, Migelo, and especially Penelo - his new family. Squall practically needed to be slapped into sense, like when Irvine told him to rescue Rinoa.

FF VI is nothing like FF. It's has a deep story in it, involving many different characters (who have interesting subplots), espers, and the most badass villain in all FF franchise. While FF only revolves around 4 warriors of light with no back stories who must save the world from chaos. I see no point in comparing the two more thoroughly, since we're talking FF here - the first of the franchise. What am I trying to say here, if you think that FFVI doesn't differ from FF, then you're completly wrong.