female friend wanted-hostess work and housemate
 

Hi

I arrive in Tokyo in March 2008. I want to work full t ime as a teacher but also want to do some part time hostess work. As I am new to this I am looking for a fellow female who wants to share a house and do some hostess work!
Let me know
Thanks

Do you already have a work visa?

no, but i am planning on getting a teaching job and visa before i arrive

Might be quite tough now - as nova went bust, there are more teachers than jobs now I would imagine!

i know thats what I am thinking but i am hoping by March everything will have settled down

wow... you're you're pretty brave to live with a complete stranger in a new country.. it's something that i wouldn't recommend, but it's your life.

raverboy

Hostess... If I could just talk and act like an idiot to get money, I would so do it. Wait a sec, I already do. Except I call it teaching.

Why would you lower yourself to that level?

Death of a Hostess - TIME

What does a hostess do exactly?

They are paid to sit around and stroke the egos of drunk people. Both men and women frequent host and hostess clubs nowadays but mostly men. They are basically the modern form of geisha. That is really the best way to put it except a lot less culturally enriching. And there are a lot of gaijin doing it too.

its quick money .. that's the simplest reason of it all ..

There are all kinds of hostesses and all kinds of bars. What you see on TVs and in the movies...retardedly overpriced swanky clubs with girls in evening gowns filling drinks and, like you said, stroking egos, certainly exists.

But pound for pound, that's not what most hostesses are doing. Most are behind the counters in very small snack bars. Same thing: mixing drinks and stroking egos. However, in my experience, a lot of the girls are in the business to look for a husband, or just to make ends meet. The "glamorous" part is being the rich customer. There isn't nearly the glamour for the hostess (or host, for that matter). Sure there are dates and gifts...but nothing in life is free.

I don't know, I have never heard of a gaijin going to Japan specifically to be a hostess. I think I have a higher opinion of the position than Jasonbvr, but it's kind of like saying I want to move to Korea to be a waitress.

It's good money, but it ain't quick.

there might be some who have "good" intention working as hostess, but most of them "extort" from "stupid" men/women who want to boost their egos :p

and yes it is quick money, though you need to have a lots of talent "stroking" the customers :D

I know what I said is unfairly slamming on the girls working these places when it should be directed at the business itself. My opinion of hostesses stems from how I perceive Japan's sex industry in general, a bunch of sleaze. I don't exactly feel that these sorts of businesses are improving Japan's sexual health and women's status in society. I can understand the driving force behind it, a history of geishas who were in my opinion very talented (as in like musically and socially gifted) prostitutes and like samokan points out easy money. But I still find the practice in general and the businesses associated with them such as massage parlors and soap lands to be degrading to women.

Most foreigners working as hostesses are from the Phillipines, Eastern Europe, China and other Asian countries. And not that the hostess industry is to blame for it, but Japan does have a problem with human trafficking. Some girls come over and their passports are taken from them. Then they become virtual prisoners in black market brothels. Some are beaten and psychologically abused. Told that they will be in big trouble if the government finds out they are in the country illegally.

To me, the hostess industry is the most visible part of what I see as Japan's sex industry. This is basically the cause of my negative views of hostesses.

I think you aren't being fair. Most hostesses are students and young women that don't want to work in an office pouring coffee. A lot of them didn't graduate from college, which really isn't as important for some women in Japan.

In my experience, hostesses are not exploiting thieves (the bar-owners, maybe). They are people doing a job in a service industry that exists in Japan, but not in other places around the world. I see most hostesses as the same as waitresses and ticket vendors. They work in the service industry. Some are better than others...

The hostess industry is so wide-reaching and spread out, I think both of you are being a little unfair.

What you are talking about certainly happens, but I do not associate a snack bar with any part of the sex industry in Japan. I don't want to go into my own personal business, but let me say I have a pretty good understanding and experience of how snacks work and the different kinds of shops, and the majority are very small operations where the women never even come from behind the counter. You are paying for companionship, yes...but not sexual companionship. All of the mamas I know would be pissed if a girl slept with a customer. It's against the rules. Once she sleeps with the guy, what's the mysterious allure?

I agree with your thoughts about the sex industry, but hostesses aren't whores.

I've never seen a hostess club advertise their amazing takoyaki. It is always these slick dudes or yakuza looking thugs showing you pictures of their girls. Of the friends I have that patronize these places, none of them are going in there to drop 70 to 100 dollars on just shochu and water.

I respect your opinion MMM and understand where you are coming from, but I still don't find anything appealing about snack bars, hostess clubs, massage parlors and soap lands. I see the differences between them, but I still don't find it the least bit healthy.

Those sorts of places certainly exist. My point is that the cabaret style of those places (Let me guess...really big...lotsa mirrors...lotsa of sunken couches...lotsa girls) are the minority. Sure they exist. But do you blame the guy making your fries for how unhealthy McDonald's is?

I am not saying you should. Gaijin and snack bars really don't go well together. Hostess clubs, too. The other items on that list are grey-zone prostitution, and you are totally right, not a positive part of society.

I am just saying don't call hostesses whores because the majority of them are honest girls just trying to live. That's all.

im not saying that all hostess are whores as i said ive met some girls who work honestly in the business but majority are. Ive meet a lot of girls work honestly as part-time hostesses cause they need "fast cash" without pouring coffee in the office, or cleaning toilets.. but some are just in for the money they can extort

unless I know the real reason why they enter that kind of job, I don't have much respect for them. I don't judge, its their lives and their business but its only my right not to respect them till I got to know them

Im actually glad that Japan close the entertainment ( clubs, etc) business who recruit girls from my country ( Philippines ) but unfortunately I think it did more damage than good. There are already some who resort to marriage-for-convenience just to be able to get a spousal visa here and be able to work and not just from my country but others as well.

Very well then, I apologize for my derogatory comment made earlier and will edit the post. Even though a ho is not whore, they are both derogatory terms and shouldn't have been said. My bad.

Samokan, I will be very careful about how I phrase the next few sentences.

One of my best drinking buddies in Osaka was from the Phillipines. He would take me to Phillipine hostess clubs all the time (he seemed to have "relatives" at each one, and somehow we always got a discount, so I never complained). These were loud, obnoxious, and really fun places. But I did sense that the girls there were desperately looking to find a husband quick.

I didn't "sense" it...I knew it. Becaue they told me.

Please don't take offense if I say that foreign hostesses and Japanese hostesses are two different entities.

You say the majority of hostesses in Japan are whores. I am saying that is simply not true.

A whore is a woman who is payed for sex. Hostesses are not paid for sex. Hostesses are conversationalists, bartenders, and companions all-in-one. Ask a hostess for a date, and she'll tell you "Come back to my bar next time I work, and I'll think about it." That's not a whore.

I don't know why so many Filipino women work as hostesses in Japan. Are they recruited? I don't know. But there is a difference between a Filipino hostess bar and a Japanese snack. I can't speak about the Filipino girls you are talking about, but in my experience, they weren't whores, either. They were looking for husbands, yes...but not accepting money for sex.

I am not asking you to change it. And I totally understand your position. Snacks have a bad rep among gaijin as a rip-off...and for social people, they totally are a rip-off. But for lonely single salary-men who never got married and have money to burn, spending a few thousand yen to have a guaranteed friend you can talk to any night of the week is more than worth it. THAT is what is the backbone of the snack bar world.

Yeah, there seems to be a lot of those socially inept types in Japan. I'm not trying to Japan bash or anything, it's just an obversation. You get them in an English class and it's like, what do I do with this person? They can barely maintain a conversation in Japanese much less English.

I don't think there is are many vehicles to teach social interaction in Japan. It's too easy to be a wallflower. For example, there aren't social events at schools like dances, which are a big petri dish for learning how to talk to the opposite sex. Less women in Japan today are going to college to meet men, and are going to learn a career. Suddenly these guys are 35 and realize they have never talked to a girl before.

Hostessing...
 

I was just wondering, I know it's illegal to work as a hostess on a working holiday visa, but if you have a proper work visa and want to work part-time as a hostess as-well...is that legal? I can't find anything saying whether it is or not on a work visa...

depends on the girl. officially server drinks ... unofficially ... well, you do the math.

Officially, no, it is not. Snack bars cannot sponsor visas. Unofficially, you will never get caught as long as you show up for work at your real job.

You obviouslly didn't read the whole thread, but that's OK.

What do hostesses do "officially" is serve drinks and give attentive conversation.

What they really do is sell the fantasy that you have a chance with her. You can go on a date with a hostess, maybe after visiting her bar several times (probably a dozen or more) but chances are it will be before she goes to work, and you will finish the night at her club.

I'll say again. Hostesses are not whores. You guys all have this impression that hostess clubs and snack bars are whore houses, and if you go into one thinking so, you will be severely disappointed. Oh, you'll have a great time, and a lot of drink and a lot of phone numbers...but you aren't going to get laid.

I am heading to Tokyo in March 2009 and am planning on doing some work as a hostess. I have had some communication with a club in Ginza that seems ok but obvioulsly I don't really know. I don't have accommodation organised yet and some accommodation can be organised through the club. What would your recommendation be about taking up this accommodation? Any other tips?

for some reason... it's big in japan :confused:. I guess its for the loners.

In what capacity will you be going to Japan? I am assuming this is a club that specializes in foreign girls if they have apartments already set up. I can't say whether I recommend it or not, but I would expect the accommodations to be very small and cramped and you might be sharing a room.

Not necessarily. Some of my best nights in Japan were in snack bars. I could afford it, so it was no biggee.

whatever floats ur boat mate :p lol

Cute girls pouring drinks within walking distance of my apartment. Sometimes it was hard to resist.

lol ye they are cute, but when you think about it... you are paying them. What did they really think of you?. :rolleyes:

That link from previously gives a good insight into the thoughts of hostesses, maybe worth a read?.

I think I have a good idea how hostesses think.

I never concerned myself so much with what the hostesses thought of me because I wasn't there to get dates, I was there to drink alcohol and have some fun with like-minded people.

lol well have fun ;).

This was 10+ years ago...but I did have fun...less exciting pastures for me now.