The Korean War is also called the "Forgotten War" because even today the Western public still generally underestimates the impact of the Korean War.

Why am I not surprised?

Did you hear him say this yourself?

You are damn right I heard him say this myself. I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't.

My bad, I meant the senate (actually there's around 55 seats belonging to the Democrats). My point still stands there's really no opposition to getting any bill passed by Obama or democrats which is a huge problem seeing how the system is supposed to be a two-party.

That post is sarcastic. Point being he forgets why we fight, and the fact that we CANNOT let Iran get an nuclear weapon, that is the only country right now that we can even prepare for. He has even down played there arrogant and threatening nature. Terrorism does not constitute an police matter, it's an act of war.

Obama does, I mean when you through political correctness on the matter, your asking for trouble. I do also believe by the way things do go, a lot of people have forgotten it.

No, it wouldn't seeing how Bush actually fought an War on Terror. He didn't call it an "man-caused disaster". Obama has shown he doesn't care to call Terrorism and the War of Terror what it is. Also when you stop an Terrorist trial for political gain your asking for it.

When you have the Tim Geithner come out and say he open to a word currency (thus causing the dollar to all even more) and the guy who picks him does not chastise for that comment you have an problem. Then you have at the G20 "charter of sustainable economic activity," trumpeted especially by France and Germany, mixes statements of the obvious with rhetoric that baldly calls for the U.S. to relinquish its sovereign authority over economic policy to a global government. Of immediate concern is the charter's appeal for global, supranational financial regulation--a clear European power grab to contain and diminish the role and freedom of the U.S. financial sector. Wither you like the those commentators or not does not change if they speak facts every know and then.

OK so Gitmo constitute torture, the only thing that is even controversial is water boarding, which was only done to a very few number of people. Umm, there prisoners of war fellow, they would go back to kill Americans if we let them go. Secondly there where criminal cases being processed there, but because Obama wanted to close it without thinking that causes those cases to be dropped (to be picked up at a later date) which has very serious impacts that can lead to some terrorists going free. There are cases for people going free, thus the system did work. Iraq, he would not admit the surge worked, which by the way does not give him the credit to ask for an surge in Afghanistan when you would not admit to being wrong about the first surge.

Oh and your Rush statement "I hope Obama fails" wasn't heard by I guarantee that because that quote is so badly misconstrued to make him look horrible. Actually listen to the ACTUAL CONVERSATION.

Transcript

"So I'm thinking of replying to the guy, "Okay, I'll send you a response, but I don't need 400 words, I need four: I hope he fails." (interruption) What are you laughing at? See, here's the point. Everybody thinks it's outrageous to say. Look, even my staff, "Oh, you can't do that." Why not? Why is it any different, what's new, what is unfair about my saying I hope liberalism fails? Liberalism is our problem. Liberalism is what's gotten us dangerously close to the precipice here. Why do I want more of it? I don't care what the Drive-By story is. I would be honored if the Drive-By Media headlined me all day long: "Limbaugh: I Hope Obama Fails." Somebody's gotta say it."

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh - I Hope Obama Fails

When it comes to politics, I've listened to a lot of people, both Con. Republican and Lib. Democrat, rant off on things they have only heard from other people... Which I find amazing. I don't take you for a person that would, but I wanted to make sure, just in case.



You can skip to 5:50 for the more relevant content.

S. Korea: N. Korea launches rocket - CNN.com

FFS.. lets get some facts here people...

Here's what Obama said...

How can anyone not agree with that?

Still sounds pretty disgusting to me.

I mean... has he ever read what liberalism proposes?

How can he want it to fail?

Rights of the individual etc..

What are you talking about? Gitmo violated international law and the spirit of the United States Constitution. It wasn't just about torture.

Not everyone agrees with it for different reasons.

A huge chunk of South Korean politicians who rather deal with North Korea in a minimal scale, consider that the business issues with North Korea are at stake. Making it into an UN-scale issue is a huge loss for South Korea.

The primary economic benefactor to NK, China just want to calm down the North face-to-face or else NK's life line will be in a difficult situation.

ronin,

Gitmo, only purpose was to NOT allow prisoners of war to be afforded constitution measures, more so to actual terrorists. I don't disagree with what it represented like you said, whither I'm against it depends on a basis of what the person has done to be put there. My point being you just cannot close it, without an plan which what happened.

Secondly lets not get into an debated about liberalism vs. Conservatism, these being two life-long different views and these forum would not do justice to a debate of that magnitude. Also liberalism does not always represent freedom same can be said for conservatism, and more so that they are two sides of the same coin. Just because someone doesn't like the policy over another, does not make it disgusting as such I'm betting that if it was conservatism you would want it to fail.

Let's hope that he does put tough blocks on the N Koreans for this, but right now we have to wait and see what happens at the United Nations. and like komitsuki says.

It has been less than 100 days since Obama has taken office and he has hardly a free ride in terms of what he wants to get done.

No sarcasm at all.

I made no comment about Iran, and I agree 100%

I can't understand what you are saying here. But trust me. no American has or will forget 9/11. To say so is silly.

When we fight wars against countries and call them something that they are not, it is disingenuous. The war in Iraq is not a war on "terror". It is a war on Iraq. It is the same with the "War on Drugs" that Pres. Reagan enacted. That was a good ride for some nice invasions.

I don't know enough to say you are right or wrong on this point. The news is still coming in here. You can be sure that American people have no desire to remain the world's police (a position probably established by them) so change is afoot. I would love to see France and Germany establish more authority, especially in their nearby surroundings.

If that was all, then there wouldn't have been a controversy. There was all kinds of torture besides waterboarding. That is the one that got political attention.

We have spent years torturing men who know nothing. Torture them, and then they tell something. What they tell is "whatever it takes to make you stop torturing me".

So we should detain them because we tortured them and now they will want revenge?

Like I told AlanX, open a newspaper. 1) no criminal cases are being dropped. People without charges against them might be let go, but that is two different things.

2) He never said the surge in Iraq didn't work. This has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

3) He is planning in moving troops into Afghanistan... so I am not sure what you saying.


I didn't misconstrue a thing. Rush Limbaugh hopes the new President will fail. His words: I hope he fails. How is that a good thing? How is that positive? It isn't. It is negative and divisive.

Like I said, I wouldn't have posted it if I didn't hear the words from his mouth. Please don't associate me with those that spout with no foundation.

Hehe... Never again.

What did you think about the clip?

North Korea likes to rattle it's sabre once in a while to get some attention and remind the world that it has one. It feels (and it's usually correct) that its a good way to extort more concessions/freebies from the rest of the world. The UN will umm and uhh over this problem and end up bribing North Korea to cease and desist.

Tungsten will not burn, because the heat shields on space shuttles are made of tungsten. Basically it is you vs. NASA scientists on this one.

Many of you need to relax. North Korea -- even when Kim's ego is on top -- is not so stupid that they would attack and western country and it allies, or any former communist country. There are several reasons for this. First of they lack of resource, regualr missiles or or a nuke or two wont get them anywhere. If they were to stand a chance, they would have to send a barrage of nukes that they don't have. And the second and most important reason, they have nothing to gain from it. They would not be able to sustain a occupation force in any country long enough to gain anything. The world would also boycott North korea if they were to attack someone.

Many of you people should take what they say on The Republicans Show on The Redneck Channel with a grain of salt. Obama would not sit down and see his country get destroyed.

MMM,

did you actually listened to it? Cause if you did you can not set here and write that you didn't misconstrue anything. Like the transcript has said talking about Liberalism He even says liberalism, which is what Obama stands for.Saying that Obama fails and What he stands for are two completely different things.

Since 2002, the Pentagon has released about 520 detainees to their home countries or counties that agreed to take them. Some have been released in full by those countries while others are still being held. It's not my fault newspaper don't report everything. He said it would never work, and has since never said he was wrong. It matters on the first surge, which he is just copying bush on tactics that may not work in Afghanistan.It sure does have something to do with what where talking about seeing how I was the one who brought it up, and you said this

I don't know what surge you are talking about, but imprisoning and torturing our enemies is not the type of behavior that gets them to back down.

Watch also this
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Please, tell us with how we are torturing, unless you actually provide proof of "other" torture you cannot make that claim. What techniques are we using besides water boarding? Do you actually know they know nothing, what about those who actually gave information? they don't want to kill us because were "mean" to them, they want to kill us because where westerners. Also you don't allow enemy combatants out when a war is still going on, regardless of what you do to them there going to go back and try to kill someone else on your side.

Please, do tell what wars besides Granada that Reagan has put us through on "war on drugs". Iraq (going into Iraq was an intelligence mistake, where there now so we have the responsibility to fix that country) is not the problem it's the fact that he calls our wars "over seas contingency plan" which is strange because I don't remember anyone except those who actually want to be friends with terrorist causing an concern over the old name.

What I'm trying to say is He has thrown political correctness over the matter with this "man-caused disaster" and "over seas contingency plan". With the way Americans are we don't forget the event we forgotten what it meant.

Yeah, we are able to talk a lot about it, but as far as actual congress objections, they like spending. the stimulus bill being the main concern, Not one congressman has read it before it passed, tell me that isn't wrong. The problem is our Government doesn't represent us anymore, and has become corrupted.

No, he wouldn't what we question is how lax he may be. Your also forgetting that North Korea does sell arms, and that's the problem. Sure North Korea is not going to attack anyone, but who says a terrorist cell will not? How about we take what we get and actually back it up with facts? Seriously stop with the basing of Republicans.

I think maybe one person made that statement.
I personally believe he wouldn't either... But seriously, there are a lot more Liberal Democrat shows than there are Conservative Republican. I think if anyone would require more to retain an independent opinion, it would be the Liberal Democrats.

I agree with you, however. Starting a war can be a very complicated decision.
Let's just not forget that we're talking about Kim Jong Il. I wouldn't depend too much on his rationale.

This is random but I think it's still relevant, does China have nukes and ICBMs? I ask because if they didn't(I don't know if they do which is why I am asking) I guess the only thing NK could do is sell it or give it to them.

I find it interesting how no one mentioned how badly it is for the people in NK. That since the government has been pursuing this, their own people have pretty much gone by the way side.

Washington Times - Starving North Koreans executed for stealing food

Granted this is kinda old but I seriously doubt its gotten any better.

Yeah, NK is probably a nasty place to live for most. Always sceptical about news stories but here's another: 150,000 Witness North Korea Execution

China has nukes and missiles to put them in. Well ahead of NK, so I don't think China needs any help from that direction. NK's been known to sell arms to half a dozen other countries tho, including Syria, Libya and Pakistan and there are concerns of possible collaboration between NK and Iran.

Officially they fired it in the space to install a satellite but in the clip I saw of the launch of the rocket no satellite was able to be seen (at least I don´t know how big it is, maybe it was inside) but the USA said that it hit the ocean. I actually don´t know whether they tried to install a satellite or if they wanted to test a new missile type but I don´t think it´s the first thought^^ I´m pretty sure they are testing missiles because 2 or 3 days ago north korea threatened japan with an military attack and why does north korea need a new satellite, they don´t even have enough food and water for most of the people living there and the infrastructure isn´t that good, it depends on where you want to go to but all the highways are more or less build to make the military come from one frontier to an other frontier... by the way in china it´s the same.
But I´m happy it crushed in the ocean so I now they aren´t good enough to attack other countrys and I hope they won´t do that :vsign:

*Props for Blazing Saddles quote*

I did hear that American fighters are patrolling the sea of Japan right now.

Why do we need to interpret 4 words that came from Rush's mouth. He didn't say I hope liberalism fails he said he hopes Obama fails. He couldn't have said it any more simpler, and it's why he has gotten a lot of criticism over this remark. It is time to erase the lines and all work together to make the country strong again, no matter what side of the fence you are on.

You also don't hold people without trial indefinately without trial and use torture to get information from them. To do so goes against everything that is American.

Nicaragua.

I can't tell you how much I felt for the people in this video.

Agreed. The entire population of NK is dying of starvation, and yet the government is spending it's money on creating missiles.

They're in my prayers.

You can easily misconstrue 4 words.
I've seen dozens of instances where Conservatives have misconstrued Liberal's words. Now I see it with Rush Limbaugh, and the passion is astounding.

I agree with you.
We should erase all lines and work together for the good of the country.
I only wish more people would have realized this while Bush was President... because we needed it then also.

Get out of my country then. If you don't have the respect to defend the country that you were born and raised in you don't deserve to live here.

I really despise people like you.

Go live in a country you have an "attachment" to then.

Nah.. nothing wrong with criticising the president and working against him if you believe he is doing something wrong.

But you have to be specific and articulate in how you do it. Republicans like Rush seem to be neither when they say things like "I hope Obama fails" or "I hope Liberalism fails".

Exactly what I plan to do, my friend. Just can't quite do it yet. But I'm working on it.

That seems too biased to me.

The meaning behind the words are more important than the words itself. Not being articulate doesn't deprive someone the right to have an opinion nor the right to express it. That being said, I agree, an effort should be made to make your meaning clear. However, in this case, the reasoning behind Rush's statements do appear to be logical, regardless of whether I agree with him or not. Listen to the explanation.

Honestly, I think Liberals are barking up the wrong tree with this argument. Just like Conservatives did with Obama's "lipstick on a pig" comment.

You do realize that all countries are flawed and no matter where you go, corruption is present. Best to pick the place that can provide you with a comfortable life style and by that I don't mean merely being able to afford living there.

Lol, you'll see, Alan. The grass isn't much greener on the other side. :)

YouTube - No motherland without you

And here's a one helluva awkward North Korea song just to bring the mood here.

There is no need to argue over this point any more, but, please, the "lipstick on a pig" statement and "I hope he fails" statement are in completely different categories.

After all, we are living in a very complicated world.

It's only what you make it, my friend. Nothing more, nothing less.


LET'S GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!!! I simply asked why you though Korea did this, and what you think it might lead to in the future, not some political debate.

Goodness.

I believe the contrary.

... But, yes, we've gone off topic. My apologies to the OP.

You are asking a political question and made some very political statements. If you want to back down from those statements, that is your choice.

N. Korea is flexing its muscles in a world that looks at as a tiny and sad monarchy, basically. They see many of their neighbors and much of the rest of the world as enemies.

They want to see how far their missiles can fly. Missiles carrying satellites into space do not fall into the ocean. They are looking for lateral distance and, again, reminding the world that they are a nuclear state.

The North Korean government is cleaver.

The starvation in North Korea is actually a form of population control via natural disasters and government policies.

And all the Socialist policies in this countries... Machiavellianism at its finest.

What is the result? Continuous Songun policy with great results without putting extreme efforts by the North Korean government. A very brutal domestic Social Darwinism that is well-controlled.

Are you saying that is a good thing or a bad thing?