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[MMM]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Oh, and MMM. Even though your annoying and a bit of a child basher yourself, you almost fit into that small 20%, I think. Glad someone shows more reason, I am starting to think everyone thinks I dont...

I am much more protective of children than you are, that's without a doubt, especially Japan's finest.

You're reason is there, Tenchu, and you are on the cusp of something. Like I said yesterday, if you could shed some of that hate, you could soar so much higher.

[SSJup81]

I can't recall where I read or saw this, but it was dealing with American soldiers who fought in WWII and those responsible for the bombing and how awful they felt after doing so. Being in a war period has to be horrific for all directly involved; soldiers and innocent civilians.

Just because soldiers fight in a war (with bombs) killing left and right, doesn't mean they enjoy it or actually want to. They're apart of their country's military and don't have much of a choice if they don't want to get thrown into a federal prison or something for "disobeying orders". This is why I'm against war, and if we must fight, there should be some official neutral zone, so that the only ones fighting are just the soldiers. No innocents period. They should ban bombs too! They should fight the old-fashioned way or something.

That aside, every single solitary country on this planet have their "skeletons in the closet", Japan included. Look at all the stuff done in the past, like with the raping of all those young innocent Korean girls or girls forced into having sex with the Japanese soldiers. It's not death, but it's psychologically traumatizing. Either way it's still sad that innocent people were involved. By your own logic, Tenchu all Japanese men must be sex-crazed scum based on this particular instance. Guess they can't be trusted. Of course this isn't true, but your views do seem a bit...off to me. You seem to accuse the poster (whose name I can't recall) of condoning the killing of innocents in a war. I'm not under that impression at all.

Maybe if you'd live in the US, you'd understand how frustrated and annoyed a lot of people are over this. If our "leader" wants to go to war for his own selfish reasons, the "common man" can't overrule his decision and those in the military have no choice but to listen because it's their job, no matter how much they could be against it. To me, this is nothing but another Vietnam, only no innocents are being forced into fighting this time. I don't know anyone personally who was for this war in Iraq. Even our military don't have as many recruits now because of it and advertise like crazy and giving incentives to try and get people to join the military (army, particularly, from what I've seen). Live in the US for a while or interact with more than just a small handful of people before coming to such conclusions, imo.

[adama]

I see you've edited your post. Not into killing children anymore, are you?

Hope you've enjoyed these words from me, troll. They're the last you'll get.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Japans finest? What does that mean? Are you saying I am exploiting Saaya again?

SSJup81, I read the first 3 paragraphs and was about to compliment you... Oh well. Anyway, yes, a lot of men do not like what they have done. But I think it is a weak man who has not the stomach to stand up even against God if he must, to object for what he thinks is right. I will blame people for what they have done. And I will find it hard to accept apologies, viewing their reasons mostly as excuses, if even they mean it at heart. Men should determine before they step out the door just exactley where they stand on every issue, so when the issue arrises, there is no confusion, then as the future unfolds, no need to go back and try and change things. I am not a big fan of unresolved people.

I know we probably shouldn't get into "religious" debate, but one of the things I thought, where Christians are concerned, as well as other religions, is that we are taught to forgive and not judge. IMO, you still seem to be ignoring the fact that these people are doing their jobs, even if they don't like it and if they show otherwise, they get tossed into federal prison for it.

I feel sorry for any person involved in a war. That goes for the soldiers on both sides that are forced into it due to the fact they have no choice, having to commit such heinous acts for a paycheck and I feel sorry for those innocent people who get caught in the middle of it. The only type of person that should be condemned for this, are those who are all gun ho and don't seem to have any remorse for what they were forced to do.

I know one guy who joined the service as a last resort, not because he wanted to. It was the only way he could get into college, since he couldn't afford to otherwise. I haven't heard from him since 2001, ironically.

Anyway, imo, you don't have a right to judge a soldier who is fighting for his/her country. It's not like they have much choice in the matter. This is my main reason for never joining the service, even if it would've made going to school easier for me and I wouldn't be loaded with all these student loans.

[forgotenmemory]

Oh racism, how I hate it. I've heard that all humanity originated from a tribe in Africa (not that I want to bash a religion ) If most people would know this, do you think racism would lessen? Doubt it. Racism is like a silent virus, a silent virus that can turn dangerously loud it. Racist is often hidden, it can be your neighbor who gives you a disgusted look behind your back.

Racist sucks...

I also dislike it when people say things about America. Why don't you just bash another country...you know that can be really hurtful to an American? No I guees not, you never try to walk a mile in the others shoe. I don't really hate the people who say it but I sure do hate the words. Also bashing other countries sucks.

[Hatredcopter]

Originally Posted by forgotenmemory

Why don't you just bash another country...

All that talk about racism and then you tell someone they should bash other countries . . . I don't really think that helps anything, either.

[kireikoori]

Originally Posted by forgotenmemory

I've heard that all humanity originated from a tribe in Africa (not that I want to bash a religion ) If most people would know this, do you think racism would lessen? Doubt it.

Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosomal Adam.

Indeed. Most racialists acknowledge the fact we all came from Africa and were once black. However Afrocentrists focus on this fact and use it towards their own racism while Nordicists focus on cold temperature mutation as superior.

Umm..how did we get on to talking about hurting children or whatever? o.o
...I wanna have kids someday....

[forgotenmemory]

Oh sorry bout that copter, but I said not to do it in the end. But whatever. -_- My mistake.

[Amnell]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Yes, I can just see it now, a Samurai takeing up his sword and cutting the heads from childrens bodies because there is "no other option". I do not htink you know what honor is. My original point is you think it is okay to kill children as long as you are happy with the outcome it makes. You have admited that, I have stated this is the cause for my hatred of the modern world and America is at the front of this world. I think it is you who needs to take a step back and consider which of the two of us will be viewed as the lesser man, the one who dies trying to fight a war he cant win because he will not compromise his integrity nor his moral courage, or the one who returns home with their body and clothes stained with the blood of women and children. You feel detached because it is nuclear bombs, I think. But I can assure you, a knife strike is much less painless. I have been both gassed and cut. I do not think you even realize the reality of your words. However, I dont give that liberty to the soldiers I have met on the grounds of your countries wars who are comiting these crimes.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

You should heed MMMs words. You've made real progeress. I will never step back from killing kids though.

First, that's a lot of post you left unanswered. And you still haven't answered my other question.

You think it didn't happen? Do you think that a band of samurai would be afraid to kill a group of children to avert another war later on down the road? In that case, it's not even about honour, it's about survival.

I think I already gave the "last time", but since you're still not listening, I'll say this one more time: killing children, on a sword or in a nuclear blast, is evil. It is never "acceptable". It is never condonable. No one is ever happy about it. No one ever wants to do it. It is evil.

Look at it like this: You are given a gun and there is a nine year old placed in front of you. To your left is a man seated in front of a console with his thumb on the "Launch" button. From you right, another man delivers an ultimatum: Shoot this child in the head, or fifteen nuclear missiles will be launched against Japan. Fifteen nuclear weapons is more than enough to blanket Japan and wipe out ever living thing in that chain islands. By the way, all children from the country have already been removed.

Only an insane person would pick the child's life in that case. They would be condemning millions for one life.

It was much the same in World War 2.

If you would have picked the child, I'm out of this discussion because it's proof to me that you are insane and not worth the energy it takes to type.

I don't need to take a step back and "re-evaluate". Here's why: I'm constantly evaluating. I base my opinions off of what data I can gather, not off of emotional impulses and grudges.

I'm not concerned with "who's the better man." I'm concerned with your apparent lack of consideration, deep thought, and logic. Besides, I'd never be able to convince myself that I'm the "better man", let alone someone else, and especially not you.

It sounds like you'd rather be a martyr than a useful asset. To quote a song title, "The only difference between suicide and martyrdom is press coverage." If it ever came down to me having to fight for my way of life, whoever--anyone--who stood against me would be a target. It's called full-commitment. When it comes to war, you can't hold back or compromise. That's how Germany managed to take over half of europe before England even mobilized their forces. Pick the lesser of evils when you can, then proceed with all due haste. You say you've been gassed and cut (I assume on the battlefield), but I doubt you've ever looked at the big picture. You were just a grunt, no?

I feel detached because it happened two generations ago. And, truthfully, I don't even feel very detached. When I read more detailed accounts of what happened to the people in those cities or the Jews in Europe, it fuckin' hurts. I saw a video of an American tank crew trashing the car of an Iraqi taxi driver. They shot it to shit then crushed it with their tank for stealing some timber. That car was the guy's livelihood. I was pissed! A lot of people don't care because it doesn't affect their daily lives. A lot of people do care for various reasons--they have family in Iraq, they have a lot of sympathy, whatever.

MMM may be right. Perhaps it was a significant concession on your part. I still ain't happy. MMM was also right that you're seeing everything through a filter. You're refusing to see reality. That's why I'm still in this discussion.

Originally Posted by Tenchu

Men should determine before they step out the door just exactley where they stand on every issue ...

If everyone did that, wars would start far more frequently and be much more bloody. Sometimes you can't take a stand on an issue because you don't know enough. This is why I haven't decided to support any candidates for president here in the states yet. I don't know much about any of them. Hence, I am unresolved for the moment. I am not confused, though. I simply don't have enough information--which is also your case, it seems.

="Tenchu"]But I think it is a weak man who has not the stomach to stand up even against God if he must ...

It is a smart man who picks his battles. I kind of agree with you--if another country (or even my own) decided to try to take over my life, I wouldn't be afraid to fight back. But I wouldn't go and storm a fortified position on my own--that's just stupid. Rather, it'd be smarter to wait for the enemy to come out to where he is vulnerable and attack him there. Actually, I'd be very much like the insurgents in Iraq now. Some of their tactics are considered cowardly, but they're also smart. Hence, I wouldn't go up against God. I would simply try to stay out His field of view, as it were.

I wait for your next response to prove your sanity.

EDIT: nvm

[forgotenmemory]

Awesome, someones outsmarting Tenchu.