The world is full of all kinds of people and all kinds of belief systems. No need to attack her just because you don't have the same belief system.

And this is not on topic. No one is going to change anyone's fundamental beliefs on JF, so don't even try.

Where is the 'attack'?? I couldn't care less what she decides to do for herself but don't try and make out that it's somehow a morally superior position to hold.

And threads do evolve and branch out from the original topic over time. Should we start a new thread every single time this happens?

BS really?
 

first off you need to calm the F down! if your so sure aids in africa can be wiped out with condoms i suggest you take a large shipment over there or write a letter to the UN instead of complaining about it here, you obviously seem to know alot more about how not to get an STD then i do, so i guess i cant argue with you on that one - and to be honest i dont think i wanna know how you know more then me on that one either.

in my opinion (and get where i said MY OPINION) using a condom is not a good enough reason to go around having multiple sexual partners, esp in a country where they struggle to buy food let alone a friggin trojan. maybe instead if they were just faithful to one person (guessing that people dont find that morally repulsive anymore either) there would be alot less STD's being spread around esp if they cant afford to buy a condom aswell.

secondly...

''what the F. was the bs about coming in and out of the cities?''

i saw a documentary on channel 4 in the uk that ONE of the reasons (note i sed one and not main) is that lorry drivers who transport goods from cities in to villages have unprotected sex with young girls (mostly all underage) who prostitute themselves, to these truck drivers who subsequently pass the virus onto their other sexual partners. in addition to this (and this may disappoint you because it doesnt involve any christians) alot of illegal immigrants who are predominantly farm workers ''have multiple sexual partners in South Africa and have irregular (get this) CONDOM USE'' (so they DO USE them!!!). and since you think i know nothing about this, i got you a link from 'the south african regional poverty network' website so you can read what they wrote after conducting studies in africa and not just take my word for it...

LINK: SARPN - HIV/AIDS

also one of the main reasons that aids is spreading is because people have multiple partners and unprotected sex not because they are christians and dont use condoms! in addition to that they have access to the condoms but dont bother using them! for example a quote from the website which confirms the channel 4 doc i watched 'sex workers are often of school-going age and rarely insist on condom use' (not because their christians!!)

thirdly their are plenty of other predominantly christian countries in the world and alot of them dont have the same problems as africa has, so i dont think that your theory of religon destroying africa is a viable one. in fact religon encourges people to stay faithful to one person and not have multiple partners so incase u cant buy condoms you dont have a problem with spreading STD's becoz ull only ever be with one person anyway!

lack of condom use and promiscuity go hand in hand (not just according to me but to the studies aswell), where people cant afford to buy condoms and not everybody can maybe they shud stick to one person or keep their bloody legs closed and the pants zipped (its easier and its free).

BTW thanks MMM for sticking up for me

I guess what is normal speaking to you comes across as rather direct and condescending.

Where's the attack? Hmm?

And, please, did I say that anyone was morally superior to anyone else? Please don't put words in my mouth.

That wasn't directed at you.

And yes I guess us Aussies often are rather direct. If I were to attack someone on this forum believe me it would be a lot more colourful than my comments above! :D

Keep in mind what is normal Aussie speak sounds like attacks to non-Aussies. I think things might go better from here on out.

even if it was directed at me which im guessing it was, i never at any point sed that i felt morally higher then anyone else, moreover with ur very 'direct' way of writing here which MMM gave great examples of (thanks) i could say that you feel you have a morally higher stance then most people here. esp since im not the only one who felt like u were being rather 'forward' and somewhat brash.

wow. well if it's like you said - you've "actually seen a program on it" then it must be true. :D

you are involving all christians when i'm only talking about what happens in africa.
1. no no and no. they dont have access to condoms and those very few who do have option HAVE to face the christian belief system that's there and often they can't go against it. how could they? no education no nothing - they probably don't even know wtf is STD.
2. how many partners? who cares? in the city on average it is normal to have had 9 different sexual partners - there are some who have had also only 1 (few of those) and those who have had 25. sooo....why aren't cities just haveing corpses on the corners of the streets? ill help you answer :cool:
2.1 freedom from religion - free choice to make in what you belive. only if you let them one can be told not to use condoms but not forced to.
2.2 since people are far more educated they understand that by using a condom doesn't matter with how many ppl. they sleep with.
2.3 ou snap! we do actually have them unlike them.

sooo...go and be virgin and stop saying the dumbest things about the part of the world that you have gotten to know via one tv show.

P.S having had multiple sexual partners actually is smarter when it comes to marriage. if people are experienced the sex is going to be that much better and the marriage life will benefit greatly and there wouldn't be so many divorces.

Just out of curiosity....where are you getting all of this nonsense from?
Africa's HIV rate isn't due to religion, ignorance or lack of condoms.
The primary cause of the rapid spread in HIV is nothing more than poverty.
Condoms are readily available throughout Africa. But guess what, condoms aren't 100% effective. It takes nothing less than a small hole in it to render it useless.

HIV spreads because people living in third world countries don't have the facilities/means to seek proper medical advice/aid constantly. As a result, the virus spreads far and wide. Some people can live and die without even knowing they're infected. That's the reality of the matter....NOT religion.

Your nonsense is abhorrent to be honest. Especially for someone who's talking so confidently about something so baseless.
If religion was such a huge factor on who gets/does not get infected with HIV, then the numbers would dwindle wouldn't they? After all, according to you, the citizens of Africa are so illiterate that they follow Christianity blindly. If that were the case, they wouldn't be engaging in sex out of wedlock now would they?

Even people with HIV in America can barely afford the medical support to keep the virus in check... Africa is just a victim of poverty.

I think there's a bit more to it than just poverty but poverty and education are definitely huge issues. There are also many cultural and traditional practices which have assisted the spread of the disease as well.

A couple of links to some of the factors that have made the spread of AIDS in Africa so much more than in other regions of the world. The 1st one is a bit dated but from the 2nd article almost 20 years later it appears the same issues are persisting.

Cultural practices contributing to the transmission of HIV in Africa

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/21/wo...1cameroon.html