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MMM 07-03-2009 10:46 PM

Sarah Palin quits
 
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gov. Sarah Palin announced Friday that she will step down as Alaska's chief executive by the end of the month. She will not seek election to a second gubernatorial term in 2010.

As the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee, Palin had been considered one of the front-runners for the GOP nomination in 2012.

"People who know me know that besides faith and family, nothing's more important to me than our beloved Alaska," Palin said at an announcement from her home in Wasilla. "Serving her people is the greatest honor I could imagine."

Palin was elected governor in 2006. She was tapped as Arizona Sen. John McCain's vice presidential running mate last year.

Palin said she was transferring authority to Lt. Gov. Sean Parnell, who will be sworn in at the Governor's Picnic on July 26. Watch Palin's announcement »

Palin added in a statement that she was "determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is not the easiest path. ... Once I decided not to run for re-election, I also felt that to embrace the conventional lame duck status in this particular climate would just be another dose of politics as usual, something I campaigned against and will always oppose."

A Republican source close to her political team told CNN's John King that it was a "calculation" she made that "it was time to move on." The governor's "book deal and other issues" were "causing a lot of friction" in her home state, the source said, adding that he believes she is "mapping out a path to 2012."

Another source, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Palin "thinks she has accomplished goals she has set forward. ... She sees what a positive influence she has had on people's lives from traveling the country in the last year."

"Either Sarah Palin is leaving the people of Alaska high and dry to pursue her long shot national political ambitions or she simply can't handle the job now that her popularity has dimmed and oil revenues are down," DNC spokesman Brad Woodhouse said.

"Either way, her decision to abandon her post and the people of Alaska who elected her continues a pattern of bizarre behavior that more than anything else may explain the decision she made today."

Republican strategist and CNN contributor Ed Rollins said, to a certain extent, Palin's announcement makes her look "terribly inept."

"I think everyone is shocked by this, and I think to a certain extent everyone is going to assume there's another story. You don't just quit with a year and a half to go. You certainly don't do this as a stepping stone to run for president. You finish the job that you're in, and obviously she's not doing that," he said.

"I think people are going to be very suspicious because of the timing. You don't quit on the Friday of a three-day holiday. If you are going to do this, you think it through, you give a good speech," Rollins said.

However, CNN Republican Strategist Mary Matalin said she thought the move was "really brilliant" on Palin's part, though she admitted she was surprised when she first heard the news.

"Her delivery was incredible, if you're a less charismatic person, you probably couldn't pull it off," Matalin said. "[Now] she will be freed up and liberated the way Mitt Romney is to raise money and get political chips by spending it and getting political capital. And she is still raising the kinds of crowds and money she always did."

Now, Matalin says, Palin must focus on "putting up with the conventional wisdom" that this was a bad move and travel the country to drum up support for a presidential run.

"She takes that target off her back with a good record to launch from," Matalin said.

When asked about whether it's possible Palin stepped down because of something negative we hadn't heard yet, Matalin referenced Palin's own words that investigators have dug through research in the ethics investigation.

"We presume if there was anything else we would know it by now," Matalin said.

In an interview last month with CNN's Wolf Blitzer, Palin said she was unsure about her re-election bid because she needed to focus on her state and her family.

"So, no decision yet on either 2010 or let alone 2012?" Blitzer asked.

"No decision that I'd want to announce today," Palin responded.

Palin catapulted on the national stage last August when McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, chose her as his running mate. E-mail to a friend

lizzey 07-03-2009 11:13 PM

Why do I have a feeling she might run for president? I am surprise she just resign from being a governor. I wonder what made her quit.:confused:

peterv20 07-03-2009 11:42 PM

she's fine.i have a feeling that we've not heard the last from her.

MMM 07-03-2009 11:59 PM

She says that lame duck governors just cash their paychecks and don't do anything for the state, and she doesn't want to do that, but she has 18 months to go in her office, and she is only lame duck by personal choice. Instead of quitting she could actually serve the state the full 4 years. Very strange decision.

burkhartdesu 07-04-2009 12:01 AM

I actually live IN Alaska, so this pertains to me especially.


THE REAL REASON SHE RESIGNED:

She spent a lot of time claiming she was a "maverick" -- she openly takes glory for putting an end to "corrupt politicians".

Turns out that the "corrupt politicians" were wrongly accused, and the Palin administration was illegally holding evidence that would otherwise prove them to be innocent.


Now the prosecutors of the original scandal are being charged with criminal "Withholding of Evidence" - the tables have turned and Palin is escaping the heat!

This is not going over well up here in AK -- and if she thinks she has a chance of running for President, she needs to be committed. :rolleyes:

You can't just quit. :eek:

MMM 07-04-2009 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741481)
I actually live IN Alaska, so this pertains to me especially.


The REAL REASON SHE RESIGNED:

She spent a lot of time claiming she was a "maverick" -- she openly takes glory for putting an end to "corrupt politicians".

Turns out that the "corrupt politicians" were wrongly accused, and the Palin administration was illegally holding evidence that would prove them to be innocent.


Now the prosecutors of the original scandal are being charged with criminal "Withholding of Evidence" - the tables have turned and Palin is escaping the heat!

Fascinating! So this is the "millions of dollars" she will save the state by quitting?

burkhartdesu 07-04-2009 12:12 AM

I work in Media, and we've worked closely with Vic Kohring-- one of the accused:


Kohring, Kott freed from prison, return to Alaska

The U.S. Department of Justice last week said prosecutors had failed to turn over favorable evidence before the former legistors' 2007 trials on bribery, extortion and conspiracy.

On Wednesday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco ordered both men released from prison, leaving the trial judge, U.S. District Judge John Sedwick in Anchorage, to set conditions.

He has not set a time to hear the substantive case involving the withheld evidence. The 9th Circuit directed Sedwick to determine whether the material was serious enough to prejudice their trials. If so, he could order new trials or dismiss charges.


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Palin messed up BIG TIME! The three people she put away were released because of legitimate mis-trial.

This was her claim to fame, now it's turning out to be an even bigger scandal then it began as.

MMM 07-04-2009 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741486)
I work in Media, and we've worked closely with Vic Kohring-- one of the accused:


Kohring, Kott freed from prison, return to Alaska

The U.S. Department of Justice last week said prosecutors had failed to turn over favorable evidence before the former legistors' 2007 trials on bribery, extortion and conspiracy.

On Wednesday, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco ordered both men released from prison, leaving the trial judge, U.S. District Judge John Sedwick in Anchorage, to set conditions.

He has not set a time to hear the substantive case involving the withheld evidence. The 9th Circuit directed Sedwick to determine whether the material was serious enough to prejudice their trials. If so, he could order new trials or dismiss charges.


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Palin messed up BIG TIME! The three people she put away were released because of legitimate mis-trial.

This was her claim to fame, now it's turning out to be an even bigger scandal then it began as.

No kidding! Wow...no wonder she picked the Friday before the 4th to try and sneak away.

burkhartdesu 07-04-2009 12:31 AM

She's a snake like the rest of em'


I went to High School with her daughter, and her daughters baby-daddy.

I just saw Sarah and her Husband driving around Wasilla the other week... They're nothing special, and surely not worthy of frontpage news.

MMM 07-04-2009 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741490)
She's a snake like the rest of em'


I went to High School with her daughter, and her daughters baby-daddy.

I just saw Sarah and her Husband driving around Wasilla the other week... They're nothing special, and surely not worthy of frontpage news.

Though somehow they keep finding themselves on the front page.

Sangetsu 07-04-2009 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 741491)
Though somehow they keep finding themselves on the front page.

Ever since her selection by McCain for VP, Palin has been a target. Previous ethics complaints about her have been dismissed after investigation, but these complaints were costly to investigate and defend.

I don't think she has been treated fairly, and I'm sure one of her greatest regrets was accepting McCain's invitation to run.

As for the 9th circuit court's decision to release the former legislators, remember, we are talking about the "9th" circuit court, which has the worst record of overturned/reversed decisions in the Federal Court system.

The Palins are on the front page now because the press for the last several months has had a run on the GOP. Her resignation is somehow being linked to the actions of senators Ensign and Sanford, which is absurd.

There is a lot of innuendo and bias being shown in the current news about Palin (no real facts are being reported, but never let the "facts" get in the way of a good story). I don't think her and her family deserves or needs the hate.

MMM 07-04-2009 01:02 AM

How hands on was the Palin administration in the prosecutions?

Kayci 07-04-2009 01:10 AM

Would I be banned from the site if I typed in joy yet used a bad word for her? (bad joke)

YAY~!!
AND STAY AWAY!!! <333333

[/not a fan. Sorry to those who care. Really, but I just don't like her, or her personality that she portrayed in the media.]

burkhartdesu 07-04-2009 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 741500)
How hands on was the Palin administration in the prosecutions?

Even if they had nothing or all to do with it, they still hooted and hollered the whole time with their "Anti-Corruption" witch hunt propaganda

MMM 07-04-2009 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741504)
Even if they had nothing or all to do with it, they still hooted and hollered the whole time with their "Anti-Corruption" witch hunt propaganda

Do you have any links to articles saying as much?

burkhartdesu 07-04-2009 01:33 AM

Well I can't link anything specific, but I've been watching the local media since before she became "famous".



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komitsuki 07-04-2009 02:17 AM

My goodness, in other forums there are lots of Tina Fey jokes after Palin quits. It is very mind-boggling to see her resign.

Yuna7780 07-04-2009 04:25 AM

Quite interesting. Thanks for the post, MMM. I shall look more into this.

solemnclockwork 07-04-2009 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayci (Post 741502)
Would I be banned from the site if I typed in joy yet used a bad word for her? (bad joke)

YAY~!!
AND STAY AWAY!!! <333333

[/not a fan. Sorry to those who care. Really, but I just don't like her, or her personality that she portrayed in the media.]

Really, does that give you the right to degrade someone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741490)
She's a snake like the rest of em'


I went to High School with her daughter, and her daughters baby-daddy.

I just saw Sarah and her Husband driving around Wasilla the other week... They're nothing special, and surely not worthy of frontpage news.

Even if they had nothing or all to do with it, they still hooted and hollered the whole time with their "Anti-Corruption" witch hunt propaganda

Well I can't link anything specific, but I've been watching the local media since before she became "famous".

Seriously? You honestly expect them to beyond normal? Well, when the media has an vendetta against her you sure going to hear about it. Don't make accusations without backing them up.

Honestly this little post here has such venom in it.

MMM, you surprise me. Even when we have different political views I would expect you to see when the women has been badly mistreated and be one of the first to stand up in that regard. BUT I see you here gleefully cheering on the mistreatment of her. Why is that?

I mean David Letterman went after her daughters, One blog spot ( daily coast maybe cannot remember at this time) even said that here youngest child wasn't hers but her daughter. Charles Gibson interview was crucial edited to make an fool out of her. After McCain lost the campaign staff went after her (maybe an last ditch effort to save themselves?).

While here resignation of the office is puzzling to everyone it cannot be taken without some thought as to why.

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741481)
I actually live IN Alaska, so this pertains to me especially.


THE REAL REASON SHE RESIGNED:

She spent a lot of time claiming she was a "maverick" -- she openly takes glory for putting an end to "corrupt politicians".

Turns out that the "corrupt politicians" were wrongly accused, and the Palin administration was illegally holding evidence that would otherwise prove them to be innocent.


Now the prosecutors of the original scandal are being charged with criminal "Withholding of Evidence" - the tables have turned and Palin is escaping the heat!

This is not going over well up here in AK -- and if she thinks she has a chance of running for President, she needs to be committed. :rolleyes:

You can't just quit. :eek:

Back this up, with evidence.

MMM 07-04-2009 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741539)
MMM, you surprise me. Even when we have different political views I would expect you to see when the women has been badly mistreated and be one of the first to stand up in that regard. BUT I see you here gleefully cheering on the mistreatment of her. Why is that?

How have I disparaged her here? I quoted the news article with no comment and commented on Burkhardesu's comments (a man who lives in Alaska).

But since you opened the door...if the excuse she gave today is legitimate, then it is pathetic. She is choosing to be a lame duck and she is choosing to quit. She is choosing to say she is no longer in doing the job she spent millions getting elected for. How many hours and how many volunteers gave their precious time to get her into office? And she quits halfway through?

Now if her excuse for quitting is a lie, then that makes her a liar.

solemnclockwork 07-04-2009 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 741544)
How have I disparaged her here? I quoted the news article with no comment and commented on Burkhardesu's comments (a man who lives in Alaska).

But since you opened the door...if the excuse she gave today is legitimate, then it is pathetic. She is choosing to be a lame duck and she is choosing to quit. She is choosing to say she is no longer in doing the job she spent millions getting elected for. How many hours and how many volunteers gave their precious time to get her into office? And she quits halfway through?

Now if her excuse for quitting is a lie, then that makes her a liar.

What do you gain from calling her an lair based on the answer she gave for turning over her job? DID she not say she was going to do what's best for Alaska? Everyone is an lair and I hardly think that needs to be said about anyone, to which brings up the point why even point it out? I'm pretty 120% percent sure Obama has lied about several things but I'm not going around and calling him an liar based on it. (though I would say he lied in that regard but in retrospect nothing needs to be said about calling each other lairs)

"I never believed that I nor anyone else needs a title to do this, to make a difference," she said. "I'm determined to take the right path for Alaska, even though it is unconventional and it's not so comfortable."

One factor she cited was the media and political attacks on her, and she suggested that her reason for quitting abruptly was to allow the state to move forward under Parnell without distraction, calling this the "right path for Alaska."

"For my state and for my family to progress ... I will not seek re-election as governor," she said, voicing confidence that her successor would "continue without interruption and with great administrative and legislative success."


Taken form
Palin Quits as Alaska Governor - Political News - FOXNews.com

Her stepping down from office is puzzling, yet I do know the criticism is that she is quitting and letting the people of Alaska down. Point here to make is we really don't know yet the exact reason and even then if she is dead politically. So as it stands right know there is really no reason not to take her word for it. Here's another point for you. If all the negatives where affecting her then it is good that she step out of the way, if she wants to run for president then it is good for here to step out of the way so she can focus on that and let someone else be able to devout themselves to Alaska. Take what you want for how she decided to do it. To add I do not think anyone that volunteered for her and even her expected this.

Umm, I don't think quoting something qualifies you to disparage someone. So with that out of the way.

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 741488)
No kidding! Wow...no wonder she picked the Friday before the 4th to try and sneak away.

Fascinating! So this is the "millions of dollars" she will save the state by quitting?

You should know very well that she has been going through cases of "ethics violations" for a good time while costing a good penny.

Regardless of that, how is "commented on someone else" an excuse? There still your words.

MMM 07-04-2009 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741551)
What do you gain from calling her an lair based on the answer she gave for turning over her job?

I didn't call her a liar. I said IF she is lying about why she is quitting, then she is a liar.
Quote:

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741551)
DID she not say she was going to do what's best for Alaska? Everyone is an lair and I hardly think that needs to be said about anyone, to which brings up the point why even point it out? I'm pretty 120% percent sure Obama has lied about several things but I'm not going around and calling him an liar based on it. (though I would say he lied in that regard but in retrospect nothing needs to be said about calling each other lairs)

No, not everyone is a liar. "Everyone does it," is the worst excuse in the book.
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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741551)
"I never believed that I nor anyone else needs a title to do this, to make a difference," she said. "I'm determined to take the right path for Alaska, even though it is unconventional and it's not so comfortable."

“And so as I thought about this announcement that I wouldn't run for re-election and what it means for Alaska, I thought about how much fun some governors have as lame ducks... travel around the state, to the Lower 48 (maybe), overseas on international trade—as so many politicians do. And then I thought—that's what's wrong—many just accept that lame duck status, hit the road, draw the paycheck, and "milk it." I'm not putting Alaska through that—I promised efficiencies and effectiveness! ? That's not how I am wired. I am not wired to operate under the same old "politics as usual." I promised that four years ago—and I meant it.

It's not what is best for Alaska.

I am determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is unconventional and not so comfortable.”


There's the whole quote. If you can interpret what she is saying, you deserve a gold star. If "politics as usual" means "fulfilling the promise you made to the people who elected you" then she certainly is not "politics as usual". However, if she is quitting for a personal gain she can't get as the governor of Alaska (like travelling the lower 48 and promoting a book) then she did the greatest disservice to the people of Alaska by running in the first place. Keep in mind, she is NOT a lame duck. She is CHOOSING not to run again. Why? Not only is she choosing not to run again, she is quitting halfway through her term. WHY?

Quote:

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741551)
One factor she cited was the media and political attacks on her, and she suggested that her reason for quitting abruptly was to allow the state to move forward under Parnell without distraction, calling this the "right path for Alaska."

What kind of gun was held to her head when she was forced into public office. How long was the knife that was held to her throat by John McCain when he forced her to be his running mate?

If "media and political attacks" are the problem, don't run for office. Obama is attacked for more hours than there are in a day by the right-wing talk show hosts, and I don't see him hanging up his hat.

Quote:

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741551)
"For my state and for my family to progress ... I will not seek re-election as governor," she said, voicing confidence that her successor would "continue without interruption and with great administrative and legislative success."[/i]

Taken form
Palin Quits as Alaska Governor - Political News - FOXNews.com

Her stepping down from office is puzzling, yet I do know the criticism is that she is quitting and letting the people of Alaska down. Point here to make is we really don't know yet the exact reason and even then if she is dead politically. So as it stands right know there is really no reason not to take her word for it. Here's another point for you. If all the negatives where affecting her then it is good that she step out of the way, if she wants to run for president then it is good for here to step out of the way so she can focus on that and let someone else be able to devout themselves to Alaska. Take what you want for how she decided to do it. To add I do not think anyone that volunteered for her and even her expected this.

Umm, I don't think quoting something qualifies you to disparage someone. So with that out of the way.



You should know very well that she has been going through cases of "ethics violations" for a good time while costing a good penny.

Regardless of that, how is "commented on someone else" an excuse? There still your words.

I am not sure what you mean by the last sentence, but innocent people do not resign. Innocent politicians do not quit. Even if she had said she wants to spend more time with her growing family, that would have made more sense to me than the speech she gave today.

Kayci 07-04-2009 05:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741539)
Really, does that give you the right to degrade someone?

Probably not. But let he without sin cast the first stone. If I don't like a person, celebrity, politician. etc, and they go away, I'll be happy. Oh well. I'm sorry for not pleasing any holy deity, but I'll be honest.

I think she was a mistake for McCain, personally. I never really cared for her since that whole "hockey mom with lipstick" came out, I never liked the vibe she gave off, and ever since I found out about the potential corruption with that man that was married to her relative who was also somehow related to the law...

I just don't like her. I may not have to "degrade" someone, but you didn't need to comment on it, as there could be much more, like I hear about Obama, (I.E; "Someone needs to shoot him")

I just want her out of politics.

solemnclockwork 07-04-2009 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kayci (Post 741557)
Probably not. But let he without sin cast the first stone. If I don't like a person, celebrity, politician. etc, and they go away, I'll be happy. Oh well. I'm sorry for not pleasing any holy deity, but I'll be honest.

I think she was a mistake for McCain, personally. I never really cared for her since that whole "hockey mom with lipstick" came out, I never liked the vibe she gave off, and ever since I found out about the potential corruption with that man that was married to her relative who was also somehow related to the law...

I just don't like her. I may not have to "degrade" someone, but you didn't need to comment on it, as there could be much more, like I hear about Obama, (I.E; "Someone needs to shoot him")

I just want her out of politics.

You do know that verse that you used is to say keep people from saying (generally) things like you did in your last post. Also it's not about pleasing any "deity" as you would have it, but being RESPECTFUL of others.

Do you know the story behind that "man"?

Same applies to you, you didn't need to make such an comment. Why would you even bring up such an despicable and treasonous act? that was another thing uncalled for.

who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MMM (Post 741556)
I didn't call her a liar. I said IF she is lying about why she is quitting, then she is a liar.

No, not everyone is a liar. "Everyone does it," is the worst excuse in the book.

“And so as I thought about this announcement that I wouldn't run for re-election and what it means for Alaska, I thought about how much fun some governors have as lame ducks... travel around the state, to the Lower 48 (maybe), overseas on international trade—as so many politicians do. And then I thought—that's what's wrong—many just accept that lame duck status, hit the road, draw the paycheck, and "milk it." I'm not putting Alaska through that—I promised efficiencies and effectiveness! ? That's not how I am wired. I am not wired to operate under the same old "politics as usual." I promised that four years ago—and I meant it.

It's not what is best for Alaska.

I am determined to take the right path for Alaska even though it is unconventional and not so comfortable.”


There's the whole quote. If you can interpret what she is saying, you deserve a gold star. If "politics as usual" means "fulfilling the promise you made to the people who elected you" then she certainly is not "politics as usual". However, if she is quitting for a personal gain she can't get as the governor of Alaska (like travelling the lower 48 and promoting a book) then she did the greatest disservice to the people of Alaska by running in the first place. Keep in mind, she is NOT a lame duck. She is CHOOSING not to run again. Why? Not only is she choosing not to run again, she is quitting halfway through her term. WHY?

What kind of gun was held to her head when she was forced into public office. How long was the knife that was held to her throat by John McCain when he forced her to be his running mate?

If "media and political attacks" are the problem, don't run for office. Obama is attacked for more hours than there are in a day by the right-wing talk show hosts, and I don't see him hanging up his hat.

I am not sure what you mean by the last sentence, but innocent people do not resign. Innocent politicians do not quit. Even if she had said she wants to spend more time with her growing family, that would have made more sense to me than the speech she gave today.

you miss the point of the paragraph. I'm certain she didn't tell the whole truth and maybe has other goals for why she is leaving office.

MMM, everyone has told an lie, there is not getting around that. it is pointless to call someone else an lair without pointing out the the one calling them such an thing is one also. It's not about everyone "doing" it, everyone DOES lie. My point is, if your going to call her an lair call yourself one, call me one, call Obama, one, and the list goes on. I'll refer you to that passage that was used by Kayci.

My point about posting those quotes was to show she gave some reason why.

I would interpret that she wants an governor for Alaska that would actually work for Alaska. Take what you want form that. But lately she has been
not so much focused on Alaska. Running as Vice President, interviews, the dogmatic attacks on her, the current (one of the few people who stand out in the Split Republican party) focus on here as an leader of Republicans. Now my personal opinion on the matter is she wants to be able to breath again and live in peace and have the same for her family. Hence I think she is probably done with politics.

The event is such puzzling, we really just have to wait and see what happens.

Are you Serious?

Does having your children attacked, count as wrong to you? What about mass-media take on it? I mean when you have an major network EDIT an interview to make an into an fool you have an problem.

Obama has rush, and Hannity arguable they go after him on policy. UNLIKE what has happen with Sara. People where out to destroy Sarah, and you should be able to tell the difference between criticism on Obama, George Bush (arguably they could be twins if you want to look at the attacks on both), and the atrocious attacks on Sarah, EVEN from her own party! No one expected here to get this kind of attention. The attacks where never about policy but her in General and that is the difference between Obama and Sarah.

What are you trying to say here? Why call her innocent unless you want to make an point? that said people step down from positions all the time for personal reasons. We simply at this point do not know what to make of this.

All politicians always give cryptic answers as to what there going to do.

MMM 07-04-2009 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)

MMM, everyone has told an lie, there is not getting around that. it is pointless to call someone else an lair without pointing out the the one calling them such an thing is one also. It's not about everyone "doing" it, everyone DOES lie. My point is, if your going to call her an lair call yourself one, call me one, call Obama, one, and the list goes on. I'll refer you to that passage that was used by Kayci.

Again, I never called her a liar. You are now. I won't repeat what I said.

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)
My point about posting those quotes was to show she gave some reason why.

And I said if it is true, then the reason is ludicrous.

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)

I would interpret that she wants an governor for Alaska that would actually work for Alaska. Take what you want form that. But lately she has been
not so much focused on Alaska. Running as Vice President, interviews, the dogmatic attacks on her, the current (one of the few people who stand out in the Split Republican party) focus on here as an leader of Republicans. Now my personal opinion on the matter is she wants to be able to breath again and live in peace and have the same for her family. Hence I think she is probably done with politics.

So you are saying that the problem is the governor of Alaska cannot focus on Alaska. I would ask whose fault that is.

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)
The event is such puzzling, we really just have to wait and see what happens.

And also see what isn't going to happen.

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)

Are you Serious?

Does having your children attacked, count as wrong to you? What about mass-media take on it? I mean when you have an major network EDIT an interview to make an into an fool you have an problem.

I never mentioned her children, and every single interview you will see on TV is edited, unless it is live. If you want to say they changed her words, please, back that up.

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)
Obama has rush, and Hannity arguable they go after him on policy. UNLIKE what has happen with Sara. People where out to destroy Sarah, and you should be able to tell the difference between criticism on Obama, George Bush (arguably they could be twins if you want to look at the attacks on both), and the atrocious attacks on Sarah, EVEN from her own party! No one expected here to get this kind of attention. The attacks where never about policy but her in General and that is the difference between Obama and Sarah.

The attacks on Obama have been on policy, and on much more. I wish they were only on policy.

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)
What are you trying to say here? Why call her innocent unless you want to make an point? that said people step down from positions all the time for personal reasons. We simply at this point do not know what to make of this.

All politicians always give cryptic answers as to what there going to do.

If she said she was stepping down for personal reasons, it would have made more sense. She said she is stepping down because she doesn't want to be a lame duck governor that doesn't do anything.

Then instead of spending the next 18 months doing nothing, why doesn't she spend the next 18 months doing something?

Who says lame duck governor (again, a position she put herself into...she could run for reelection) can't do anything?

Kayci 07-04-2009 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741566)
You do know that verse that you used is to say keep people from saying (generally) things like you did in your last post. Also it's not about pleasing any "deity" as you would have it, but being RESPECTFUL of others.

Do you know the story behind that "man"?

Same applies to you, you didn't need to make such an comment. Why would you even bring up such an despicable and treasonous act? that was another thing uncalled for.

who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?


.

I know more than you think.
I don't trust her.
And I'm sorry, but this is a democracy where we CHOOSE to represent us.
So. Really, it IS our choice to decide who is worthy in politics.
And Palin isn't, IMO.
So you don't need to comment on me either.
Freedom of speech, freedom to disapprove. Free to disagree with you. You chose to comment, like I did. But really, please don't act like its a severely horrid thing to disapprove of politicians when there are plots to kill them instead all over.
I'm not that bad of a human being, so you can stop degrading me yourself if that is what you got on my case for.

DJnohara 07-04-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741490)
She's a snake like the rest of em'


I went to High School with her daughter, and her daughters baby-daddy.

I just saw Sarah and her Husband driving around Wasilla the other week... They're nothing special, and surely not worthy of frontpage news.

My thoughts the same.
When I saw that head line, my reaction was just: Ha ha (sort of a Nelson moment). Glad to see her resign.

QueenNanami 07-04-2009 09:57 PM

Sarah Palin... I hope she doesn't run for president. That's just a waste of her time.

I'm surprised to see someone so gung-ho for her in the thread.

"who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?"
Let me ask you the same question solemnclockwork! What makes Sarah Palin so great to you that you think she deserves a ounce of our sympathy? To me Sarah Palin made woman look like they were incapable of running the White house. She made me and many other woman feel like a joke. I don't think she can handle a job like the White house and I believe she is a idiot. Her stepping down will put a huge dent in her "campaign" to becoming president. For that I am glad.

Did you see the vice presidential debate? If that doesn't prove how stupid she is then i don't know what will.

burkhartdesu 07-05-2009 12:26 AM

The only "evidence" I have is the fact that I've lived in her home town the majority of my life-- which is far more credible then ANYTHING the media has put out about her and her 'accomplishments'

Don't you find it a bit strange that she repeatedly claimed to have put an end to shady politicians, when all the people convicted have been released from jail due to a mistrial.

Watch her speeches, she mentions being a maverick -- a defender of truth and justice, putting an end to "politics as usual"...

Now she ducks out when Alaska needs her the most, doing exactly what she swore to defeat. That's why she quit, because she was selling out. She is what she set out to destroy.



Palin doesn't need any pity.

solemnclockwork 07-05-2009 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 741570)
Again, I never called her a liar. You are now. I won't repeat what I said.



And I said if it is true, then the reason is ludicrous.



So you are saying that the problem is the governor of Alaska cannot focus on Alaska. I would ask whose fault that is.



And also see what isn't going to happen.



I never mentioned her children, and every single interview you will see on TV is edited, unless it is live. If you want to say they changed her words, please, back that up.



The attacks on Obama have been on policy, and on much more. I wish they were only on policy.



If she said she was stepping down for personal reasons, it would have made more sense. She said she is stepping down because she doesn't want to be a lame duck governor that doesn't do anything.

Then instead of spending the next 18 months doing nothing, why doesn't she spend the next 18 months doing something?

Who says lame duck governor (again, a position she put herself into...she could run for reelection) can't do anything?

Well, since I have said with my first post that EVERYONE has lied, that would mean I would be calling everyone an liar, now wouldn't it? Also you didn't read that paragraph. This is my point.


it is pointless to call someone else an lair without pointing out the the one calling them such an thing is one also. It's not about everyone "doing" it, everyone DOES lie. My point is, if your going to call her an lair call yourself one, call me one, call Obama one, and the list goes on. I'll refer you to that passage that was used by Kayc


I said Sarah Palin couldn't focus on Alaska like she wanted to. She has been busy with other stuff since she was nominated for vice president. Why are you blaming Sarah? The media is the one who put her in the spot light. The Republican party sees her as one of the few leaders left. Tell me which vice president nominee gets this much attention after an failed campaign. Also it's kinda hard for people to say no to being vice president. That said I would also say Alaska was in support of her being vice president.

To see what happens would include what doesn't happen wouldn't it?

DID I say you mention her children? You do know what David Letterman has been "joking" about lately do you not? I thought it was common knowledge about the Gibson interview.

ABC News Edited Out Key Parts of Sarah Palin Interview | NewsBusters.org

ABC Dishonestly Edited Sarah Palin Interview | NowPublic News Coverage

Give examples on attacks on Obama being something else besides policy. I do not recall in the Main Stream Media doing anything other then falling at his feet.

We simply do not have the scope of what she is doing right now. Most Governors who are gong to run for president do not run for reelection. That said everyone who wants an career change or wants to do something else does not continue in what they are currently doing. We simply do not know everything right now.

SSJup81 07-05-2009 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741782)
I said Sarah Palin couldn't focus on Alaska like she wanted to. She has been busy with other stuff since she was nominated for vice president. Why are you blaming Sarah? The media is the one who put her in the spot light. The Republican party sees her as one of the few leaders left. Tell me which vice president nominee gets this much attention after an failed campaign. Also it's kinda hard for people to say no to being vice president. That said I would also say Alaska was in support of her being vice president.

How is it difficult to say "no"? IMO, she truly needed to get her priorities in order. Her youngest son could use her full attention, I would say, or partial. I'd be surprised for any parent of a special needs child, an infant, no less, since those first few months are vital to proper child development, to take on such a job [Vice President] that would be so time consuming. I know if I were a parent, I'd want a job where I could see my child everyday if possible, so I would say "no" to being Vice President of the US without thinking twice about it.

That aside, I find her reason for her resignation kind of a lame and how will that look if she does decide to run for President in 2012? One might look back and not see her as consistent. By that, I mean the fact that she's gone to so many different universities/colleges and then quitting her term as Governor when she's nearly close to finished. It's just like a hiring manager looking over a person's resume. Gaps look bad on resumes and so do multiple places of employment that were incredibly short-term. It makes the hiring manager wonder why the potential employee couldn't "keep it together" and just overlook the applicant altogether, or either just get the questions answered if he/she grants the applicant an actual interview.

Now, if it's for a real personal reason, like family, or even to give more attention to her son with down syndrome, no problem...but the "lame duck" argument does sound rather lame. It doesn't sound legitimate to me. IMO, I bet if she did say something along the lines of wanting to spend more time with her family, that'd probably get her loads of brownie points.

Anywho, when I first heard of her resignation, I figured it was for her to work on the upcoming Presidential Election, as I truly feel she will run for it.

bELyVIS 07-05-2009 04:04 AM

Honestly I voted for Obama just to be sure she was not in power. Her as President really scares me.:eek:

solemnclockwork 07-05-2009 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 741747)
The only "evidence" I have is the fact that I've lived in her home town the majority of my life-- which is far more credible then ANYTHING the media has put out about her and her 'accomplishments'

Don't you find it a bit strange that she repeatedly claimed to have put an end to shady politicians, when all the people convicted have been released from jail due to a mistrial.

Watch her speeches, she mentions being a maverick -- a defender of truth and justice, putting an end to "politics as usual"...

Now she ducks out when Alaska needs her the most, doing exactly what she swore to defeat. That's why she quit, because she was selling out. She is what she set out to destroy.

Palin doesn't need any pity.

Interesting. So living in her town qualifies to say she was illegally holding evidence? I don't think you can say your more creditable then someone who doesn't live there doing there homework on an story.

Actually I don't. Seeing how the Government usually botches everything up. That said Sarah Palin wasn't the one conducting the trial was she?

Convicted Alaska Lawmakers Should Be Freed, U.S. Says | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

I'm certain that most politicians build themselves up also, that said she did go against the most of the established why Republicans did things. That is hardly new. THAT is why everyone is puzzled by this.

You can't make an judgement yet why she stepped down. Doing so only leads to speculation. Why do you continue to say she is corrupt WITHOUT offering evidence?

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Originally Posted by QueenNanami (Post 741711)
Sarah Palin... I hope she doesn't run for president. That's just a waste of her time.

I'm surprised to see someone so gung-ho for her in the thread.

"who are you to judge who is worthy to be in politics?"
Let me ask you the same question solemnclockwork! What makes Sarah Palin so great to you that you think she deserves a ounce of our sympathy? To me Sarah Palin made woman look like they were incapable of running the White house. She made me and many other woman feel like a joke. I don't think she can handle a job like the White house and I believe she is a idiot. Her stepping down will put a huge dent in her "campaign" to becoming president. For that I am glad.

Did you see the vice presidential debate? If that doesn't prove how stupid she is then i don't know what will.

Really? How do you honestly expect me to take this as an logical argument when it is filled with hate? I'm sorry you feel unjustified because she has different values then you, but to call her an idiot crosses a line that I do think others will agree with me. I do feel that you should stand up for her AS an person and say what has happen is WRONG instead of gleefully support it.

So you feel no sympathy for her family being attacked also?

That said tell me why you feel she is "stupid" with evidence to support your claim.

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Originally Posted by Kayci (Post 741670)
I know more than you think.
I don't trust her.
And I'm sorry, but this is a democracy where we CHOOSE to represent us.
So. Really, it IS our choice to decide who is worthy in politics.
And Palin isn't, IMO.
So you don't need to comment on me either.
Freedom of speech, freedom to disapprove. Free to disagree with you. You chose to comment, like I did. But really, please don't act like its a severely horrid thing to disapprove of politicians when there are plots to kill them instead all over.
I'm not that bad of a human being, so you can stop degrading me yourself if that is what you got on my case for.

Then tell me what you know.

Trusting her is not the issue. Nor did I deny your right to choose who represents you. Explain by what you mean (the bolded part), as far as am aware you really have to look hard to find plots to kill presidents I do mean VERY hard.

I'm not degrading you but chastising you for your treatment of Sarah.

comments like this

Would I be banned from the site if I typed in joy yet used a bad word for her? (bad joke)

YAY~!!
AND STAY AWAY!!! <333333

[/not a fan. Sorry to those who care. Really, but I just don't like her, or her personality that she portrayed in the media.]


The comment about asking "who you are to judge who is worthy to be an politician" was put there for an reason think on it some more.

SSJup81,

How many people can you count that denied being vice president? Maybe she has gotten her priorities right, right now we do not know.

Why do you think that by going to different universities/colleges makes one inconsistent? Couldn't you say the same thing for those who possibly carry PH.Ds? Many have said this is an political killer move. She gave several reasons as to why she is doing this, thus leading one to believe that this decision is more personal then let on to believe. Actually I don't believe that if she gave whatever answer that she would be treated fairly to which she still hasn't.

Everyone is going to have to wait and see where this is heading.

Kayci 07-05-2009 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741793)
Interesting. So living in her town qualifies to say she was illegally holding evidence? I don't think you can say your more creditable then someone who doesn't live there doing there homework on an story.

Actually I don't. Seeing how the Government usually botches everything up. That said Sarah Palin wasn't the one conducting the trial was she?

Convicted Alaska Lawmakers Should Be Freed, U.S. Says | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

I'm certain that most politicians build themselves up also, that said she did go against the most of the established why Republicans did things. That is hardly new. THAT is why everyone is puzzled by this.

You can't make an judgement yet why she stepped down. Doing so only leads to speculation. Why do you continue to say she is corrupt WITHOUT offering evidence?



Really? How do you honestly expect me to take this as an logical argument when it is filled with hate? I'm sorry you feel unjustified because she has different values then you, but to call her an idiot crosses a line that I do think others will agree with me. I do feel that you should stand up for her AS an person and say what has happen is WRONG instead of gleefully support it.

So you feel no sympathy for her family being attacked also?

That said tell me why you feel she is "stupid" with evidence to support your claim.



Then tell me what you know.

Trusting her is not the issue. Nor did I deny your right to choose who represents you. Explain by what you mean (the bolded part), as far as am aware you really have to look hard to find plots to kill presidents I do mean VERY hard.

I'm not degrading you but chastising you for your treatment of Sarah.

comments like this

Would I be banned from the site if I typed in joy yet used a bad word for her? (bad joke)

YAY~!!
AND STAY AWAY!!! <333333

[/not a fan. Sorry to those who care. Really, but I just don't like her, or her personality that she portrayed in the media.]


The comment about asking "who you are to judge who is worthy to be an politician" was put there for an reason think on it some more.

SSJup81,

How many people can you count that denied being vice president? Maybe she has gotten her priorities right, right now we do not know.

Why do you think that by going to different universities/colleges makes one inconsistent? Couldn't you say the same thing for those who possibly carry PH.Ds? Many have said this is an political killer move. She gave several reasons as to why she is doing this, thus leading one to believe that this decision is more personal then let on to believe. Actually I don't believe that if she gave whatever answer that she would be treated fairly to which she still hasn't.

Everyone is going to have to wait and see where this is heading.

Why should I be chastised?

That question is STILL unneccessary. Think. I mean, we ALWAYS criticize/praise politicians on the most ridiculous and not so ridiculous things. We're allowed.

If I were to put all my former teach taught us during the campaign, I'd bore you. You probably would say "there is more to the story", but here's my thing;
They made a point. If the "corrupt" politicians she jailed are brought out and more is revealed...why does she suddenly quit?

And remember the whole "bridge to nowhere"? She was for it, then during the campaign tried to say she refused...:/
I don't need to be chastised, actually. You're not my parent, and I had the right to say such, as long as I'm not being threatening. I never said I want harm, I just don't like the woman. Trust me, I have a feeling you wouldn't say much the same if it was Hilary Clinton. (And those close to me know HOW I despise her too.)

I just don't like her, and other people responded saying other "inconsiderate" things, as well. I did admit already in the original post one was a bad joke, and I don't care if you care for her. I just don't. I think she was a mistake for the VP choice, and I'm still relieved she's going.

bELyVIS 07-05-2009 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kayci (Post 741797)
Why should I be chastised?

That question is STILL unneccessary. Think. I mean, we ALWAYS criticize/praise politicians on the most ridiculous and not so ridiculous things. We're allowed.

If I were to put all my former teach taught us during the campaign, I'd bore you. You probably would say "there is more to the story", but here's my thing;
They made a point. If the "corrupt" politicians she jailed are brought out and more is revealed...why does she suddenly quit?

And remember the whole "bridge to nowhere"? She was for it, then during the campaign tried to say she refused...:/
I don't need to be chastised, actually. You're not my parent, and I had the right to say such, as long as I'm not being threatening. I never said I want harm, I just don't like the woman. Trust me, I have a feeling you wouldn't say much the same if it was Hilary Clinton. (And those close to me know HOW I despise her too.)

I just don't like her, and other people responded saying other "inconsiderate" things, as well. I did admit already in the original post one was a bad joke, and I don't care if you care for her. I just don't. I think she was a mistake for the VP choice, and I'm still relieved she's going.

All politcians are corrupt. Expect nothing and you'll never be disappointed.

QueenNanami 07-05-2009 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741793)
Really? How do you honestly expect me to take this as an logical argument when it is filled with hate? I'm sorry you feel unjustified because she has different values then you, but to call her an idiot crosses a line that I do think others will agree with me. I do feel that you should stand up for her AS an person and say what has happen is WRONG instead of gleefully support it.

So you feel no sympathy for her family being attacked also?

That said tell me why you feel she is "stupid" with evidence to support your claim.

Ok, so the reason im "unjustified" is not because she has different values unless you are calling stupid a value :rolleyes: I said I was mad that she made woman look like a joke. My post was not made in hate for the woman it was in anger. I wont stand up for someone like her. You shouldn't force your believes on others you know. I asked you why you felt she deserved our sympathy and you didnt answer. You just seemed to focus on the simply fact i feel she is a idiot.

SARAH PALIN IS A IDIOT!

I feel no sympathy for her family or her because they are the ones who willingly put themselves out there to be attacked. She must have known what would happen. She knew people were going to talk and comment on the situation. She stepped down fully aware of the situation and it's consequences. She used her family to up her campaign. For a woman who would us her daughter and her son as symbols of what she stands for is sick. She pushed her family into the spotlight for her own selfish reasons.

Yes i feel Sarah Palin is not smart or as i like to refer to it a idiot. I will look up some Sarah Palin quotes for you.

"They're in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom." --Sarah Palin, getting the vice president's constitutional role wrong after being asked by a third grader what the vice president does, interview with NBC affiliate KUSA in Colorado, Oct. 21, 2008

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media." --Sarah Palin, getting First Amendment rights backwards while suggesting that criticism of her is unconstitutional, radio interview with WMAL-AM, Oct. 31, 2008

"I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'" --Sarah Palin, as quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office without approval of the city council



"Um uh" Does she ever have a clear answer? I never ever said me and her didn't have the same values. Thats you putting word in my mouth. She is a female version of George Bush. A idiot ready to make America a even bigger joke to people then George Bush did. My thought is maybe McCain thought it would be a good idea to get a woman as his running mate to get the woman vote. Im not the only one who thinks that she makes us woman look like a joke you know. I think you should open YOUR eyes to what we have to say too...

YukisUke 07-05-2009 10:46 PM

I am so glad she resigned. She didn't scare me, but she did aggrivate the hell out of me with the way she talked. :)

SSJup81 07-05-2009 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741793)
SJup81,

How many people can you count that denied being vice president? Maybe she has gotten her priorities right, right now we do not know.

I was speaking past-tense. IMO, her priorities weren't in order by even being a running mate. She's a parent with an INFANT who is a special needs child. How can she bond with the child, if she were to take on a job where she's constantly busy? As I mentioned, those first few years are vital for proper childhood development.
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Why do you think that by going to different universities/colleges makes one inconsistent?
Because she had to go to so many just for a Bachelor's. What was it, five? I can see maybe Community College and then finishing up the final two years at a four-year and then continuing education for a Masters, but if I'm not mistaken, and if I'm wrong, please correct me, this wasn't the case. She didn't finish all of the colleges she attended. Now if she had, then this would be completely different. It may come across that she may have trouble finishing what she starts.
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Couldn't you say the same thing for those who possibly carry PH.Ds?
No, because one usually attends a University for four years, and then continue on to obtain one's Masters/Doctrine at a Graduate school. If the person has multiple PH.Ds, then it also wouldn't be a problem, because the person would had to have finished up the school in question to even obtain it.
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Many have said this is an political killer move. She gave several reasons as to why she is doing this, thus leading one to believe that this decision is more personal then let on to believe. Actually I don't believe that if she gave whatever answer that she would be treated fairly to which she still hasn't.
I still feel if she were to say it's family related, she would be cut a whole lot of slack since, most from what I've seen, feel that family should come first anyway.
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Everyone is going to have to wait and see where this is heading.
Yeah, and until then, people are going to speculate, and with the reasons she gave, to me, it's still a "lame reason" and I feel there's a whole lot more to it than what she's saying.

SSJup81 07-05-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by QueenNanami (Post 741815)
I feel no sympathy for her family or her because they are the ones who willingly put themselves out there to be attacked. She must have known what would happen. She knew people were going to talk and comment on the situation. She stepped down fully aware of the situation and it's consequences. She used her family to up her campaign. For a woman who would us her daughter and her son as symbols of what she stands for is sick. She pushed her family into the spotlight for her own selfish reasons.

I feel sympathy when it comes to her kids since the kids of politicians, imo, no matter what should ever be targeted or have pot-shots taken at them. They shouldn't be punished or ridiculed because of what their parent(s) does (do). As for those literally running, no, not really, since, as you said it, they're the ones "willingly putting themselves out there". Their pasts will be revealed to the public and all that, so that should definitely be expected.

As for Palin in general...I do admire the fact that she does seem to be a tough woman. For the most part, the main thing I disagreed with were her on were her values and some of her old-fashioned ways of thinking. I also felt that she came across as lacking knowledge when it came to international affairs. To me, it's like she was living inside of a bubble.

Barone1551 07-06-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 741782)

Give examples on attacks on Obama being something else besides policy. I do not recall in the Main Stream Media doing anything other then falling at his feet.

We simply do not have the scope of what she is doing right now. Most Governors who are gong to run for president do not run for reelection. That said everyone who wants an career change or wants to do something else does not continue in what they are currently doing. We simply do not know everything right now.

Here is something else besides policy. The things these right wing newscasters were saying were ridiculous. They saddest part is they were legitimately pissed off. I couldn't help but laugh at them.

Hannity Attacks Obama For Putting Mustard On His Burger [UPDATED]


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