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mercedesjin 07-24-2009 03:49 PM

I have a 16-year-old student that's the father of a 8-month-old girl. It's sad, but he seems to have a good support system. With the right support, teenage parents aren't the most devastating people in the world.

Nagareboshi 07-24-2009 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Salvanas (Post 751058)


Your opinion is wrong.

Yeh, proving a point and "facing the consequences" is all good, but we're talking about a life here. If the chances of this baby not having a satisfying life, then it's better off dead.

To save the rest of the world trouble.

Someone's opinion can't be wrong, because an opinion is like a belief and is not necessarily based on facts. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, regardless if you think it's wrong or not. It can't be wrong just because you disagree with it.

Anyway, to get on topic, I think teen pregnancy occurs far too often in today's world. My cousin got pregnant at 18 after graduating from high school. She got married the father of her kid a couple years later and they're both good parents. My cousin went to college a year after having her kid, and she's got a good job now. Teen pregnancy isn't always a bad thing, it depends on the person who gets pregnant and how they deal with it.

People shouldn't be having sex if they aren't prepared to deal with the responsibility of having a kid. Protection doesn't guarantee 100% that you won't get pregnant.

As for abortion, I think it should only be done in cases of rape or if the pregnancy presents serious health issues for the mother. You shouldn't have an abortion just because you're not ready to have a baby, if you're not ready then don't have sex. If you don't want the baby, give it up for adoption after birth. By having an abortion, you're not dealing with the consequences of your actions, you're just taking the easy way out.

LuckyLuck 07-24-2009 05:03 PM

So I flipped through this thread and read a few post here and there.
A lot of people are saying that teens should just not have sex.
That's an unrealistic opinion because teens are going to have sex no matter what.


Personally, I don't think it's wrong for younger people to have sex, I know a lot of people who lost their virginity at as young as fourteen.
There's nothing really in the world that's going to stop a kid from having sex. Unless you lock them in a box...and that's just ridiculous.
Making mistakes and having regrets are a natural part of growing up. If a kid lives an ideal life without many woes and stays naive to the sexual world, will chances are once they enter the real world, their going to be hurt pretty damn bad or be very unprepared.

I don't really have much of an opinion on teen pregnancy because I never went through it. The way I see it is that it all depends on circumstance. No teen is ready for a child hell few adults are actually ready for a child, but that doesn't mean they won't make a good parent in the long wrong. So I say let the pregnant teens and family of them hold the actual opinions on teen pregnancy and abortion because none of us know what it's really like until we've faced the experience ourselves so who are we to say this is wrong or right, you know?

YukisUke 07-24-2009 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyLuck (Post 751818)
So I flipped through this thread and read a few post here and there.
A lot of people are saying that teens should just not have sex.
That's an unrealistic opinion because teens are going to have sex no matter what.


Personally, I don't think it's wrong for younger people to have sex, I know a lot of people who lost their virginity at as young as fourteen.
There's nothing really in the world that's going to stop a kid from having sex. Unless you lock them in a box...and that's just ridiculous.
Making mistakes and having regrets are a natural part of growing up. If a kid lives an ideal life without many woes and stays naive to the sexual world, will chances are once they enter the real world, their going to be hurt pretty damn bad or be very unprepared.

I don't really have much of an opinion on teen pregnancy because I never went through it. The way I see it is that it all depends on circumstance. No teen is ready for a child hell few adults are actually ready for a child, but that doesn't mean they won't make a good parent in the long wrong. So I say let the pregnant teens and family of them hold the actual opinions on teen pregnancy and abortion because none of us know what it's really like until we've faced the experience ourselves so who are we to say this is wrong or right, you know?

I can agree with you there. Give people a chance before you write them off as irresponsible or wrong. Doing that is just not right and that people that do that wouldn't want tot have that be done to them.

FeyOberon 07-24-2009 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyLuck (Post 751818)
The way I see it is that it all depends on circumstance. No teen is ready for a child hell few adults are actually ready for a child, but that doesn't mean they won't make a good parent in the long wrong.

That's the most enlightened response I've seen on this thread so far.

Also, it seems like many are treating the issue like an "A or B" situation: have a baby and a miserable life, or get an abortion. Actually, it's at least an A, B, C, or D situation, in my opinion. In adition to "A" and "B," adoption is a very feasible option. Or (if you are fortunate enough to have a good support system) you can choose to mature a little, work hard, love your child, and still live a full life.

YukisUke 07-24-2009 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by FeyOberon (Post 751861)
That's the most enlightened response I've seen on this thread so far.

Also, it seems like many are treating the issue like an "A or B" situation: have a baby and a miserable life, or get an abortion. Actually, it's at least an A, B, C, or D situation, in my opinion. In adition to "A" and "B," adoption is a very feasible option. Or (if you are fortunate enough to have a good support system) you can choose to mature a little, work hard, love your child, and still live a full life.

Hell Yeah!! LOL.

JasonTakeshi 07-24-2009 08:47 PM

What are those retards laughing at? I cant understand the joy of laughing at a young mother in pain giving birth to a child.

Well, the majority who were laughing, were boys. (Doesnt surprise me at all)

MMM 07-24-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLastFortnight (Post 751874)
It's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, I mean "read". So we shouldn't have sex unless we're prepared to have kids?

Don't make me laugh, the contraceptive methods we have now are all very safe, teenagers get pregnant because they usually don't use any, it's pure stupidity.

If the condom breaks, which doesn't happen often, just make the girl take the morning-after pill. I would never have children in my life, I'm not prepared, I never will and I don't want to, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't have sex.

If you can't handle the responsibilities of your actions, then you shouldn't do those actions. That is 100% valid.

Sex is risky behavior. No contraceptive method is 100%, and there is no "RESET" button if the girl gets pregnant. Like it or not, both people are responsible for what happens next.

MMM 07-24-2009 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLastFortnight (Post 751892)
I know we should face the consequences of our actions and be prepared to it, but I don't think that most of the people who have sex regularly are prepared to have kids, and if the contraceptive methods aren't 100% safe, at least it's something near it.

Most of the girls who get pregnant at a young age doesn't take any kind of prevention, if a girl takes contraceptive pills and uses condoms, I just can't imagine she's getting pregnant.

But it happens...more often than you might think. Regardless of what precautions you think you are taking, full on intercourse is playing with fire.

Hyakushi 07-24-2009 11:15 PM

Depends on the person, if they are stupid as F%&k then we should kill or abort the kid. Society has enough dumbasses already.
If they can take care of the child on their own then its all golden which in most cases they just push the baby onto the parents.
Everyone already know that kids today think they know everything about anything. SO when they have sex with just condoms they think its all rainbows and sunshine. Its not, I had a kid at age 15 and I used a condom.
I had no clue about anything else though, didn't know about birthcontrol etc.
I don't like blaming it on others but I think its the parents responsibility to talk to their own kids about sex and protections.
You know kids aren't smart!, so why keep saying they should know better?.
Its like saying a dog should know better than to sh$t on your floor, he doesn't unless you teach him =/.

nobora 07-24-2009 11:21 PM

They know the conciquences and they know how to prevent it. That they did not take precautions is their own fault.

Hyakushi 07-24-2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nobora (Post 751925)
They know the conciquences and they know how to prevent it. That they did not take precautions is their own fault.

Do they really????

nobora 07-24-2009 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyakushi (Post 751929)
Do they really????

course they do unless they spent their time sleeping in health class

Hyakushi 07-24-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nobora (Post 751931)
course they do unless they spent their time sleeping in health class

Well not many school teach a sex ed class =/.
Schools up here have physical education that teach almost the same thing as health but with out sex ed.

So then what?

Then again they also have programs for that sort of thing but its not like all kids want to go to those things.

I think it has to do with attitude, that sort of "I don't give a F$%k about what happens because its not my problem". Thats how they all think now days.

nobora 07-24-2009 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyakushi (Post 751933)
Well not many school teach a sex ed class =/.
Schools up here have physical education that teach almost the same thing as health but with out sex ed.

So then what?

Then again they also have programs for that sort of thing but its not like all kids want to go to those things.

I think it has to do with attitude, that sort of "I don't give a F$%k about what happens because its not my problem". Thats how they all think now days.

LOl but then you learn out on the streets and COMMERCIALS!!

Hyakushi 07-24-2009 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by nobora (Post 751935)
LOl but then you learn out on the streets and COMMERCIALS!!

Learning on the streets lead to Prengancy xD Hahahahaha! Comercials . . . like people watch those anymore with Tevo on the rise.

nobora 07-24-2009 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Hyakushi (Post 751938)
Learning on the streets lead to Prengancy xD Hahahahaha! Comercials . . . like people watch those anymore with Tevo on the rise.

LOL yup the streets get you prgnat.Tevo......TEVO ....fun to say XD

Nagareboshi 07-25-2009 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLastFortnight (Post 751874)
It's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard, I mean "read". So we shouldn't have sex unless we're prepared to have kids?

Don't make me laugh, the contraceptive methods we have now are all very safe, teenagers get pregnant because they usually don't use any, it's pure stupidity.

If the condom breaks, which doesn't happen often, just make the girl take the morning-after pill. I would never have children in my life, I'm not prepared, I never will and I don't want to, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't have sex.

What do you mean "read"? Read what? Please don't call my opinion stupid, I don't appreciate it.

Yes, you should'nt have sex unless you're prepared to have kids because condoms and birth control pills don't work 100% of the time, which I I said in my previous post.

orewasenshi 07-25-2009 01:38 AM

Teenage pregnancy is a tough subject to discuss.

I personally think it's just plain wrong, because it's not even teenagers anymore, really. I see 6th graders having baby bumps. Seriously, what is this world coming to? I say have sex when you're really willing to give it to someone who you know you can trust. I may have not been so smart about it, but thank god nothing happened to me[if I was pregnant, that'd be one UGLY baby, lol.] Anyway, I trusted the guy I was with, and if something goes wrong, then you just have to deal with the problem.

I mean, take the movie Juno, for example. Kids do get bored, so stuff usually happens that aren't supposed to. *shrug* It all depends on people's opinions.

YukisUke 07-25-2009 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by orewasenshi (Post 752009)
Teenage pregnancy is a tough subject to discuss.

I personally think it's just plain wrong, because it's not even teenagers anymore, really. I see 6th graders having baby bumps. Seriously, what is this world coming to? I say have sex when you're really willing to give it to someone who you know you can trust. I may have not been so smart about it, but thank god nothing happened to me[if I was pregnant, that'd be one UGLY baby, lol.] Anyway, I trusted the guy I was with, and if something goes wrong, then you just have to deal with the problem.

I mean, take the movie Juno, for example. Kids do get bored, so stuff usually happens that aren't supposed to. *shrug* It all depends on people's opinions.

That was the funniest and yet the most realistic coming-of-age movie I've seen in a long time. I wish all teen mothers were like the main character in my opinion.

solemnclockwork 07-25-2009 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by orewasenshi (Post 752009)
Kids do get bored, so stuff usually happens that aren't supposed to. *shrug* It all depends on people's opinions.

That is why it always good to set boundaries between relationships.

YukisUke 07-25-2009 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by solemnclockwork (Post 752026)
That is why it always good to set boundaries between relationships.

Like what kind of boundaries? :confused:

orewasenshi 07-25-2009 01:52 AM

Yeah, boundaries of knowing when both people are ready would be nice.....

YukisUke 07-25-2009 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by orewasenshi (Post 752035)
Yeah, boundaries of knowing when both people are ready would be nice.....

Yes. Some guys are always rushing the girls and when one thing leads to another and the girl has a bun in the oven, he's quick to disappear. Guys should wait until the girls are ready.

Nyororin 07-25-2009 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by FeyOberon (Post 751861)
That's the most enlightened response I've seen on this thread so far.

Also, it seems like many are treating the issue like an "A or B" situation: have a baby and a miserable life, or get an abortion. Actually, it's at least an A, B, C, or D situation, in my opinion. In adition to "A" and "B," adoption is a very feasible option. Or (if you are fortunate enough to have a good support system) you can choose to mature a little, work hard, love your child, and still live a full life.

And this response is probably the BEST I have seen so far in this thread. :)

Having a child as a teen is probably never really a good thing, or at least not the best thing to have happen... But that does not automatically mean it is an all out bad thing in every case.
I know a girl who had a kid at 15. She was a heavy-duty drink all night, skip school for months on end, chain smoking, sleeping with every guy she could, etc etc etc girl. Then she got pregnant... And was too scared to abort, plus had romantic dreams that the father would swoop in and give her a great and wonderful life.
Of course, that didn`t happen. But something else did. She didn`t want to hurt the baby so stopped drinking and smoking. She wanted it to be healthy so started eating right... After the baby was born, she took advantage of some teenage mother program and went back to school. She didn`t go to college, but ended up going through one of those technical programs for work skills - went on and got a job, then found a great guy with twins about the same age as her kid and got married. As far as I know she is happy, and has even said that having the baby turned her life around and was the best thing that happened to her. Had she gone through with an abortion, she`d have probably ended up on the street like her sister.

To make the assumption that it`s ALWAYS the worst thing that can happen is going way too far. Every person is different, and there are going to be at least a handful of teenage mothers who will be excellent parents.

The issue isn`t pregnancy, in my opinion, but society in itself. It`s no longer a matter of saying "Don`t have sex!" or "Be more careful!", as that doesn`t work. I think there needs to be more attention paid to WHY that isn`t working. Figuring out the real reasons why this is happening and preventing it will go a lot further than trying to figure out how to clean up the mess.

YukisUke 07-26-2009 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 752077)
And this response is probably the BEST I have seen so far in this thread. :)

Having a child as a teen is probably never really a good thing, or at least not the best thing to have happen... But that does not automatically mean it is an all out bad thing in every case.
I know a girl who had a kid at 15. She was a heavy-duty drink all night, skip school for months on end, chain smoking, sleeping with every guy she could, etc etc etc girl. Then she got pregnant... And was too scared to abort, plus had romantic dreams that the father would swoop in and give her a great and wonderful life.
Of course, that didn`t happen. But something else did. She didn`t want to hurt the baby so stopped drinking and smoking. She wanted it to be healthy so started eating right... After the baby was born, she took advantage of some teenage mother program and went back to school. She didn`t go to college, but ended up going through one of those technical programs for work skills - went on and got a job, then found a great guy with twins about the same age as her kid and got married. As far as I know she is happy, and has even said that having the baby turned her life around and was the best thing that happened to her. Had she gone through with an abortion, she`d have probably ended up on the street like her sister.

To make the assumption that it`s ALWAYS the worst thing that can happen is going way too far. Every person is different, and there are going to be at least a handful of teenage mothers who will be excellent parents.

The issue isn`t pregnancy, in my opinion, but society in itself. It`s no longer a matter of saying "Don`t have sex!" or "Be more careful!", as that doesn`t work. I think there needs to be more attention paid to WHY that isn`t working. Figuring out the real reasons why this is happening and preventing it will go a lot further than trying to figure out how to clean up the mess.

I certainly agree.


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