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wasabijuice 05-17-2009 05:34 AM

The real Japan
 
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Tsuruneru 05-17-2009 05:41 AM

This is nothing new to me but i still love the country regardless of what they are not showing.

wasabijuice 05-17-2009 06:00 AM

Glad to hear there is someone enlightened out there,

tell me, are you in Japan now or have you ever been?

Reavyn 05-17-2009 06:26 AM

Over every place in Japan, Hokkaido is actually the one place I'd want to spend most of my time. I'm quite aware that Japan is nothing like everything you see in Anime, Manga, Movies, or even the Drama's. Many people always have those misconceptions about anywhere they have never been but wanted to go. Sure, I like anime, sushi, and cosplayers, but I also like history, many of the other foods (not sure about squid ink pizza though...), and everyday wear. Sadly, due to traps I unknowingly set for myself in my younger days I will probably never get a chance to get out to Japan.

Even in the city I live in, I often just go walking. The only thing that really keeps me sane is such a horrible place is nature.

blimp 05-17-2009 07:32 AM

i reckon i must be mistaken since the japan i live in feels rather real, especially the other day when i accidentally hit an iron bar with my foot. a couple of my toes are still blue.

if indeed u r only joking i apologise. on internet no one hears your irony(!)

AsianAtHeart 05-17-2009 08:03 AM

This is.........nothing new to me.

I think I can safely say alot of us JFers do admire Japan outside of manga/anime or cosplaying.

Pexster 05-17-2009 08:16 AM

Im sure here people know this already. But still thanks for bringing this out for the people who don't know.

ozkai 05-17-2009 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by wasabijuice (Post 717763)
Hi everybodies, I'm new here


I suggest making a list of about 20 words that are the most important for you for wanting to go to, or live in Japan. Take some time now and do it. If in your list of 20 words contain any of the following:

sushi, cute

I welcome all questions, comments and criticisms, please.

I can't agree.

Sushi and cute play a big part within Japan, so big, that Sushi is now part of the Australian culture.

wasabijuice 05-17-2009 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 717836)
I can't agree.

Sushi and cute play a big part within Japan, so big, that Sushi is now part of the Australian culture.

Duly noted, glad people are paying attention.

Firebird 05-17-2009 02:17 PM

My list surely includes: Anime, Manga, Maid, Cute, Sushi

but the bigger part would be: Hiking, Yaeyama-shoto, Hokkaido, Tohoku, Shikoku, Nara, beach, forest, shrine, camping,.....

so i guess i want to see both worlds, or i actually do.
I can only agree and wish that more people would step of the beaten track to see the other side of Japan. Away from Hello Kitty, Yamanote line and 24h internetcafes. Go out and hike the Alps, fly to Okinawa and travel the small Ilands (only the flight is expensive, food and accomodation are really cheap down there), explore the south east coast of Kansai,..... so many beautifull stressfree places!

But still you wouldnt want to miss: one afternoon in Akiba, wandering through the market in Ueno, one night in Shibuya, tempels in Kyoto, Osaka,....


What fascinated me most the last 10 month in this country is the diversity of this country. This country is so rich in contrasts that its sometimes overwhelming. Standing in a street in Tokyo, Mcdonalds on my right and Sega world on my left and seeing some guys in traditional clothes carry a shrine through the middle of the street just left me speechless.


If you want to see "real" Japan, you will have to see both worlds!

ozkai 05-17-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebird (Post 717895)
My list surely includes: Anime, Manga, Maid, Cute, Sushi

but the bigger part would be: Hiking, Yaeyama-shoto, Hokkaido, Tohoku, Shikoku, Nara, beach, forest, shrine, camping,.....

so i guess i want to see both worlds, or i actually do.
I can only agree and wish that more people would step of the beaten track to see the other side of Japan. Away from Hello Kitty, Yamanote line and 24h internetcafes. Go out and hike the Alps, fly to Okinawa and travel the small Ilands (only the flight is expensive, food and accomodation are really cheap down there), explore the south east coast of Kansai,..... so many beautifull stressfree places!

But still you wouldnt want to miss: one afternoon in Akiba, wandering through the market in Ueno, one night in Shibuya, tempels in Kyoto, Osaka,....


What fascinated me most the last 10 month in this country is the diversity of this country. This country is so rich in contrasts that its sometimes overwhelming. Standing in a street in Tokyo, Mcdonalds on my right and Sega world on my left and seeing some guys in traditional clothes carry a shrine through the middle of the street just left me speechless.


If you want to see "real" Japan, you will have to see both worlds!

I missed Anime ..

I also missed bridges:vsign:

ozkai 05-17-2009 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wasabijuice (Post 717859)
Duly noted, glad people are paying attention.

Are you on a role?

Henbaka 05-17-2009 05:49 PM

Hello, I know I haven't posted here in many months, but hey I was bored and I still had the bookmark...

I don't see why Tokyo has to be such a hellhole, I fully enjoy it. I get what you're trying to say OP but you are generalizing too much. Yes ofc you are right in alot of what you say, but alot of people here actually _do_ read a bunch of manga, do cosplay etc etc (and not only sweaty otakus). It is fine to have hobbies and interests (even obsessions), just don't let it harm other people (and don't demand that others should fit into your fantasies).

Personally I like a person who is a little nutty (but still takes care of their shit) way better than a boring stiff who doesn't dare to enjoy their interests.

kageofrock 05-17-2009 06:14 PM

i agree that your raising a valid point but as many people have said i love japan not just for the manga, anime and cosplay but also the chery blossoms, great food, onsen, temples, sake, mountains and the general beauty of the country.

but yeah many people do need to read your post my brother is one of them

AnthraxAttack 05-17-2009 06:16 PM

You have not considered that many people actually seek to the japanese megatropolises, to live in huge, efficient (well, sometimes) and exciting cities.

But i kind of agree with you and see what you are trying to say. Japan is more than Tokyo and cartoons.

Piddy 05-17-2009 06:18 PM

I already knew about this to a part, but now I know more. Thanks, interesting point you made there. When I go to Japan, I'd like to see both "versions".

ChisaChi 05-17-2009 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Henbaka (Post 717920)
Hello, I know I haven't posted here in many months, but hey I was bored and I still had the bookmark...

I don't see why Tokyo has to be such a hellhole, I fully enjoy it. I get what you're trying to say OP but you are generalizing too much. Yes ofc you are right in alot of what you say, but alot of people here actually _do_ read a bunch of manga, do cosplay etc etc (and not only sweaty otakus). It is fine to have hobbies and interests (even obsessions), just don't let it harm other people (and don't demand that others should fit into your fantasies).

Personally I like a person who is a little nutty (but still takes care of their shit) way better than a boring stiff who doesn't dare to enjoy their interests.

I'm going to agree with this - people who go to Japan because they enjoy manga, or think ninjas are cool or want to see the bright lights of Tokyo don't have any less valid reasons than those who want to see the countryside and natural beauty - their views are just different. Yes, obviously there are those who are overly obsessive and have built up an unrealistic expectations based on Japanese pop culture, but it's perfectly possible to like these things and still have a good time in Japan.

I'm an anime/manga fan. I went to Akihabara, Harjuku, Shinjuku, the ninja village recreated in Koka etc. I also went to temples, shrines, mountains, hot springs, gardens and had a great time all round. I know there are extreme and bad examples of anime fans, but that doesn't mean someone who goes to Japan because they are interested in anime and pop culture should just stay at home.

pumpum 05-17-2009 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wasabijuice (Post 717763)
Hi everybodies, I'm new here

I just have to say that its great that a lot of young people are interested in Japan and its culture. However there is a significant portion of the country you are all overlooking. It is the backcountry. Yes there is more to Japan than Tokyo, Shinjuku, Akihabara, Roppongi or those other hell holes. The real Japan lives offf the beaten track in the mountains. The urban areas of Japan comprise only 25% of the land area. Conversely the rural areas comprise 75% and contain only 25% of the population!!! Take a look at a Japan from space picture and you'll see this beautiful green archipelago, not some awful concrete covered heat island that is the Tokyo, Osaka, Nagoya megalopolises. Better yet, take a train ride from the Pacific side to the sea of Japan side and you'll see the most amazing, rugged mountains, and beutiful valleys.

If you go to the real Japan the people are not interested in manga, anime, ninjas or such other crap that most of the people posting here care about.
To think that manga, anime , and ninjas are representative of Japanese culture would be to say that, beer, maple syrup and hockey sticks are representative of Canada. Yes they are part of the culture, but by no means all of it.

In the real Japan you can buy a house for a few thousand dollars! You can rent a house for a free or almost free. (provided you have a visa) But most of you young people here have only a limited idea of the TV image that you see or the internet image. Wake up young people! Get to Japan, travel outside of the hell on earth pressure cooker that is Tokyo and you'll see for yourself. Better yet go to Tokyo or any other major city in August, bring lots of white T-shirts and deodorant, cause your going to need it. Then imagine having to work in this awful heat and humidity, then imagine having to ride your bicycle to work and not turning into a puddle. Imagine yourself crammed into a subway car full of similarly sweaty, balding old guys . Not cool is it now?

I suggest making a list of about 20 words that are the most important for you for wanting to go to, or live in Japan. Take some time now and do it. If in your list of 20 words contain any of the following:

ninja, manga, anime, inuyasha, sushi, cute, hello kitty, cool, last samurai, kawaii, pink, cosplay, maid, youth tribe, Then please stay home.

If however, your list includes any or all of the following words:

nature, beautiful, snow, surf, ocean, beach, Hokkaido, Okinawa, hiking, mountain, outdoors, no cops, no rangers, no rules, cheap, free, inexpensive, healthy food, rent free, cheap rent, Then by all means come and explore the real Japan.

Oh and study Japanese and culture before you get here, keep your voice down and be polite. Leave your longboard and rollerblades in the coin locker in Tokyo. Do a homestay, as well as stay in a dorm or apartment. Stay in some youth hostels and gaijin houses, get a feel for the place before you decide to move. Better yet, get a job offer before you decide to come here , unless you can get a working holiday visa. And by alll means get outside of the megalopolis!! It's cool for a while, but it aint coool forever, trust me.

I welcome all questions, comments and criticisms, please.

Here is my comment - this is probably the best post i have ever seen on JF.

wasabijuice 05-18-2009 12:38 AM

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JBaymore 05-18-2009 12:57 AM

Add into the list for earning about the "other" Japan ......spending some time exploring the incredibly rich arts history and contemporary arts community in Japan.... other than the current media/pop type music and graphics artists that are so overtly popular with the younger folks.

best,

................john

PS: Tohoku is gorgeous!

JBaymore 05-18-2009 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wasabijuice (Post 718097)
Sorry if I was a bit hard on the manga fans, but it had to be said.

灰、そです。 :)

best,

...........john

Larzo 05-18-2009 08:16 AM

I heard that good well paying jobs are hard to get in japan, especially if you're a foreigner. Japan would be a place I'd like to travel to but not live there. I can't give up my sweet lovely home which is Canada.

Yoite 05-18-2009 08:44 AM

On the list of the first post, you forgot to mention the language. That's my main intrest. I want to study there just to be capable of mastering the language in it's own country. And to live there? On the other side on the globe from my family and friends? I'm not so sure about that. And pictures of Tokyo doesn't give me a lot of motivation to live there.

Polar 05-19-2009 01:53 AM

I thoroughly enjoyed myself in Tokyo for two weeks, just walking around and looking at the buildings, subways. Staying in Shinjuku was perfect. It was enough, did I see everything there ? Nope ! I was satisfied though I saw and did what I wanted to and a lot more.

Next year I plan on hitting Osaka.

Japan does offer a lot and I'll echo what the TC said if you go expecting the land of manga, video games and cosplayers you will probably be disappointed. It's there and far more accessible then anywhere else but that's about it.

There is a LOT to see and cramming everything in is a waste IMHO, take your time and see different things, allow yourself to take in what you see.

MMM 05-19-2009 02:28 AM

I think to be a little more clear. If you want to visit Japan to see the home of video games, manga, anime, cosplay, lolita-fashion, visual-kei, and all things kawaii, by all means do it. All of these things exist in ways and volumes you will never find anywhere else in the world.

What I think the OP is saying is that there is so much more to Japan that you are selling yourself short if that's all you are interested in in Japan.

Also, just because Japan is the home of these things doesn't mean that a majority of Japanese people are, but I certainly hope that isn't news to anyone.

ozkai 05-19-2009 02:43 AM

Well put MMM.

I didn't really experience electronics, Manga, Anime, or anything like it.

What I did experience was plnety of senior Japanese friends who oftened joined me and them in night's, lunches out to typical Japanese Izakayas (spelling) green Te in Uji, or Sake in Fushimi.

We received a ticket to see a Kabuki show at the famouse theatre in Kyoto, and also a ticket to for a Maiko dancing show in Gion, Kyoto followed by green tea ceremony all served by Maiko.

My teenage friends, university type, and I would often go out for dinner, which could mean anything from a Thai restaurant to an expensive Japanese in Kiyamatchi Dori, Kyoto.


My first real taste of green tea was me making it! I did a cultural thing with the Nara Girl Guide group. I did it all, encircled by them, when I drank it, I nearly spewed! I held back with a smile and spelled at Omai, and the came the Unko cake to take away the flavour.

For me Japan was friendly people, quiet bike rides, the odd attraction visit, lunch by the river, and working all the other times.

All this could have been because I was living in Kyoto. I don't know.

My main experience with electronics was purchasing an awesome SONY Digital Cam still in use today, and a SONY DSC-T1 small camera when they first came out, once again, still in use today.

I also fell in love with watches, CASIO G-Shock's, the limited edition one's, and I ended up with a cupboard full of them.

Apart from that, I travelled to certain places, namely Kumamoto (wifes home town), Wakayama for short breaks, and the odd experience in love hotels in Osaka which was fun.

One of the things that stuck in my mind was dinner time at Coganoi Hotel in Wakayama. A massive almost Western Style abode, although it really felt like a Japanese home with evryone turning up for dinner in Yukata. We had Sukiyaki that night. Tasteless for me, very poular for other's.

All these breaks meant hiring a car, and driving. I used to thoroughly enjoy that.

I did spend the odd night at a Kyoto city night disco type club, although my age told me that a quiet drink and chat with friends was now for me.

All in all, Japan offfers many different things for different people, all prefectures differ, country, city, coast and inland, wherever one goes, they will see new things.

And last but not least, to anyone thinking of travelling and living in Japan, remember, it is full of culture, try to udnerstand and admire it for what it is with a smile on your face:)

Tsuwabuki 05-19-2009 06:53 AM

I live in the middle of nowhere. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

The cities are nice to visit, but I insist in my mountain views, clean air, and zero traffic.

wasabijuice 05-19-2009 08:51 AM

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Jaydelart 05-19-2009 01:47 PM

I have always been interested in the rural parts of Japan, as well as the urban.
If/When I visit Japan again, I would happily travel the country side; visit some temples and mountains, etc.
I think my introduction through martial arts and illustrative art, instead of anime and manga has something to do with it.

That's not to say I don't like anime and manga, of course.

survivingonrice 05-19-2009 06:22 PM

hmm well good points made but i already knew it...its just that living in a small rural town wouldnt interest me...i love big cities so thats why i would choose to live in one...until i became old and wanted some peace i guess...and its not beacuse of the anime, ect....it could be any big city but tokyo espeiaclly interests me...i dont really know why it just does..

Jaydelart 05-19-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by survivingonrice (Post 719128)
hmm well good points made but i already knew it...its just that living in a small rural town wouldnt interest me...i love big cities so thats why i would choose to live in one...until i became old and wanted some peace i guess...and its not beacuse of the anime, ect....it could be any big city but tokyo espeiaclly interests me...i dont really know why it just does..

There's nothing wrong with loving cities. I love cities too.
Especially the side streets with cozy little restaurants and stores.

survivingonrice 05-20-2009 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaydelart (Post 719195)
There's nothing wrong with loving cities. I love cities too.
Especially the side streets with cozy little restaurants and stores.

lol. i never said there was something wrong with it

strawberryfuzz 05-20-2009 10:06 PM

Well of course. I know there's more to japan than big cities. It's not like i imagine japan being some kind of dream land filled with only anime, jrockers, hello kitty, and ninjas.

hennaz 05-20-2009 10:25 PM

Different people have different reasons for visiting Japan, and yes, there are stereotypes such as manga, anime, ninjas, sushi and all that BS (why didn't we mention Pokemon before?). I visited Japan last year; I only stayed in the Tokyo-Yokohama area, but it was a great experience. I made an independent exchange trip there, and stayed with a Japanese family in a quiet residential area outside Yokohama. I went to a school there for 4 days, and went into Tokyo a few times and Kamakura (this is where a Daibutsu (big bronze Buddha statue) was built. :D
I plan to spend half of my gap year in Japan to teach English, but I also want to get know different parts of Japan besides from Tokyo and Yokohama. If I ask any of my school friends what cities in Japan or Japanese food they know, the only responses would be "Tokyo" and "sushi" respectively (everyone I know seems to think that sushi is nothing but raw fish (that's sashimi, retards, I'd say), I mean what the fck?). I'd like to visit Osaka, Kyoto and Hiroshima during my trip.:)

ozkai 05-21-2009 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by hennaz (Post 719970)
I'd like to visit Osaka, Kyoto and Hiroshima during my trip.:)

Do it!

Lived in Kyoto, vsited Osaka often, great entertainment spot, loads of friends and worked in Nara for most, stopped at Hiroshima, a very interesting city, on the way to Kumamoto driving from Kyoto.

You are going to have the time of your life!!





Jaydelart 05-21-2009 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by survivingonrice (Post 719880)
lol. i never said there was something wrong with it

Lol, I wasn't implying that you did.

kisftw 05-21-2009 02:19 AM

OP, might you contact me?

ozkai 05-21-2009 02:21 AM

Did any of you even bother to look and enjoy my photos?

That was an expensive trip and I really enjoyed renting a new MAZDA ALTEZZA.. Brmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:mtongue:

Jaydelart 05-21-2009 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 720232)
Did any of you even bother to look and enjoy my photos?

That was an expensive trip and I really enjoyed renting a new MAZDA ALTEZZA.. Brmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm:mtongue:

Shaddap~



No, I looked at your photos. They're pretty awesome.
I'd heard about that building before, but I didn't know what it looked like.
It's more "intact" than I thought, that's for sure.


On a side note: That river looks creepy. I used to live in Australia, and where I lived we had a river like that -- except with crocodiles in it.

ozkai 05-21-2009 02:38 AM

Yes, it is amazing how the building stayed upright.

The crocodiles are awesome creature.. Love em:vsign:



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