What is your opinion on immigrants?

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by RealJames

Since we seem to have been given a 2nd chance on this thread I'm going to take the high road and say;

This post from you makes me want to retort with a violent anti-America post.

Canada is a great example of how multiculturalism works very well, even with large numbers of immigrants. The argument of assimilate or war is so broken I can hardly entertain it.

If all the immigrants in America were just as educated as the Americans already there, then they'd get the better jobs and then we'd be complaining that all the educated white folk are flipping burgers because Mohammed is willing to work for half the money, yeah? Then you'd also have a different problem with a significant portion of the working class of America sending it's income to support family members back home, who don't meet the requirements to enter, and so American currency deflates to garbage and the cost of everything goes up, a lot.

And who would be committing the crimes?

America needs it's relatively poor immigrants for it's power, just as it needed slaves, and as it needed "free" land.

The number of immigrants in Canada is minute when compared to that of the US. The number of illegal immigrants residing in America is more than 18 million, or more than half the total population of Canada. If you add first generation legal immigrants, the number far exceeds the total population of Canada. Even on a general percentage of population, the number of immigrants in America is roughly triple that of Canada.

Prime Minister David Cameron of the UK stated flatly that "multiculturalism has failed".

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France stated flatly that "multiculturalism has failed".

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany stated more than flatly that "multiculturalism has utterly failed".

The problem with multiculturalism is the quality of the cultures being introduced. In some cultures, beating or killing your wife or daughter is perfectly acceptable. Should this type of culture be acceptable in America or Europe? Some cultures disdain education, and the high school drop out rate in America from these cultures is more than 50%. Should this kind of culture become the norm in America or Europe?

I worked in law enforcement for 10 years, the number of immigrants arrested and imprisoned in America is highly disproportionate. Although recent immigrants to America make up about 5% of the population, they are responsible for roughly 15% of of murders committed in the country. In terms of all forms of crime, the number is 20%, meaning that immigrants are 3 to 4 times more likely to commit crimes than non-immigrants. Though recent immigrants make up only 5% of the US population, they represent 27% of all criminals incarcerated in the federal prison system.

[Ryzorian]

It's the same thing with "diversity", the whole idea is silly. The root word of diversity is Divide. Your Multicultural gambit is failing because your deliberately pointing out the differences between everyone. Assimulatation means people come together and form a cohisive union. You can't have unity with divison. You must have a "Primary" national culture that everyone who migrates to that country agrees to become a part of, in order to maintain a civillization.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

It's the same thing with "diversity", the whole idea is silly. The root word of diversity is Divide. Your Multicultural gambit is failing because your deliberately pointing out the differences between everyone. Assimulatation means people come together and form a cohisive union. You can't have unity with divison. You must have a "Primary" national culture that everyone who migrates to that country agrees to become a part of, in order to maintain a civillization.

That sounds very mathematical and logical, and I wonder if it exists anywhere outside of North Korea, (which is not being maintained in any way).

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

The number of immigrants in Canada is minute when compared to that of the US. The number of illegal immigrants residing in America is more than 18 million, or more than half the total population of Canada. If you add first generation legal immigrants, the number far exceeds the total population of Canada. Even on a general percentage of population, the number of immigrants in America is roughly triple that of Canada.

Prime Minister David Cameron of the UK stated flatly that "multiculturalism has failed".

President Nicolas Sarkozy of France stated flatly that "multiculturalism has failed".

Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany stated more than flatly that "multiculturalism has utterly failed".

The problem with multiculturalism is the quality of the cultures being introduced. In some cultures, beating or killing your wife or daughter is perfectly acceptable. Should this type of culture be acceptable in America or Europe? Some cultures disdain education, and the high school drop out rate in America from these cultures is more than 50%. Should this kind of culture become the norm in America or Europe?

I worked in law enforcement for 10 years, the number of immigrants arrested and imprisoned in America is highly disproportionate. Although recent immigrants to America make up about 5% of the population, they are responsible for roughly 15% of of murders committed in the country. In terms of all forms of crime, the number is 20%, meaning that immigrants are 3 to 4 times more likely to commit crimes than non-immigrants. Though recent immigrants make up only 5% of the US population, they represent 27% of all criminals incarcerated in the federal prison system.

That's just completely bullsh*t.

Culture isn't defined by "beating your wife or daughter" or the "disdain of education".

Culture itself is a work in progress.

And like I said before.. the leaders of France, Germany and the UK are elected conservative party leaders of their governments, giving speeches to their base.

It would be like quoting George Bush saying "Mission Accomplished" and taking his word for it on his authority.

As for your experience in law enforcement. While immigrants may be over-represented in crime statistics, what percentage of immigrants can you say actually participate in criminal activities? Because THAT'S the statistic that will prove if multiculturalism is a failure.

If the majority of immigrants are law-abiding citizens (like is the case here) then you have a long way to go before you can say it has failed.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

It's the same thing with "diversity", the whole idea is silly. The root word of diversity is Divide. Your Multicultural gambit is failing because your deliberately pointing out the differences between everyone. Assimulatation means people come together and form a cohisive union. You can't have unity with divison. You must have a "Primary" national culture that everyone who migrates to that country agrees to become a part of, in order to maintain a civillization.

Multi-culturalism is a secular concept in that people can hold whatever culture/religion they want as long as they abide by secular law.

What you're describing is anarchy.

[Ryzorian]

Ronin; You don't understand, or fail to understand or choose to deliberately not understand.

Culture is how a group live together and acept as normal behavior amoung the group..

That CBS reporter who was beaten and raped in Egypt, guess what? To Muslim culture she was at fault because she got seperated from the men with her and left her as fair game, tough shit for her, by muslim tradition her family should kill her to save face. Is that the type of culture you want to add to your own? Be one big happy family..aside from the rapes and honor killings?

That's what we are trying to point out. Several cultures don't think as we do, and many are out right criminal in behavior, compared to how we would view them. How bout cannibles? want to include them into your "Multicultural" stewpot? There is a limit to how much "Diversity" you can accomedate before some sort of unilateral law has to be implamented.

True anrachy means anybody can do whatever they feel like doing and to hell with anybody else. No law, no culture, no anything but what each individual feels is right to themselves at that point in time. I and Sangetsu are pointing out, that to have a true harmony in a cultural landscape, the melodies must be in rythem with each other or you have discord.

[RealJames]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

You can't have unity with divison

You certainly can!
Unity in diversity, a common slogan, check it out.

Individuals are just as different as different cultures are, and yet they are united.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

That CBS reporter who was beaten and raped in Egypt, guess what? To Muslim culture she was at fault because she got seperated from the men with her and left her as fair game, tough shit for her, by muslim tradition her family should kill her to save face. Is that the type of culture you want to add to your own? Be one big happy family..aside from the rapes and honor killings?

Maybe you should explain that to the Egyptian soldiers and women that rescued her then.

That's what we are trying to point out. Several cultures don't think as we do, and many are out right criminal in behavior, compared to how we would view them. How bout cannibles? want to include them into your "Multicultural" stewpot? There is a limit to how much "Diversity" you can accomedate before some sort of unilateral law has to be implamented.

Haha! I've already explained the secular umbrella under which multi-culturalism is assumed.

If you don't believe in multi-culturalism then you don't believe in secular law or you don't understand it.

True anrachy means anybody can do whatever they feel like doing and to hell with anybody else. No law, no culture, no anything but what each individual feels is right to themselves at that point in time. I and Sangetsu are pointing out, that to have a true harmony in a cultural landscape, the melodies must be in rythem with each other or you have discord.

And I'm saying that this is pretty the definition of multiculturalism.

[Sangetsu]

Many people are fans of this forum mainly because of their interest in Japanese culture.

In Japan the national culture is highly valued as a good thing, and it is; look how successful Japan has become. By the logic of some of the replies here, Japanese culture is a bad thing, as it is not inclusive to other cultures.

Some cultures are superior to others in the same way that some people are stronger or smarter than others. To deny this is to deny fundamental reality.

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by Sangetsu

Many people are fans of this forum mainly because of their interest in Japanese culture.

In Japan the national culture is highly valued as a good thing, and it is; look how successful Japan has become. By the logic of some of the replies here, Japanese culture is a bad thing, as it is not inclusive to other cultures.

Some cultures are superior to others in the same way that some people are stronger or smarter than others. To deny this is to deny fundamental reality.

Japanese culture is not defined by its inclusiveness or exclusiveness any more than Arab culture is not defined by its supposed "barbarism".

Get that through your thick head.

Culture is neither good nor bad and has both good and bad elements in it.