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Hyakushi 06-11-2008 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul11 (Post 511237)
Lol to that last part!

For the other stuff, I have never heard anyone invoke god to justify this war. Maybe some extremist has, but come on. That type of statement shows your extremism in defining the right as so.
:eek: Are you F'k serious?!?

Natsume 06-11-2008 11:40 PM
Has this guy ever heard of the Crusades? Taking back the holy land from the infidels, all that jazz. I think that's invoking God to justify a war. Don't you think?

Hyakushi 06-11-2008 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 512209)
Has this guy ever heard of the Crusades? Taking back the holy land from the infidels, all that jazz. I think that's invoking God to justify a war. Don't you think?
Hahahahahaha isn't that the whole reason why we even have this holy land called the US of A X).

MMM 06-12-2008 12:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 512209)
Has this guy ever heard of the Crusades? Taking back the holy land from the infidels, all that jazz. I think that's invoking God to justify a war. Don't you think?
THIS war. He was talking about the US occupation of Iraq.

Natsume 06-12-2008 01:58 AM
Oh, I know that. It seemed as if the guy had NEVER heard of an instance where that happend.

I stopped approving of the war the minuete they said they where staying in after the fall of Saddam Hussain ( I know I spelled that wrong). But I kept my mouth shut until they said that they where staying after the establishment of Democracy. Now I'm just out and out against it. My Mom says is just my generations turn to experence what it was like during the Vietnam War.

koaku 06-12-2008 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 512209)
Has this guy ever heard of the Crusades? Taking back the holy land from the infidels, all that jazz. I think that's invoking God to justify a war. Don't you think?
That exactly what Im tryin' to say from the beginning when we talk about Islam and War....

Gackt21 06-12-2008 12:39 PM
I would like to finish what we started in Iraq. I would also like to see world peace someday, if the right man gets into office. I would be afriad that Obama would take away more of my freedoms. I do not want national health care because that will drain what is in our pockets and tell us what doctors we are allowed to see. The next thing I fear is a food shortage because of governments interferance in our food, that we will be fight in the streets for food. Have any of you thought this through. Obama is just like a young unexperienced Hitler. Do you want a president like that?

TalnSG 06-12-2008 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Natsume (Post 512346)
I stopped approving of the war the minuete they said they where staying in after the fall of Saddam Hussain ( I know I spelled that wrong). But I kept my mouth shut until they said that they where staying after the establishment of Democracy.
That basically sums up my views on it too. But some cowboys has to continue their ego trip.

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My Mom says is just my generations turn to experence what it was like during the Vietnam War.
Not to insult your parent, but it sound like Mom doesn't believe in learning from mistakes. Her comparison is correct, but there is no justification for the U.S. to keep re-expexperiencing the same stupidity and interference in other countries.

We assassinated Diem and Hussein (I won't fault the logic in deposing them), and then we supported a Democratic take over in both countries. But then we stayed beyond the original mission and screwed up royally - in both countries.

fluffy0000 06-12-2008 01:04 PM
Obama is not like Hitler
 
only if you are 'sniffing glue' do you come close to this comparision?

ivi0nk3y 06-12-2008 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by TalnSG (Post 512555)
That basically sums up my views on it too. But some cowboys has to continue their ego trip.



Not to insult your parent, but it sound like Mom doesn't believe in learning from mistakes. Her comparison is correct, but there is no justification for the U.S. to keep re-expexperiencing the same stupidity and interference in other countries.

We assassinated Diem and Hussein (I won't fault the logic in deposing them), and then we supported a Democratic take over in both countries. But then we stayed beyond the original mission and screwed up royally - in both countries.
With all due respect, you screwed up royally by getting rid of the existing power base in Iraq and even thinking about invading. I'm sure before Iraq was invaded, they knew what the outcomes would be, especially based on past mistakes and experience.
No, Iraq was invaded primarily because it was in the interest of companies such as Halliburton and its ties with the American Government.
I'm sure you know how my example is just the tip of the iceberg.


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