He said...."Crap".. :D

I can agree with what Salvanas is saying. Most of the teens that have children cannot give them the life they need. Abortion is the best option. It prevents that from happening.

I guess he didnt put it right or just doesnt know how to use it.

HAHAHAHA. There are so many comedians on JF!! Is there anyone here who is not funny? I'm gonna bust a lung from these people. LOL.

Its not because the condom split that is ur fault lol it can just ...split.. (99% OF PROTECTION..)

I dont think i was been funny.:D

My bad. You know how you read things and it sounds funny? That's what happened. Sorry.

Im just jk...dnt have to be sorry:D

Okay. Just thought you were really being serious. :)

Its alright, but yeah they should know how to use it.

If you don't know how to use it, then practice until you do.

All they have to do is check if its adjusted well, and keep checking now and then.

LOL. im sorry I just had to say that as i read this i thought you were a guylol! I was like what guys dont have the baby.

LOL i also thought that, so when i got to the word "guy" i was like ,so hes gay. I kept reading and i realised.LOL

At least im not the only onelol. But seriously dont have sex even protected unless you know you always run the risk of pregnancy.

So my sister should have aborted her baby because she couldn't give him the ideal life?

Should someone who is middle class abort there child, because they cannot give it a upper class life?

Do you know how elitist this sounds? May I ask you, in what optimal condition do you think babies should be born it? Getting the ideal situation does not happen, and by this logic one life (like the phrased used before we are talking about a life, a human life understand what that implies) where they couldn't get the best should have been better dead?

I add to this, one makes of what there situation holds. Look at Obama, should he have ended his life because it wasn't the "best" or optimal"? NO, just NO, but this is what the this logic points to. You don't get the what you want, give up. There is so much wrong with that. One it's not your life, it's someone else. Two GREAT PEOPLE will and can come from humble beginnings. Three life is not fair, make the best of what you got and live happy.

Point though having a abortion for reason such as people who want to go to prom/dances ARE unjustifiable. There is such a thing as unjustifiable abortion.
Then why are children still being born there? So should we also elimate all children in Darfour because, hey they were not going to have a good life. There is hope, and humans have and continue to thrive thought such odds. It is as much fault as the rest of the world sets by, as it is the aggressors.

Children of West Darfur Are Getting an Education

Life is not fair, it's not going to be, AND we have to make best of what we have.

I would also say this, sex is a act to provide more people, AS such you have to accept the consequences of your actions if you choose to do such a thing.(acts are not involuntary so keep that in mind). that means girl gets pregnant it was because she DECIDED to do it, as such with the male. Responsibility will go a long way for anybody.

i like you clickity clockety. People dont always have the best and they turn out fine. I havnt had the best life and have had to see poverty and i turned out fine i worked hard in school i am going to college for free there are plenty of opportunities for every one in life.

Sorry. I cannot comprehend misery.

My point wasnt ABORTION but contraception...If the contraception was so wide-spread there would be probably no problem of abortion

Im not sayin that the solution is to eleminate them THEY ARE ALIVE, but we have to think WHAT HAPPENED BEFORE.?..Why contraception method do not work there (advert, etc...) because that the only way, discuss on "Abortion or not" i dont think its the real problem...A normal person who understand "Im using a condom not ONLY to have no child but also protect each other from HIV or other stuff" that the first step but we are not at this level..

What is your first language?

How can you discuss teenage pregnancy without going into abortion?

I mean, you've got the girl pregnant, you either think they should have used contrceptive means or not, then what if they didn't? You talk about abortion. Whether it is a good idea or not. That is the debate. I think you're the one who is slightly off topic...

Because then it becomes a religious topic, and we wouldn't want to go there.

Please note - I didn`t say "Do not talk about abortion!".
I said to try and not go too deeply into abortion discussion, and to try to keep a debate from developing. MMM made it pretty clear WHY an abortion debate is a very bad idea.

It is possible, you know, to discuss something without going too deeply / starting a debate / taking things personally / etc.

It`s fine to talk about to an extent, but I wanted to drop in before it turned into a debate over NOTHING other than abortion.

that a big jump of assumptions.

First I deal with "we know who your going to be when your older...." what definitive proof do you have that says that a person (I'm not talking generalizations here) will turn out to be a "bad" person?

Don't we have a saying that ones actions are there own not there FAULT? Point sorry if you had a bad upbringing but that thing you stole/murdered/ whatnot is still something you choose to do. It brings me to a movie I seen recently Midia goes to jail, There was a part where this women kept saying "you don't know what my dad did". Guess what Midia did, she told her to shut up and take responsibility (I'm putting it in polite terms).

Which leads me into another stark contrast to this, and the very reason why I used him first. Obama, stands in against this. He is the United States President, one of the very most powerful positions in the world. Guess what he had a horrible child life.

Psychological studies are at best subjective because we cannot truly test any situation (people are not lab rats, human rights you get the picture), only guess. ALSO people don't stay the same as they age.

FuturePundit: Humans Most Violent When Only 2 Years Old
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I wonder where you got the line "your post is invalid..." On that NO one brought religion into the debate only the mods said not to continue along the lines of the abortion part (to them I'm sorry that I jumped the bought like that, I just got rubbed the wrong way by some posts).

There is a very good reason why I took the liberty to say such a thing (read the third paragraph and you will make a connection between the question). Now you used the word "satisfying", you understand that that such a life very from person to person. Thus having no definitive answer. BECAUSE of that, one can make any assumption as to what you mean, and by that one could also conclude that any body that's not born to idea situation just isn't worth living.

This idea mother, would be good, but that doesn't always happen, NOT at the fault of the child. Ideal situations are nice, but do they rarely occur, especially when someone takes a risk that could bring a unexpected result? the point here, is that you cannot put the blame on someone because of someone actions. One point also to point out, this is generally agreed upon, but still remains in the realm of being subjective (one reason being people of the past had children when there where much younger, had no high school, and could be considered a child).

This also brings me to my last point, PERSONAL responsibility. You commit the act of sex, you make a agreement that you could have a child. Why, you might ask, simple it's a part to the act (might be a weird analogy, but follow it; you put something in your mouth, you know you might swallow it regardless of how careful you are right apply it here). One thing to notice is NO, contraceptive is 100% fool proof (well unless you consider abstinence but that not the debate here). Teenagers must understand the implications of having sex, and the more that it is hit home that you might/will/can whatever have a child the more they take action against such a event.

Someone who could answer, how does teen pregnancy impact Japan, I have a hint because of how they view sex, it's better then here in the United States but I could be wrong.

Your writing.

Second paragraph.

One the topic of you already know, then why state something that depends on the person? The mother could be a saint and the best mother in the world, and that will not change how the person turns out, point is the person decides how to act, not the parent. Here's the headline, its a moot point.

Read the articles that I posted also.

You don't get why I made that comment. IT WAS a question posed in your logic pointed toward you. There was no reason for me to address it in the first point!

Point here is, how do you define whither someone will suffer if they have not lived at all, how do you define wither that life was well lived or not?

I would agree with you that they would be not up to the task if you where talking in the form of children, but your using the word teenage. My question is what does the def. of that word mean to you? Besides that I'm not arguing against that, what I"m saying is the child life is just as valuable to live as the mothers, in essence he/she has the right to live.

You cannot say it as fact either, as in the past younger women has had children and raised them good, it's still a subjective topic.

I said it was subjective for that very reason. If people where having children when they where younger in the past, can you say that it might be socially viable again in the future? the whole point of that paragraph was not about teenage pregnancies, but the viability of having children being on a definitive answer.

Point is, in context of what I said in the paragraph? For every action there is a opposite and equal reaction.

Everyone has a life to make of what they want, some have bad beginnings but, I bet if you ask them they will be glad to tell you that they can live.

You did not read the point about it being the child choice of how to make it thought its life? The mother having a child is a consequence good or bad of having sex, regardless of that the focus is the child not the mother in that point.

How can I make it any clearer that life is not fair, I could whine and cry that I wasn't born in a rich family, that I wasn't born Japanese, that my family was still together, that I wasn't short, etc!

what? Wait you seriously consider that the lifestyle is more important then another human life? Its not about wither the mother can still act the way she did before (personally responsibility there is no get out of jail card in life). If I must say, adoption is a option.

How do you find that letting a child live is wrong (do to its possible upbringing) when you don't find that killing one in the womb isn't?

chew a little on this phrase.

It is better to have lived, then to not at all.

My parents had me when they were 17 and 16 years old. He was an engineer and she stayed at home. It's entirely possible for teenagers to be good and responsible parents, you just have to raise them with good values/firm boundaries/love and support.

Edit: Having read the post above me, this doesn't mean I'm a pro-lifer. Not in the slightest.

MissMisa just summed a lot in one short post. In short you basically need a license to drive own a dog or to a number of things. But a completely unqualified, jobless reckless moron can have a child and responsible for another beings life when they cant even take care of their own. In the end we end up paying for their mistake through the taxes we pay.

Accidents do happen yes we all can be reckless at times. But if you dont want to have an abortion and you KNOW you are not in any type of financial situation to raise the child properly (im going to include mentally prepared as well) The option of adoption is always there. There are plenty of well off stable people who are unable to have children of their own who give a child a loving home and you can chose which family you think is best. There are so many options nowadays people just fail to make the right decisions and think things through carefully.

A child is not an accessory for you to look cute with when going out with your friends its a life treat it as such.

I can agree with the last sentence you said. There are some people out there who have children to look good.

Hm. My mother had her first child when she was 17. Had four more after that.
My mother raised all of us well, loved us all, treated us all well and still does.

That was not the point and not the direction of that saying. I was referring to children growing up and being bad to society. That it did not matter who raised them, and they made that decision.

What about me not living in the UK? How does that relate to what where talking about? If you don't think I "understand" your situation them please tell

Wait, you have time to post you have time to read them. It shouldn't take over 3 minutes.

That is the key word ideal and one you did not elaborate until AFTER I posted. More to the point you said satisfying life. It's a generality that depends on the person point of view what a satisfying life means to them. Hence why I posted such a question.

Contradiction. You first say you can't clearly, then you say you can which one it is? Your guessing at best by looking at the people involved. There cases of people who where "bad" before then having a child they clean up there habits, and vice versa.

That is another subjective answer. Here's some more reading for you.

Memory Forms at 30 Weeks in the Womb: MedlinePlus
ABC Recognizes Survival of 21-Week Baby 'May Change What People Think About Life' | NewsBusters.org

Minorities don't count!? Well I guess blacks, Asians, Latinos don't count as having a voice in your opinion.

Of course minorities count. They are still there are they not?

Don't dodge the paragraph.

It's called being a depended. That said, read that part again. I was not refering to children in terms of them deciding how valuable there current life is, but people (like some on this very thread) valuing there own life!

Apparently I do, it's part of the cornerstone of this argument and one you keep denying. You keep saying that a child who does not have the right environment deserves not to live, to which NOT everyone going to be blessed with that.

by population control? Telling someone you have the right to live and you do not?

? explain how this relates to what I'm saying. Also show where I was warping your words please.

I addressed this. Let for say argument sake, take Obama and say his mother aborted him when he was younger, what effect would you think that would have on America? What about for say Albert Einstien? What about Hilter? I'm not looking at a snapshot of someone life. that said, how much burden are you saying a child brings upon the family?

So Human life is a minor? A child has no value?

JF always brings debates on threads, with debate threads there are people who read in between the lines and turn someones words completely 180 degrees to make their argument stronger. i don't like eggs turn into "you hate chickens?" *sigh*

here's my thought, did cavemen have to worry about teen pregnancy? human race is getting pretty weak.

I think you should have said:

"If you are not mature, do not watch this video"

You appear to have fixations with teenage life stories.

Teenage pregnancy is a healthy thing you would think at such at a young age, but who looks after the baby.

Surely a teenager is not yet responsible enough, also lacking life experience to raise a child.

I have a strong feeling here that you are proud that your parents live in the UK as you have made reference to previously.

I still think you are to immature to have children as it is a HUGE life long responsibility for the functional.