Geisha --- is it art?

[theAlphaDuck]

hmm i would say the first could be the artist....

but the makeup etc...is all decided FOR the geshia...

so i would not call her an artist.....

the girl is the canvass...the geshia is the art....

[Koyuki]

As i know Geisha was first only as an entertainer lady for the Japan soldier. As for it's culture (unique make up, skill of traditional music, etc), now in this modern life it become art, but without "entertaining" stuff, some still.

[godwine]

Originally Posted by theAlphaDuck

hmm i would say the first could be the artist....

but the makeup etc...is all decided FOR the geshia...

so i would not call her an artist.....

the girl is the canvass...the geshia is the art....

Disagree, what they learned and perform is a form of art. If music and dance is an art, then the geisha is a form of art... they way they dress, and makeup may not be out of their own hand. But all the stuff they do to entertain a customer IS a form of art performed by themselves through a lot of demanding training

[TalnSG]

Originally Posted by theAlphaDuck

hmm i would say the first could be the artist....

but the makeup etc...is all decided FOR the geshia...

so i would not call her an artist.....

the girl is the canvass...the geshia is the art....

That is illogical. If the person's art (in this case makeup) is decided for them then they who practice it are not artists?!?! Then most musicians are not artists because they perform the works of other composers. A painter who uses the same canvas, paints and technique is not an artist, only the first to do so was. That is ridiculous.

The Geisha is an artist. An visual artist in her appearance, as much of an artist of movement as a ballerina in her practiced walk, posture, and practices while serving, and a musical artist in her preformance of any signing or playing of instruments (which they are trained to do as well), and most importantly an artist in making others relax and enjoy their time with them. If you were ever required by your profession to entertain a businessman that you had no connection with (or maybe even disliked) you would know what truly artistic skill is required to keep them relaxed and entertained through an evening with his colleagues.

To me a Geisha is an artist of the highest calibre.

[Paul11]

The lack of understanding of geisha really bothers me. Probably because one did a little research..... They are highly trained artisans of dance, and vocal and instrumental music. Not only that, but Geisha are the very few people alive who keep old traditions of song and dance alive. What's not "gei" or artisitc about it. Is a classical musician not an artist?

What people of this generation do not understand is that art isnot about ejaculting your personal feelings on a canva. It's not about masturbating 1000 miles-per-hour on an electric guitar. Art should encomass a more universal message to that all people can connect with because we all share in the human experience. The post-modern whatever-I-feel-goes is waning. Classical painters who can actually paint and who have honed a skill are making a come-back.

As a classical and flemanco guitar player, I can tell you that a simple song could take a few years to understand, memorize and then learn to play properly.

Geisha is not about make-up. Look deeper.

[hideki11]

Definitely an art for me because the way they look and as we all know, Geisha is a part of the history of Japan that classifies japanese women as "classic dancers".

[theAlphaDuck]

but geisha is ULTIMATLY about ENTERTAINING MEN...

if you want to see a REALLY good singer....its not going to be a geisha

if you want to see a REALLY good muscian....its not going to be a geshia

if you want to see a REALLY good dancer.....its not going to be a geshia

BUT...if you want to experience a bit of culture...and want to drink with some pretty girls who are all dolled up and laugh at all your jokes....and you dont want to go to a hostess bar because that seems a little bit too common for you....

THEN your gonna see a geshia.


as for entertaining people is it an art....

NO...its called social skills

[Ronin4hire]

Originally Posted by theAlphaDuck

but geisha is ULTIMATLY about ENTERTAINING MEN...

if you want to see a REALLY good singer....its not going to be a geisha

if you want to see a REALLY good muscian....its not going to be a geshia

if you want to see a REALLY good dancer.....its not going to be a geshia

BUT...if you want to experience a bit of culture...and want to drink with some pretty girls who are all dolled up and laugh at all your jokes....and you dont want to go to a hostess bar because that seems a little bit too common for you....

THEN your gonna see a geshia.


as for entertaining people is it an art....

NO...its called social skills

You're an idiot... define art.

I'll help you....

define:art - Google Search

[theAlphaDuck]

oh FFS....

perhaps i should re-phrase the question....as all but josh-aussie managed to misunderstand

geshia in my eye's is nothing more than a Pay-per-View Floozy

this is because singing and dancing aside....the PRIMARY purpose of a geshia...is to ENTERTAIN MEN....

NO ONE who wants to be an artist...decides to be a Geshia now do they?
because being an artist is all about FREEDOM...

sure there may be art involved....

but would you really say that a geshia is an artist FIRST and then an entertainer of men?

or that she is an entertainer of men...who's primary goal is to keep men entertained and that one way she does this is by singing a bit, and doing a bit of traditional dancing...

so pay-per-view floozy first...non creative artist second.

[godwine]

Originally Posted by theAlphaDuck

oh FFS....

perhaps i should re-phrase the question....as all but josh-aussie managed to misunderstand

geshia in my eye's is nothing more than a Pay-per-View Floozy

this is because singing and dancing aside....the PRIMARY purpose of a geshia...is to ENTERTAIN MEN....

NO ONE who wants to be an artist...decides to be a Geshia now do they?
because being an artist is all about FREEDOM...

sure there may be art involved....

but would you really say that a geshia is an artist FIRST and then an entertainer of men?

or that she is an entertainer of men...who's primary goal is to keep men entertained and that one way she does this is by singing a bit, and doing a bit of traditional dancing...

so pay-per-view floozy first...non creative artist second.

When you pay 8 dollars for a movie ticket to see a movie by Angelina Jolie, does it make her a pay per view artist as well?

Freedom is not something that to be judged, geisha is not a forced profession, people participating in it are well aware of the TRADITION and CULTURE of being a geisha.

You really need to understand respect ones culture more before making comments like that