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Originally Posted by clintjm
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What immigration reform did you have in mind?
The police must stop suspects with a primary offense as always; this hasn't changed. One must have identification in his or her possession when driving.
As for when not driving: Failure to provide identification to a police officer can be considered interfering with the officer's performance of their duties, which can get you in trouble. In any state you aren't required to carry an ID. However, the Supreme Court said that withholding ID from a police officer is not a protected activity under the 1st Amendment.
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Yes other than driving you are not required to carry ID. If asked to produce one and you refuse thats another matter. Obstructing a police officers duties is never warranted that includes withholding your ID. If you are doing nothing wrong then you have nothing to fear.
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Until the illegal alien issue is solved, authorities must go after those who are thought to be illegals. The fact is the illegal aliens in that area are Hispanic; just as Asian illegals are in other places. If you are being stopped 3 or 4 times a week for a primary offense then this person has other issues.
This is the same double standard presented when additional searches when Americans have to fly; even domestically.
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Yes i agree which is why i sympathize with both parties. We have police who abuse power under normal circumstances. This will be no different there will be that one officer who has a chip on his shoulder or is biased against Latino's and he will stop and question more latinos than he will anyone else. Like i said given the location and demographic it cant be help. Yes its a double standard and it cant be helped but it does not make it right.
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They can use the ER and other government services without paying in the end. With millions of illegals doing this, it adds up. If a SSN is required, a fake one can be provided. Other forms of welfare other than cash are being used. Illegals don't pay income taxes if they are being paid under the table or provided an fake SSN.
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They can use the ER but this is the same right as we would give to any other person who happen to be in the country not just Latino's. If a person is hit by a car and they happen to be German the result will be the same someone still has to pay for it and because of the sheer amount of Latinos in the country yes it does add up. If they have a fake Social Security Number and card and are employed by a company and are not being paid under the table they are paying income taxes.
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This doesn't make a lick of sense
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It does iv read several articles and statical data on it. I failed to say in my original post that this only pertains to those illegals who are not paid under the table. If you are working for a US company and are receiving a paycheck you are required to pay taxes. These people are still illegal but have a fake SSN and SS card. Taxes are taking out of their check ever cycle just like citizens. The differences is the illegals do not write anything off nor do they claim anything hence they pay more income taxes. They also do receive a return and not eligible for any tax breaks. The reason being is if they deduct too much the government will focus on that individual harder and increase the chances they will be caught with a fake SSN. If you are over paying your taxes the government wont look twice at you try not paying what you owe thats a different story. However, that in itself is still a problem because it still takes away jobs from Americans because they work for cheaper pay. Im sorry i dont have the sources at the moment as i am at work but i will post them once i get home.
I am not excusing their behavior they are still here illegally and if caught should be deported. But there are many misconceptions about illegals that only add fuel to the fire. I also dont agree with the amnesty that we give to some because they dont have the skills to be productive in our workforce and even if your child was born here i believe at least 1 of your parents needs to be a US citizen for the child to be counted as one because there are too many cases where parents are deported but the child is left behind breaking up the family. What good does it do to deport the family but leave the children. Sometimes they are put into the lottery for a green car or given amnesty.
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Yet you don't want authorities to prove they are here legally by simply asking for ID if you are involved in questionable activity. How do you ID these illegals? What is you solution to the illegals that are here? Arizona isn't doing this for attention, they are doing it because they have to.
Many Arizonians welcome this and will consent to providing ID if they can get some control back, lower the crime rate and perhaps be able to help domestic employment.
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Im not saying they are doing it for attention, i believe in democracy if 80% of people are for this bill in their state then majority rules. I might not agree with it but if its made law then its the law and all should abide by it. There is no way to identify the illegals without asking for ID of course. However, on the flip side i bet a Canadian wont have the same problem a Latino will even if said Canadian is illegal its that pesky double standard again. My concern is for Latino US citizens who may be harassed over this law because they are Latino and happen to live in Arizona.
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Until the borders are secured, the U.S. has to jail those whom break MORE than just crossing the border illegally because they are dangerous and will just re-cross the border and repeat if they don't.
It is true that keeping dangerous criminals in jail is a drain on the system but what is the alternative.
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I wish i had an answer there is no quick fix and the federal government has done nothing to solve the problem. I do believe that people should be able to immigrate here through legal means. I do not believe anyone has the right to be here illegally. But what im worried about the most right now is what will the backlash be from this bill. I have not read the bill yet so im not sure of all that it entails. I know here MD when a cop stops or pulls anyone over they are required to document every encounter including race. In the end Arizona is doing what they feel is best for their state and i cant fault them for that.