Will China rule the world?

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by sutekidane

Well, masses will rise up is wishful thinking, the elite control the masses with TV, radio and newspaper. I will have to see it to believe that the masses in the US will do such a thing. Plus the people in the US are clueless about the whole world. The political class is totally corrupt and slave of the billionaires. One example of how clueless Americans are: the US meddles in almost every corner of the globe, specially in the middle east to get cheap oil and to help Israel, but when 9/11 happens, they say: Oh these Muslims hate our freedom, where the reality is that the US has been doing everything possible to deprive Muslims of their freedom, propping up dictators and kings. Then they attack two Muslim countries and end up killing several hundred thousand people. With Arab Spring this has changed just recently, as the US now sees no other choice but to help Arabs with their struggle for freedom. So if you are hoping and depending on the masses to rise up, fat chance that it will happen. Like the movie matrix, their mind is in a dream land. What ever the media spoon feeds them, they believe.

Thank you once again for grouping an entire population into one insult and using that insult to base your opinion on.

I am an American and i am by no means clueless about the world nor am i someone that believes everything thats in the media. I am willing to bet that i have lived for an extended amount time in more countries and absorbed more cultures than you have in my 32 years on this planet.

The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have killed thousands of innocent people that is a fact. However, the US is not responsible for all of them and for you to suggest so means you are truly biased. For example the Tailban blew up a bus full of kids that were going to school this week. Why? because they said the children on the bus were allied with the Government. CHILDREN!!!!! so dont stand here and tell me that the US is responsible for all civilians deaths. Dont stand here and tell me that every single American is clueless about the world.

You seem to see everything in black and white which is a very screwed view of the world. The US by no means is a saint however its funny that for 5 decades when someone needed help we went our soldiers died, we gave aid when people here in our country went hungry. Its funny how Americans are the first to donate money, food and supplies whenever there is a natural disaster and we do it the most out of any other nation. You are using our political leaders as your model for all Americans American is not just an extension of its Government. Well majority of Americans are just normal people trying to make a living and raise their families and even when they dont have much they still find ways to donate to the less fortune in other countries. Its funny how people like you always forget the good but remember all the bad about the US.

But im going to stop now because your comment really pissed me off and its not wise to try to write coherently when angry.

[sutekidane]

Truth hurts?

To put your hand some place, make a mess, create instability and then claim that it is not my fault, what can we call that, living in denial?

9/11 was perpetrated by a some few hundred or may be a few thousand criminals and a govt. that provided them sanctuary who even wanted to put these criminals in trial. So what was needed was rounding up of these criminals and bring them to justice. Instead what we got was an expensive Crusade that still continues, all for the benefit of private security contractors, Haliburton and the military-industrial complex, making more billions for the billionaires, while the taxpayers pick up the tab and those hapless Muslims pay with their blood. More than 15% of US population now slipped under poverty line, many living in third world condition. And to solve this, the Republicans want more austerity, privatize Social Security and give their retirement money to the casino called Wall street.

I don't support Ron Paul's economic policy, but whenever he says that American's need a realistic foreign policy, he is booed off the stage, that just happened in the latest Tea party debate. American's still don't have a clue what they need to do, I wish they did, it would be better for the world, but unfortunately for the world, as well as Japan, they don't.

So please don't get angry at people like me for saying it in your face and calling a spade a spade, instead get angry with your politicians and your elite who are laughing all the way to the bank, unless of course you are one of them.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by sutekidane

Truth hurts?

To put your hand some place, make a mess, create instability and then claim that it is not my fault, what can we call that, living in denial?

9/11 was perpetrated by a some few hundred or may be a few thousand criminals and a govt. that provided them sanctuary who even wanted to put these criminals in trial. So what was needed was rounding up of these criminals and bring them to justice. Instead what we got was an expensive Crusade that still continues, all for the benefit of private security contractors, Haliburton and the military-industrial complex, making more billions for the billionaires, while the taxpayers pick up the tab and those hapless Muslims pay with their blood. More than 15% of US population now slipped under poverty line, many living in third world condition. And to solve this, the Republicans want more austerity, privatize Social Security and give their retirement money to the casino called Wall street.

I don't support Ron Paul's economic policy, but whenever he says that American's need a realistic foreign policy, he is booed off the stage, that just happened in the latest Tea party debate. American's still don't have a clue what they need to do, I wish they did, it would be better for the world, but unfortunately for the world, as well as Japan, they don't.

So please don't get angry at people like me for saying it in your face and calling a spade a spade, instead get angry with your politicians and your elite who are laughing all the way to the bank, unless of course you are one of them.

First of all of half of your arguments dont hold weight and im not trying to be an asshole im trying to make you realize you base your arguments of your own pre conceived notions of right and wrong and several of your facts can dismissed as speculation especially without using sources. I could sit here and bad mouth ever single nation of the planet and spin it to my advantage try me, every nation has their deep dark little secrets.

You mention the tea party and i can hardly take you seriously anymore. The tea party does not care whats best for America by America i mean (normal citizens) they want to bring back a period of history in America and that will never happen. Ron Pauls idea of the US need a new foreign policy agenda is accurate however what he purposes is ridiculous and im pretty sure he would like the US to be Isolationist country again. The Tea Party booed him which i could care less about because the fringe elements are the worse kind people in my opinion. I trust the Tea Party about as much as i would trust the mob with my life savings.

I work for a living thank you. I paid my way through school with my own money by working, getting scholarships and grants. I did depend of my parents for a dime. I work for a fortune 500 company that i got on my own merit. I pay my bills and live within my means so no im not Elitist im just a normal person making my way in life and along the way if happen to see bullshit flying around i will say look theres some bullshit blowing in the air namely half of the crap that you have spouted. They are your opinions not FACT which you clearly try to make habit of. I could very easily sit here and bash the living hell out of whatever country you are from but that's me being a bigot and i dont generalize a population over a few individuals.

For all the talking that you do you dont understand Americans at all several posters have already tried to explain it to you but you bypass it keep your blinders on and keep on your one way track. You hardly understand anything about Japanese politics or economic policy which you made obvious in your previous post. You need to go to Japan and live there for several years so you can understand just how they think. The worse thing is you have no idea of what i was upset about which was one thing and in your post you failed to mention it, when any polite person would have realized that they made a pretty bad comment and would have either explained it or apologized. You did neither nor did you strengthen your position.

The US response to 9/11 was overkill multiple person including myself have stated that. I did not and even still did not agree with the invasion of Iraq. It was lead on false pretenses and inflicted on the American people by Bush. Afghanistan is another story, you go where the fight is and thats where they were. The fact that multiple nations some of those who had suffered terrorist attacks themselves joined the coalition showed that the international community response to it was proper. This is a war and just like in any war civilians die. Does it make it right No but that is the reality. However, what do you think is going to happen when a suicide bomber runs into a crowded market or place of worship and blows himself up heres a hint (people die) what do you think happens when insurgents use human shields? heres another hint (people die) humanity itself has not learned to work its problems out peacefully this is not something new its human nature. When you have a group of people doesn't matter if they are Christian or Muslim who twist the words of holy books to suite their needs you get a organization like the Taliban or Al-Qaeda or even IRA.

Does that mean all Muslims are evil of course not, do the ends justify means, not always. But like you said all Americans are the same no different so that means the Chinese Americans, African Americans, European Americans, Pacific Islander Americans, Latin Americans, Muslim American and Native Americans are all clueless. According to your expert opinion there is no difference between us and we all think the same therefore if i followed what you state that means i should hate all Muslims because of 9/11, i should hate Caucasians because some of my ancestors were Slaves hell that means i should hate the Japanese because of the Pearl Harbor. This is what would happen if i generalized everyone like you do. For the record the Middle East has been unstable for centuries again the US is not innocent by any means however you must also look at how they have treated their own people centuries.

You seem to think you know whats best for everyone. So here are a few words straight from the street. "Put up or shut up" if you think you have the answers then do something about it, instead of sitting on your throne and casting down bolts of lighting like you are Zeus. You want to help those people that are in need and you say the government doesn't care then do it. I can give you plenty of information on where to volunteer to help the homeless, work in soup kitchens and tutor children after school and numerous other programs all of which i do 3-4 days out of every month.

So in the end NO the truth doesn't hurt the truth only hurts when you are in denial and when someone states something truthful. Don't ever insult me like you did on the previous page. You know what else would be good for the world if China would stop having 34 children per min then practicing Female Infanticide just sayin not trying to judge or anything :-/

[Ryzorian]

Actually, I'm Tea Party. No we aren't wackado racists, that's the Elite's propaganda machine at work. We are the ordinary Americans pissed off at the 2% elites who think they know how we should live and are tired of them telling us what to do.

We will respond the same way if China tried to take over. "Don't tread on me" "Remember the Alamo", "Nuts" is how true Americans are.

The Arab spring is thanks to the US, cause it showed these guys could be defeated. Nor is it a "spring" at all, it's just islamic forces atempting to revitalize their old Cliphate government, which was the old ottoman Empire. You really should read more of thier liteture.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Ryzorian

Actually, I'm Tea Party. No we aren't wackado racists, that's the Elite's propaganda machine at work. We are the ordinary Americans pissed off at the 2% elites who think they know how we should live and are tired of them telling us what to do.

We will respond the same way if China tried to take over. "Don't tread on me" "Remember the Alamo", "Nuts" is how true Americans are.

The Arab spring is thanks to the US, cause it showed these guys could be defeated. Nor is it a "spring" at all, it's just islamic forces atempting to revitalize their old Cliphate government, which was the old ottoman Empire. You really should read more of thier liteture.

I do apologize Ryzorian i have only met the above the aforementioned Tea Party. But i did make sure to use the word "fringe" but i only have experience with the wacko crazy ones in and around DC.

I was going to mention the Ottoman Empire and how it has played a role in revitalizing Muslims protest and eventual uprisings in my previous post but got tired of typing. Just expect a more.

something that most people just dont realize we Americans have our differences but when you threaten us a whole. We will put our problems and put boot to ass. When this country is united we can be quite dangerous.

[sutekidane]

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As far as I can remember, Tea Party (not the original one in Boston some centuries ago) as an idea was started by Ron Paul, but then the movement was hijacked by billionaire corporate sponsors like Koch brothers. Tea Party is now a part of the Republican Party, a party that always has been controlled by the elite 2%. So when a Tea Party member says that he is fighting the 2% elite, do we sense something wrong with the picture here, or is it just me. Another foot soldier of the clueless brigade?

In the recent Tea Party presidential debate, Ron Paul was booed, when he mentioned about his isolationist foreign policy, this shows how far they have moved away from the founder of the movement. As I said before, I don't support isolationism, but Ron Paul, far more than any other politically correct politician, talks about the expensive and meaningless wars and shows some rudimentary understanding of geopolitics, specially the irrationality of the conflicting parties in the middle-east and his desire to not get involved in it, mainly because of fiscal and monetary reasons.

Sinestra, we don't know each other in person, so lets not get upset about ideas we debate on the internet and make it personal. We are discussing broad ideas about nations, their actions in the past and future projections, I would appreciate if you keep it objective and keep your patriotic emotions out of this debate. Regardless, I will answer all your charges that you made about me, about how I have insulted a people or put them down, with generalization and painting them with a broad brush, in a later post.

My goal is to discuss ideas, without getting entangled with emotions.

Since you work in a fortune 500 company, you should know about contingency planning, there is plan A, B ..... J, at least 10 different plans has to be in place for developing scenario. I would like to think that what we are doing here is considering different alternate future scenario and the plans for these scenario. This concerns the US and all its allies including Japan.

Claiming that some future possibility will never happen because of some of our opinions, will only break down the process of exploring these future scenario and the different road map and plan options to tackle these possible future scenario.

As for shutting me up, if I broke any forum rules, of course I will be banned, but till then, I guess I will have the right to express my opinion, just as any other forum members. You have the right to report me to admins and I welcome the admins to tell me if I have done anything wrong and broke any forum rules.

[Ryzorian]

I like Ron Paul, though he's more Libertarian than Republican. I do think Republicans are trying to harness Tea party peeps, but the vast majority of tea party people are part of small groups. That's what makes up most of us, little group here, little group there. But together we are large, as evidence by a demoncrate looseing in New York for the first time in 90 years.

AS to exploreing furturistic plans, I have read a Futuristic book written called "The next 100 years" or something similer, that states China will fall apart in the next 20 years and be illrelevant by 2050. That the US will dominant world for next 100 years, and next major war will be between US Japan Turkey and Poland. Course I think he's off his rocker on some of that as well..

[sutekidane]

Next 100 Years - STRATFOR - George Friedman - Part 1 - YouTube
Next 100 Years - STRATFOR - George Friedman - Part 2 - YouTube

I guess you are talking about this one? I have seen this video before, I think he is completely off on most counts.

[pumpum]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Its funny how people like you always forget the good but remember all the bad about the US.

You say that he must look at the good instead of only looking at the bad, but the thing is the BAD so spectacularily outweighs the good so as to make it almost irrelevant.

Maybe it is you who should stop concentrating on the few grains of good and pay more attention to the tidal wave of bad.

As for China ruling the world or impacting the dominance of the USA - The truth is - who knows? we can make logical guesses but they are still just guesses, tomorrow an earthquake could swallow up either country or any other.

My own opinion is this and it is a fact - America is the most corrupt, greedy, hypocritical and murderous empire to have ever existed in human history on this planet, so whoever takes over doesnt really matter to me, they surely could not be worse.

[sutekidane]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

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Your accusations that I insulted "all" or "every single" Americans, those are your words, not mine. Generalization was not my intent, but you are twisting what I have meant to say by deliberately adding words to prove that I have committed the "crime" of "generalization". Now everyone knows that all people in a country are not the same and we are talking about govt. policy which is controlled by the elite and political class, but in a democratic country they are voted in by the public, so the public, specially voters of the winning party, bears some responsibility for the political elite in govt. that run the affairs of the state in their name and behalf. A few word of wisdom from George Carlin in this regard:

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If you have lived in more countries and absorbed more cultures than myself, good for you and I am happy for you.

Seeing everything as black and white, and having screwed view of the world, that is a very subjective statement.

No country is all good or all bad, we are mixed bag, people or nations, so saying that I forget the good and remember all the bad is kind of pointless, as we are not discussing American philanthropy or charity.

Originally Posted by Sinestra

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I think I am skeptical about Tea Pary like yourself, they are being used as foot soldiers by business elites that control the Republican Party. But the elites may have got a little upset when the Tea Party got the US credit rating was downgraded from AAA to AA+, during the debt-ceiling debate debacle. If most of the Tea-party are from the 98% majority household that earn less than $250,000, then they will be depending on Social Security and Medicare when they retire, but somehow the 2% elite that control the Republican party have convinced the Tea Pary congressmen that privatizing Social Security and destroying Medicare is in their interest. I believe there is inefficiency and abuse in the system, but having no safety net for the poor and the elderly will be bad for America in the future. About Ron Paul's policy of Isolationism, I believe it is not prudent or practical and I do not support that, but I support avoiding unnecessary and costly war. Incidentally, Ron Paul was also totally wrong about Libya, I think Obama did the right thing in Libya with this humanitarian intervention.

I am glad that you have gone to college and have a good job at a fortune 500 company, good for you, but calling my statements crap and BS will not help your argument. Of course they are my opinions, most of which I believe are backed by facts.

Thanks for telling me that I don't understand Americans or the Japanese, again these are not counter arguments or points, but ad hominem subjective statements.

In Afghanistan, instead of a long occupation, a quick routing of Taliban and capturing of the criminals responsible for 9/11 and then withdrawal from the country was sufficient. I believe Bush Sr would have taken this approach, just as he did in Gulf war I in Iraq. He left Saddam in place. There was no need for nation building and this long occupation in Afghanistan, which has now turned out to be a costly mistake.

Middle East was not unstable for centuries, it became like this after the Ottoman empire was broken up after first World War.

If you like to tutor children or work in soup kitchens, then that is your choice, but don't expect that others would like to do the same.