my life long dream
 

You want to live in a place you've never visited because of a "feeling"? I had a feeling like that once - then she cheated on me and stole my cat.

Your friend thinks he's moving there when he's 18? Unless he's been accepted to a college there, I don't think so.

You're both D*** fools.

No offense, but those are some pretty shallow friends and coworkers. I have yet to leave the Tokyo airport -.-;; but from what I've gathered from four years of learning Japanese and of Japanese culture, along with personal experiences of friends, it really is a beautiful place. Your dream is definitely no fantasy. I hope one day you finally fulfill that dream. I hope I get a chance myself, hahaha.

It sounds like you have some very supportive people close to you. :eek:

Look through this section and you will find many people like you. Specific questions will get specific answers.

OMG! You stayed in Tokyo with my uncle for 3 weeks, and decided that you wanted to come back to America for a girl... You suck! You better stay this time or it's your ass!

And kid if I were you I would start thinking of something else. You're not going to Japan, a lot of people are going to tell you it's possible and to keep trying, but it useless. Save yourself the hassle and just give up.

Uh, why is it not possible to go to Japan? Anyone can visit any country they like if they want to. They don't even have to speak the language. People do that all the time. What's this about it being useless? I have a feeling you shouldn't be taken seriously.

It's not possible if you don't have a fundamental reason. You can't just say "Oh Japan looks nice in this cartoon I want to go there." If they really wanted to go they would do the proper amount of research, and gather an adequate amount of information. But no they're asking other people to give them the answers, most of which haven't set foot on Japanese soil. When my parents wanted to move to America from Japan it was a lot of hard work, and a lot of people don't realize that. Out of all the people I hear say that they're going to Japan only one actually did, and that's because he's spoiled, and his Mom knew my family. There is no point in giving this kid with a half baked idea any false hope. I am to be taken seriously, I've seen my parents work very hard to get here, and I hate it when people make it seem like it's a piece of cake.

Truth be told it wasn't an easy transition for him coming to America, they would have been better off in Nippon. And when we were in college he tried to help a lot of people who said they were interested in going to Nippon get there and most of them bailed on him. It's a really long and complicated story, but he's really passionate, and emotionally attached to this subject matter.

You're crazy, I left because it was my freshman year and I had to get my things prepared to move in. Please take a chill pill.

Why such a dream killer, MutsuYakumo? I mean, you have three posts, all really negative. Not a great way to start here.

Matsu, there is no false hope here. Everyone has a chance to follow their dreams, don't try to crush them. My parents moved from Taiwan when I was two. I've moved so many times in my life, and I know the hardships and hard work that are involved to achieve a brighter future, don't think I don't understand what's involved. Hell, I've traveled coast to coast by car across the entire United States with my family so that we could live a better life. The point is, if you lose hope now, then you'll never have a chance to succeed and follow your dreams, so I say give him a chance.

Ok. Your capabilities aren't in question his are. Now later on down the road if this kid gets his head in the game, stops dreaming and make some realistic goals, then I would be happy to have been proven wrong. But until then like anyone else who is a realist I doubt that it's something he'll see through to the end. Consider the other negativity in his life at some point that will set in. The odds are stacked against him. Sorry but that's life.

Dude am I lying? Both threads that I read, and posted on were essentially the same thing, which have been posted before. I mean this is literally my first time sitting down and looking at the threads on this forum, some of the people seem cool, but the people who thinks that there is a quick answer to "moving to Japan" frustrates me to the point where they should hear the absolute truth. They have no interest in my culture, they have no interest in working for the opportunity to visit my country. They want to push "the easy button." I'm sure there are plenty of people here who worked hard, stuidied the language and customs, and I respect that. Hell my friend Al is the most spoiled guy I know and he worked his ass off for the opportunity to stay in Japan, because it's a privilege to visit Japan not a right. I love my country, and I think they should put real effort into visiting it.

I actually agree with Mutsu. There are way too many people who dream of going to Japan because it looks mystical from anime and movies. Get real! Its a country just like any other. I happen to like it because after studying abroad there for a year I made great friends and really enjoyed the lifestyle there. Go to college then study abroad in Japan. If you like it then make plans to go back for a longer period of time. Just don't wing it because you have a "feeling" you were meant to be there.

It's realistic to go someplace because of your hobbies, and I don't see how it isn't. A lot of people go to Japan because of this. They want to be closer to whatever they love about Japan. Nothing unrealistic about it.

Yes you're correct in everything you said. However, he said he wants to "live" there not just go. There is absolutely nothing wrong with visiting a country because of hobbies and interests. But I think its just silly to want to move there without visiting.

So then we should be encouraging him to visit instead of instantly stamping out his dreams like a rogue fire, saying he'll never be able to live in Japan.

You're admirable for defending this kid and "keeping hope alive" for him. But he fails to mention a reason for wanting to go to Japan, the best I can think of is "japan is the most beautiful place I've ever seen i mean just the sights take my breath away" It would be easier for him to buy a panoramic poster frame it and enjoy that. Think of it like this: A lot of people wants to go to New York because they would love to be a model, that doesn't mean that they should. And that's a better reason than him wanting to move to Japan. It's not impossible, but it is improbable.

That's better. You're right, he doesn't have great supporting reasons but look: "Japan is the most beautiful place...etc." Hear that a lot from people that decided to move to Japan? I sure do :D

No... No I don't, I hear that from people who are ridiculously clueless. Yes Japan is a very beautiful place, but you can't appreciate that beauty if you haven't been there in person. I've seen very nice pictures of Malibu, Hawaii, and various other places but that's not a good enough reason for me to move there.

Kid listen to your family and friends. I'm pretty sure they want whats best for you. You don't belong in Japan, you can't love something that you don't know or understand. I've seen plenty of beautiful women and dreamed of being with them, but the truth is I won't, and the healthiest thing to do is just move on. It's okay to like anime, and manga, but don't become obsessed, it's not very becoming.

its best not to say you just wanna move there straight away, we all know japan is a beatiful place with lots of culture, things to see and do ect. so why not start planning to go there for a holidayfirst? and can you speak fluent japanese ? coz you need it if you wanna live/work there

I lol'd. Hard.

Methinks we could make use of you. Welcome to JF. 90% of this website is full of people much, much worse than the origional poster of this thread. Maybe you could help us in cleaning this place up?

In regard to the topic.. Don't bother. Go outside, make some friends and try having a life in the country you live in, OP. Then decide. Alternatively, stay here and keep posting so we can lol at you, you D*** fool.

Really? Sounds like one of the main reasons for someone to want to move someplace to me. I wouldn't want to live somewhere that I thought was ugly and plain right? And I think the reason people move to Hawaii is because it's beautiful (and for the various actives on a side note).

As I recall, his friends and family called him a "D*** fool" for wanting to follow his dreams. Doesn't look like sound advice to me. And saying "he doesn't belong in Japan" makes no sense. Everyone "belongs" wherever they feel like.

Hey now (this is off topic but related), everyone has a chance at "beautiful women" that they dream about, it's about finding the right person.

1. A.) Sounds to me like only a douche would move to a place based on cartoons and pictures.
B.) Nobody moves to Hawaii based simply on the fact that it has a nice scenery.

2. A.) His family is correct.
B.) Not everyone belongs wherever they want. If that were the case America wouldn't have so many border issues with Mexico.

3. Finding the right one is not the same as boning the one you can't get.

4. Your argument is becoming less worthy of a response. You have weak foundation, and only a fool supports a fool.

OMFG! it get's worse that this??

Quite the cynical fellow aren't you? I guess you have your reasons.

People DO move to Hawaii because it has nice scenery, why can't you get that into your head? If not they would go move somewhere else quiet that isn't a popular tourist spot. People see Hawaii as one big resort, as ignorant as that sounds. It's a life-long vacation to them, it's obviously beautiful, and that's why they move there. It is also ignorant to say that nobody does this.

His family is NOT correct if the only thing they say to him is an insult. I'd like to hear more of their argument for wanting to keep him back besides being blissfully ignorant of the possibilities of the future. What's keeping him out of Japan? Is Japan going to create a blockade with the message, "Keep this guy out of our country at all costs." If he can find a place to live, and he has an income, by god he "belongs" there.

Nice, it's all about "boning" the chicks. I see where you're going with that, and I prefer not to follow that road, thanks. The "right" person is always the most beautiful to you, obviously. If he/she is not, then you've got the wrong one, buddy ;]

Less worthy of response, huh? I guess I'm not good enough for your high standards D: My foundation is concrete. Would you like my thesis to be repeated? :D I'm talking about you crushing someone's dream without an after-thought. You're right though, nerds should stand up for nerds because we're all HUMAN. Even fools deserve a chance. Fool or not, this guy belongs in the club. Don't treat him like he's inferior or an outsider.

Edit: Lawl at that ignorant post above me.

You just don't get it. It's not about crushing someones dream. It's about reality, he has an unhealthy obsession with something that he knows very little about. Someday this kid will look back on this day and thank me. You fail to see the bigger picture, therefore this argument is becoming increasingly futile. Plain and simple, If you want to go to Japan you better have a damn good reason, and know that there is no shortcut, there are people who bust their asses to honor Japanese culture, and this kid is just lusting after it like some kind of perv. You'd understand if it were your culture, but it's not so you don't.

You say that, but your not handing him your reality, you're punching it to his head. If he listen to you, someday he may look back and REGRET not taking the chance to learn more about Japan so that in the future when he's ready and capable, he can make the decision to move there and live his dream. I still fully support that dream, and you can call me stubborn, but I'm going to take a stand and encourage him to look into it more. Like I said, let him decide for himself. Don't force decision on him. Nobody has the right to do that.

You'd understand better if you weren't so busy being so self righteous. Read everything word for word. You're not even defending the kid, your just not backing down for personal reasons. Anyone could see the point I'm making but instead you feel the need to find a reason to disagree. I'm willing to bet money that you care more about this then he does.

"Self-righteous?" So now standing up for somebody and supporting them is considered self-righteous? What kind of twisted sense of logic is that? You're not even attacking my actual argument anymore, just the way it's presented. I clearly see the point you are trying to make, and I'm disagreeing, what's wrong with that? Isn't that the point of a discussion? And what's this about personal reasons? Where are you pulling this out of? You don't know me, so don't make assumptions about me. You think I'm here just to be self-righteous and personalize everything. Where have you been since the opening post? I shouldn't have to say how sincerely I am trying to support this kid. If you can't see that, that's your problem.

This is his life long dream. What makes you think he doesn't care?

I've read the whole of this conversation.. from the beggining and I agree with every word you have written. Those "personal reasons" you state above are probably because Arikado has the same "dream" lol.

I assumed that you knew what self righteous meant and would see the error of your ways, but I guess I have to hold your hand like a child and walk you through this. You saw me respond in a "mean" way and you felt that you could go into a war of wits against me, and look like a hero or something. However things haven't really gone the way you planned so you continue to argue so you won't look bad. So you either continue to argue out of wounded pride, or maybe because your dreams are one in the same. Either way you have to be the only one who refuses to grow up and see what's actually going on here.

That is quite possibly the most logically sound observation that I have read on this website, maybe ever.

the LOL is for emphasis :p

I think you are jumping to conclusions, and should give people a chance to explain themselves. A lot of the posters here are young and just don't know what it takes to go to Japan. This is Japan Forum, so let's be supportive.

I think we have given all the nessessary support. OP now knows what their up against hehe. What are your thoughts then MMM?

Instead of asking why, and giving the kid a chance to explain himself he was pounced on like he was attacked by hyenas. Considering that's the same support he seems to get from home, I doubt he'll ever post again, and may give up on his dream, as even at JF he can't get fellow Japan-lovers to give him an ounce of support?

What are my thoughts?

I am curious which part of Japan MutsuYakumo is from.

Dreamsandhopes, how old are you? What exactly is the fascination with Japan?

It's always nice to have dreams but if your dreams are based on smoke and mirrors, you're only going to disappoint yourself while wasting several precious years of your life.

I don't care if he isnt from japan, he makes me lol and makes sense.

Topic: When i started to learn to skateboard, people told me it was a pointless sport and i'd never be any good at it, ya know what happend MMM? I tried harder, and harder to disprove them.

Sometimes negative feedback can work out the best.

Girl: i like naruto sugoipocky can we be friends?
JF: yes ofcourse welcome to japan. are you studying our language?
Girl: nope! neko!
JF: doesnt matter, we will do all the hard work for you, go tell all your other friends how you have kawaii japanese friends and invite them here.
Girl: yartar!

Me/Keaton/Captain: go screw, you'll never fit in here!

6 months later

girl: hi guys, can you help me with my japanese learning?
JF: sure, whats your problem?
girl: explain -te forms of verbs and their usage please.
JF: no problem, good luck when your out in japan..


Maybe.. just maybe.. ya know?

This is where you're wrong there were plenty of people who decided to tell him what he wants to hear. I told him the truth, and if he loved Japan so much he would take my advise and start making plans. Read what I have posted instead of inferring that I only wanted to attack this kid.

I am from the Kita (キタ) ward in Northern Osaka, but I live in America.

Is getting to Japan hard? Of course it is. Is it impossible? Obviously not, because thousands of people do it every day.

MutsuYakumo, you came in swinging, and I am just calling you on that. There is a growing wave (not just you) of people that like to cut down people with a dream of going to Japan. Until now, our idea has been to explain the ways, give a reality check, and encourage the poster to work on what he needs to do to make that dream come alive. What we don't need to do is insult and start calling names (I am talking to everyone here). You have special knowledge that can be really useful here, and we can use all the Japanese intelligence we can get. I hope you can focus that energy toward positive things.

When did you move to America. I lived very close to 北区 for a few years and visit 梅田 every time I go back.

Listen if this kid wants real information then he would go out and look for it. When you just give a kid like this information he won't appreciate it as a matter of fact he'll take it for granted, and if he makes it to Japan off of advise of others he would have to continue to look to others for help. If he goes out and look for information we would cherish it because it took hard work and not just been given to him, and he'll be more independent. It's simply nature vs. nurture.

I moved here when I was a kid. Umeda, yeah I hear there is some good shopping there, I hope you enjoy it. But this isn't about me, so let's stay on the real topic. If you want to know more about me PM me. Honestly I'm not really interested in your life story but takes anyway.

And if you're having problems with other people take it up with them. Don't put me on the spot, maybe it's the people who worked hard that are tired of people who wants to half ass it. Take that into consideration.