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10-08-2010, 03:46 AM

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Well, the Japanese employers
At least in American English, "looking for" means you are wanting to be hired. "hiring for" means you are an employer hiring for a position.

I think you are fine with the 3-year degree if that is what is the standard in Australia. I met plenty of Australians, and I don't think they did any extra years.
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10-08-2010, 03:48 AM

Other than english teaching in one form or another there'd be very few Japanese companies looking to hire foreigners. If you have business level Japanese then maybe some Japanese companies that have overseas clients might be looking for someone with native english.
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10-08-2010, 04:03 AM

O...k....

So I guess just the thought of moving to Japan is really really difficult.....

Isn't Japan just like any other country? If you want to live there, you gotta have a degree, be fluent in Japanese, etc?

I am thinking of looking for a host family(homestay). What is the best use of this? I mean, what do people normally do while living with a host family? Are they on holidays? Or maybe they are looking for a job?

So basically what do people do if they live with a host family?
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10-08-2010, 04:33 AM

Japan isn't exactly like any other country. If it was why would you specifically want to come live here?

One thing to note is that Japan doesn't really have immigration as such. Certainly not like it is in say Australia, where I'm from, which has an annual immigration intake of well over 100,000 people. They just don't really do that here. They'll let you stay if you have a sponsored work visa or you get married to a Japanese national.
Generally these days you'll only be able to get a 1 year sponsored work visa that can easily be renewed each year through the same company or another one. After 3 years with the same company they'll normally grant you a 3 year visa. If you haven't married a Japanese national during that time you'll need to be here approximately 10 years before you can apply for permanent residency.

There are lots of foreign owned companies with branches in major cities throughout Japan and it is these companies that you'll have a decent chance of getting a job that is not english teaching related. Having fluent Japanese is often not essential at all at these companies. Conversational ability is often enough.

It's not incredibly hard to get jobs here but you're not just going to walk into jobs that a Japanese national could do just as easily. This is why most opportunities are either in the english teaching field or with foregn owned companies.

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10-08-2010, 04:56 AM

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Other than english teaching in one form or another there'd be very few Japanese companies looking to hire foreigners. If you have business level Japanese then maybe some Japanese companies that have overseas clients might be looking for someone with native english.
you are telling me that japanese businessmen are stupid?
it souds like it...
anyone in business with his brain cells working knows to hire more qualified workforce.
sounds like japan is a special case from the rest of the world were ones skills and abilities are not a higher value to the company than being a native worker.
if they are as you say - not interested in foreigners - then, well, thats just stupid on so many levels.

so....im going on a leap and say you actually dont have a clue about things like that
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10-08-2010, 05:05 AM

well I guess your many years of living and working here has helped to inform your opinion

If you think I'm wrong then ok see if you can find any foreigners on the boards or are CEO's of any publicly listed Japanese companies. Good luck!
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10-08-2010, 05:51 AM

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O...k....

So I guess just the thought of moving to Japan is really really difficult.....

Isn't Japan just like any other country? If you want to live there, you gotta have a degree, be fluent in Japanese, etc?

I am thinking of looking for a host family(homestay). What is the best use of this? I mean, what do people normally do while living with a host family? Are they on holidays? Or maybe they are looking for a job?

So basically what do people do if they live with a host family?
If I can do it, anyone can. Host families are generally for students, not for working folks. You can't really come to Japan and look for a job and expect to be hired. Most people are recruited in their home country and then movie to Japan. Look at things like the JET Program.


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you are telling me that japanese businessmen are stupid?
it souds like it...
anyone in business with his brain cells working knows to hire more qualified workforce.
sounds like japan is a special case from the rest of the world were ones skills and abilities are not a higher value to the company than being a native worker.
if they are as you say - not interested in foreigners - then, well, thats just stupid on so many levels.

so....im going on a leap and say you actually dont have a clue about things like that
That's not what he said at all. Japan is not Europe where you have dozens of countries all crowded together with open borders. Japan is an island country that was literally separated from the rest of the world for hundreds of years. No one asked you to like it.

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10-08-2010, 06:10 AM

Just trying to give people a realistis idea of what it's like to try and work in Japan. If you're wanting a job in a career related to what you are studying in your home country (outside of the english teaching sphere) then you'll struggle to get a job with a Japanese company unless you have business level Japanese or a specialist skill not commonly found in Japan. To secure a sponsored work visa for you a Japanese company will have to be reasonably convincing that a Japanese national can't be found who could do the job just as well. They have to justify hiring a foreigner.
That's not to say you can't get a job here. You'll just probably end up working for a foreign owned company that has branches in Japan. As MMM points out most positions if you don't already have a working visa will need to be applied for from your home country. You can do what I did and use an english teaching job just as a stepping stone to get the visa and then move on to things you'd prefer to do.
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10-08-2010, 08:37 AM

jesus..
my main point was that people make it sound illogical - you can be only in the IT or english teaching.
any company should be interested in qualified people without caring what nation they are from.
anyone should be able to work anywhere in their respective fields as long as language isnt a problem...
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10-08-2010, 08:54 AM

Just because what you're suggesting makes complete logical sense doesn't mean that's how it is done in Japan.
I completely agree with you though. Certianly in Australia top executive positions in major companies are advertised worldwide seeking the best of the best. Many of the top positions in the biggest companies are held by non Australians because of this.
In Japan though there is still a pretty strong culture of promoting from within the company. Also top executives in Japan are paid only a fraction of what is normal in major international companies. CEO's at Japans 100 biggest companies only average something like $1.5 million dollars a year. The average in the top 100 companies in the US is nearly 10 times that. So even if Japan did seek out the best of the best for executive positions in their companies (which they don't) then I don't think there'd be all that many interested.
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