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Ronin4hire 05-25-2009 08:26 PM

North Korea's nuclear test
 
OK I'll start it.

channelnewsasia.com - World fury over North Korea nuclear bomb test

Quote:

WASHINGTON: North Korea's nuclear bomb test drew stern rebukes on Monday from global leaders with US President Barack Obama warning of "grave" danger and Israel stressing "negative implications" in the Middle East.

South Korea put its military on alert and world powers frustrated by failed diplomatic efforts to rein in Pyongyang demanded a firm response ahead of a United Nations' Security Council emergency meeting later Monday in New York.

Even China, the secretive North's closest international ally, expressed "resolute opposition".

The North Korean explosion - an underground blast the size of a mid-sized earthquake, according to seismologists - was a much bigger follow-up to its first nuclear test in 2006.

It came amid reports that Pyongyang also tested a short-range missile.

"North Korea's nuclear ballistic missile programmes pose a grave threat to the peace and security of the world and I strongly condemn their reckless actions," Obama said in a statement.
What are people's reactions?

My thoughts?

The Korean war never ended and this is the result of decades of appeasement and attempted reconciliation. What we are dealing with is an oppressive regime with no regard for it's own citizens.

We've been waiting for North Korea's regime to implode for a long time... It's not going to happen anytime soon.

If the US is considering attacking North Korea then it should do so soon before North Korea actually acquires the technology to deliver a nuclear payload.

I would wholeheartedly support an attack on North Korea.

RockettE26 05-25-2009 08:38 PM

I saw this today and all I could do is frown and shake my head. I'm not too smart about politics or the codes they use on Fox News, however I saw something like B/W blah blah and Japan. I questioned it, but got no reply. Gods I don't remember exactly what it said. :(

I honestly wish something could be done. I know they mentioned that this guy (like I said I suck with politics) is cruel enough to give Osama weapons and nuclear bombs and so on. Which scares me a bit. Japan is my second home, a place I will always worry about when it comes to that stuff, even if I am in the US.

So I do hope something comes good out of this new president and he stops this idiot.

xYinniex 05-25-2009 10:14 PM

it's been described as a weapon as powerful as the bombs that dropped in japan all those year ago. I'd say it's pretty darn dangerous.

China, whose usually its ally is also expressing concerns and warnings, or so i've also heard.

Kim Jong Il=MADMAN.

iPhantom 05-25-2009 10:24 PM

I want a video. Is there any?

fluffy0000 05-26-2009 03:09 AM

again sorta not
 
Before you go ahead and attack another country you should do your homework and not march off to war wether that's spreading democracy or ridding the world of another terrorist threat? Seoul , South Korea is well within range of North Korean Artillery and it is estimated without even unleashing it's nuclear arsenal, the North Koreans could reduce the capital of South Korea to rubble within minutes. If you would like to cheerlead from the sidelines from the comfort and safety behind your computer,I'm sure the people of both North and South Korea will find comfort in it, after the rubble has stopped bouncing.

komitsuki 05-26-2009 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fluffy0000 (Post 722343)
Before you go ahead and attack another country you should do your homework and not march off to war wether that's spreading democracy or ridding the world of another terrorist threat? Seoul , South Korea is well within range of North Korean Artillery and it is estimated without even unleashing it's nuclear arsenal, the North Koreans could reduce the capital of South Korea to rubble within minutes. If you would like to cheerlead from the sidelines from the comfort and safety behind your computer,I'm sure the people of both North and South Korea will find comfort in it, after the rubble has stopped bouncing.

Correct.

And the South Korean politics itself isn't in a good shape to antagonize against North Korea. As a South Korean, methinks if South Korea, Japan, or USA suddenly invade North Korea... South Korea will have a huge civil war along with North Korea's invasion.

Anyway I support Ronin4hire to volunteer the invasion of North Korea. Give him a ticket to South Korea or China, a rifle and a bottle of beer, boys. :rheart:

*salutes to Ronin4hire*

Ronin4hire 05-26-2009 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fluffy0000 (Post 722343)
Before you go ahead and attack another country you should do your homework and not march off to war wether that's spreading democracy or ridding the world of another terrorist threat? Seoul , South Korea is well within range of North Korean Artillery and it is estimated without even unleashing it's nuclear arsenal, the North Koreans could reduce the capital of South Korea to rubble within minutes. If you would like to cheerlead from the sidelines from the comfort and safety behind your computer,I'm sure the people of both North and South Korea will find comfort in it, after the rubble has stopped bouncing.

I'm well aware of that. It's why I suggested that someone in Washington, Seoul and Tokyo needs to make a tough decision.

But as an alternative to long-term appeasement I think it's better the US, SK and Japan strike now before things get worse.

It's all I'm saying... unless you can suggest a better long term solution.

komitsuki 05-26-2009 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 722368)
But as an alternative to long-term appeasement I think it's better the US, SK and Japan strike now before things get worse.

But the long-term appeasement has been working very well in South Korea's perspective and the South Korean public will never think of proposing a military action against North Korea.

Just go with the flow: appeasement to North Korea forever and ever; better than a terrifying war that can kill over half of South Koreans... or North Korea waging a war and kill a huge number of their own civilians up north with AK-47s.

We know how North Korea treat their own civilians. And North Korea will treat them even worse when they are at a total war. The American and South Korean government know this and they are wise enough to not even consider a war with North Korea.

The American force's Yongsan base is already within the artillery range from North Korea. And it is an important hub of American force stationed in South Korea.

It is a bad time to start a war, eh? Especially when almost all of South Koreans are paying homage to a ex president who commited suicide... and he was a very North-Korean-American-friendly president.

Rest in Peace, President Roh... appeasing both America and North Korea in a very difficult fine line, without trying to offend Japan and China.

Ronin4hire 05-26-2009 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by komitsuki (Post 722346)
Correct.

And the South Korean politics itself isn't in a good shape to antagonize against North Korea. As a South Korean, methinks if South Korea, Japan, or USA suddenly invade North Korea... South Korea will have a huge civil war along with North Korea's invasion.

Anyway I support Ronin4hire to volunteer the invasion of North Korea. Give him a ticket to South Korea or China, a rifle and a bottle of beer, boys. :rheart:

*salutes to Ronin4hire*

I hadn't factored in South Korean domestic politics. I'm assuming that the South Koreans have their shit together...

If there really is that much sympathy towards the North Koreans though then perhaps the US needs to wash its hands of the Korean peninsula altogether and just focus on protecting Japan.

komitsuki 05-26-2009 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 722371)
I hadn't factored in South Korean domestic politics. I'm assuming that the South Koreans have their shit together...

Not since the 1950s. Ah, my parents still remember when South Korea was a de facto undemocratic Socialist country that was officially approved by the American government.

Quote:

If there really is that much sympathy towards the North Koreans though then perhaps the US needs to wash its hands of the Korean peninsula altogether and just focus on protecting Japan.
South Korea makes effort to lean America-friendly AND express some respect and appeasement to North Korea with low level civil cooperations. It is because North Korea is South Korea's other brother.

I agree with US military to get out of South Korea... and Japan. But most of the US bases are at Okinawa, how will that protect Japan's Home Islands against the possible North Korean threat?


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