I have said that the award was a surprise to me and to him, and I am sure there are a dozen people at least that deserve it more. But you said he deserves to be last on a list of names of almost 200 names you don't know (though you are taking it back a little now). Anyone can be a nominee, so, again, I think it is purely emotional to automatically put the standing president's name at the bottom. The president of Iran's name could be on that list for all we know.

It is a political award given out by representative politicians, so calling the choice political isn't very ground-shaking. The committee has said that it wasn't for specific achievements but for the hope and inspiration Pres. Obama has brought to the world community. So it is harder to quantify than orphanages or hospitals built, but I can't say is is valueless.

So Congratulations to Obama, and a wish to move onward and upward.

You welcome. :) Well, even the posts outside the US an PL are written by Poles. A heards that this site is created by Polish guys. It's nice accent today, after the President's deed. :)

By the way, I'd like to give Poland an apology for the way Obama backed out of the deal Bush made to protect your country and others with the missile shield system. Hopefully, Poland would never have needed it anyway, but with Russia becoming more expansionist again and Iran and others trying to get nuclear bombs and long range missiles to deliver them, it would have been an extra bit of protection. How are most Poles taking the news?

Even if you guys don't think he deserves it, why are you so upset that he won it. He is an American representative, and has wont the nobel peace prize. Arent you guys happy that the rest of the world is more accepting of us? Arent you glad that we are becoming well liked in the world? Even if you don't think he deserves it, I would hope you would be happy for the President. I do understand that not everyone is from the US here. But the ones who are from the US, i don't understand. Do you guys want to go back to being one of the most hated countries? I know I don't, and I for one am glad Obama has such a following all over the world.

And here is a quote from Michael Moore that I found very interesting.

"P.S. Your opposition has spent the morning attacking you for bringing such good will to this country. Why do they hate America so much? I get the feeling that if you found the cure for cancer this afternoon they'd be denouncing you for destroying free enterprise because cancer centers would have to close. There are those who say you've done nothing yet to deserve this award. As far as I'm concerned, the very fact that you've offered to walk into the minefield of hate and try to undo the irreparable damage the last president did is not only appreciated by me and millions of others, it is also an act of true bravery. That's why you got the prize. The whole world is depending on the U.S. -- and you -- to literally save this planet. Let's not let them down."

heres the link to the whole article: Congratulations President Obama on the Nobel Peace Prize -- Now Please Earn it! | MichaelMoore.com

No, please. I don't consider you and American people responsible for Obama. Even the majority has elected him. :) For me it wasn't really important case. Our Primie Minister and President has kids playing like kids aroung the shield instead the providing good discussion about the shield (Is it important? does Poland need it? What's the prize? What abou Russia? etc.) Here, we had just few stupid slogans. And the question. What news? You mean Obama, shield, Lisbon Treaty?

You have no right in this case. It's not important to me, in this situation, to accept USA as some category, just because Obama won the Prize. I didn't stard to like the US more or less. I don't like Obama, I don't like USA as a state, not a country. It's not the same, remember. Country is a historical, cultural thing. The USA form the beginning has many things to offer the world. The state was good in the past, but in the last years, Europe and USA are changing to worse, and Obama is the represantant of this change's line. I'm not happy with the USA going to be more and more familiar with many dying European states. Under Ron Paul, USA can be again the state worth to mention. "Look sonny at the Ocean. Here is Europe, and here is America. It's a free state. America is back to hers roots. Hopefully." Can you say, America is, today, free state? Under FED, and Obama, and bailout, and higher taxes than in the past? With illegal somewhere weapon, with which you want to feel secure? I really like USA, and I wish, that USA will be again a free state.
I'm not from the US, but try to understand your comrades(sorry for Soviet vocabulary, but i have no right world, I forgot). The can be not very happy of Obama's presidency. And of course, imagine how the comitee looks. It's not a voice of a people. Did people said, that Obama is working hard for world peace? No. This is the voice of the infuential people, who are creating new range of authorities. Do you think Al Gore did more than Irena Sendlerowa? Not beacuse she was polish. (BTW, Lech Walesa also shoudn't get the Nobel Prize) It doesn't mattes what nationalisty she is.

Yes I do know the difference between a state and country, although I think you mean nation. Or at least that is how I was always taught. I dont think you have to like anyone. Im not trying to say Obama is perfect. I dont think he is perfect. I was more gearing my questions to people who are American, but they can apply to anyone. Here in the US there is a sense of hating Obama for the sake of hating Obama. Even when he does good things he is ridiculed for something. This is what I dont get, hating Obama just becuase your side did not win. Just like when people cheered when the Chicago did not get the Olympic bid. They were happy because something Obama supported failed. It does not make any sense to me. Someone clear this up for me. I dont understand how you cant be at leas somewhat happy when YOUR president wins a prestigious award. Sorry for people from other countries that dislike him. No matter what you think about him though, its hard to deny that he has much more of a international appeal than previous US presidents.

Do you think, I'm against Obama's Prize, because he's American? I hated Obama before the Nobel Prizes contest, and I think 99% of Obama's enemies felt the same. It's not really important, that Sendlerowa was Polish, I just respect her sacrify. Do you know, that Germans could kill her or send to Auschwitz/Chelmno nad Nerem/Majdanek/Treblinka camp? I think it's more than Gore's insanity. And I hate Gore, not because he won, not because he's American. I hate, because he is, who he is. That's all.

You should remember about the sense of the the US President. Why something like this exist? It exists for American people - Obama is your President, not mine. He wasnn't elected for me, to make me happy due to his better than Bush's appeal. He was elected for you. And he is working as a President every day, serving to American people, leading the USA and representing all American people and values. Not for me. I have my own President.
For example, my President, Lech Kaczynski is winning the Nobel or sth like this. I'm not happy, that means the Comitee is a total mistake. Kaczynski has shown today that he is a criminal.

I was saying that stuff more for American people. And I never said you disliked him becuase he was American. I said many Americans hate him just for the sake of hating him. And I know you have your own president. Obama wont effect you directly as far as laws go. But its hard to deny international politics. Even though he is not your direct president, he still has an impact on you. And since you seem to be so passionate about disliking obama. Why is that, you even said that we elected him for us not you. Why do you care so much?

Just a question, not to be rude or demeaning to anyone, but who here has taken an intro world politics class? I'm just wondering, I really am curious.

I'm sensing the same thing. For me as well it is hard to understand why so many people so passionately hate Obama. I understand that not everything he does is perfect and he can't please everyone with his choices, but even when good things happen to him like winning the Nobel Peace Prize, he is still degraded and demeaned. I personally think that is a rather sad state of America. Him winning the Nobel Peace Prize was a shock to me, as I am sure it was to many other people (the president included), but I wasn't angry and didn't hate him for winning such an award. I think it is a great achievement and is representative of how the US is changing in the world's eyes for the better.

That's just it... there was no achievement. A bunch of socialists got together and chose "Socialist of the Year" without a care in the world about real accomplishments or achievements. It was a popularity contest. And it was not America's popularity that they considered, it was Obama's and his far left agenda that they were rewarding/encouraging. How in the world is that a good or beneficial thing? I don't care if Obama is awarded "Lefty of the Year", but the real shame is that many people and organizations out there, trying to help people, could have benefited from this and didn't because of a political popularity contest. That's what's sad.

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It doesn't really make much sense to me? If what the news stations said is true then he was only in office 12 days. Not enough time to make a change. He didn't win it based off what he's done but rather what he's promised to do.

And you believe the media?
I really do think both parties blow everything out of the water....every time.

I just looked it up and nominations must be in by Feb. 1st. Obama was sworn in on the 20th. So Obama was actually in office less time than the media said.


So, what did Obama do during the 20th and the first to become a nominee for the noble peace prize???

I did say I beleived the media I said IF WHAT THE NEWS SAID IS TRUE.

And after doing the looking up on it, apparently they were telling the truth.

Don't listen to the "chosen in February" argument. It isn't true. Acceptance of nominations ends in February, that is all.

riddle me this what have you done this year? or in your entire life i could easily make the same argument about you, or someone i know or myself for that matter. Try not thinking on such a tiny scale and actually analyze what you see and hear not just reproducing the some tired old crap.

Now i will admit i was taken a back when i heard it since this was not even on my scope. I find it funny no one even mentioned his speech on winning it. He pretty much acknowledged what many of you are complaining about. He himself stated that he does not feel he has done enough to deserve the award, nor does he feel that he is more deserving than winners of years past, he also stated that there is a lot more work to do. I actually thought he was going to decline it but instead he took it on good faith for what he is trying to accomplish and used the honor of winning the award as motivation.

It was clearly stated WHY he wont its no secret its not some cover up. learn how to read its right there for gods sake and if that is not enough the committee also stated why he won because of what he IS trying to accomplish not what he has accomplished but what he IS aiming to accomplish which denuclearization. Do i think it was too soon for him to win it, in a way yes because he has a lot to deal with right now and this is just a distraction and another reason for people to attack him.

So i will end this with my usual comment.

If any of you think you can do a better job in the world shut up and put up. I dont care if your American, African, English or Chinese if you think you got what it takes to make the world better than just talking then do it.

Ok you people need to do some research before you start freaking out. People are making a huge deal about him only being in office before being nominated. This is not when he was picked for the prize, only nominated. Many people get nominated. And I think everyone needs to read this article, but here is a quick quote that I hope calms some of you down, or at leas it should.

"Oftentimes, the winners are people who have not completed their work toward peace, but who are at a critical juncture in their work and who need the support that winning the Nobel Peace Prize brings."

full article: What Does It Take to Win the Nobel Peace Prize - How Are Nobel Peace Prize Winners Chosen - Nobel Peace Prize Selection

But he is representing our country, so yes it is becuase of Americas popularity. And is it such a terrible thing that he is upping the US's popularity. I for one dont think so. I dont mind one bit that we are much more accepted in the worlds eyes. And I truly am sick of the socialist card, its very petty to just throw it in there to make Obama seem like the worst guy in the world. Great Fox news tactics your using. When you cant find anything else to be mad at Obama for, just call him a socialist, that'll show' em.

The problem is he is becoming popular in the eyes of the wrong people.
Giving Ghadafi 400K at the last UN meeting....
Being weak on issues that make America's enemies smack their lips.

The socialist card is being played because of this year's socialist acts. Do we need to really list them? Maybe not all from Obama directly, but strongly from this administation as a whole.

We have a president who priorities are to travel across the globe in two convoys that have been estimated at 2 million dollars to try to round of the 2016 olympics for Chicago of all places.. where we get national news of Chicago gangs out of control the same freaking night!!!?!?! At the same time Obama flies the General Mcchrystal to the runway in Denmark to meet/scold him for 25 mins to tell him to keep his mouth shut to the media and that his months old requests are going to be put on the back burner...

(By the way did anyone read the President's and First Lady's speech for the bid for the 2016 Olympics... my god... High School Sophmore level speeches at best. )

When I see stuff like I saw on Detroit on the news last week, I thought it was Katrina all over again. I see infrustructure collapsing, I see disasters like Katrina, States that can't balance a budge and declaring bankruptcy of the state....I should weep, Americans should weep. Luckily these places are few if you look at the country as a whole, but these problems are growing and spreading... Government health insurance isn't going to help this. Printing money and wealth distribution is going to help this. Spending our way into oblivion isn't going to solve this. Rewarding failure isn't going to help. Crxpping on the military isn't going to help. America has got real problems, and what is being addressed is not helping these issues.

You can knock Fox news all you want, but this is one of the few media sources that are actually making real changes in rooting out corruption and inaquticies of government. They break the story first, and other media sources as CNN, CBS and ABC are having no choice but to follow suit.

Government in the US is out of control and officials live like rock stars at citizens expense. Priorities are so far out of wack. The worst part of it is ... they know exactly what they want and are doing it.

If anything this administration is waking up the nation fast...and the nation isn't liking what they see in what THIS and PAST government has become. I thank Obama for that even if it was done indirectly.

I should of had a V8.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

Who are "the wrong people?"

I don't understand these catch phrases. Can you please explain?

Either Obama has done nothing, or he has done "socialist acts". So yes, you really need to list them. So far I have heard that Obama has done nothing, so I would really like to hear about the "socialist acts" he has actually accomplished.

Spending 2 million dollars to try and land the Olympics is probably conservative compared to how much Japan and Brazil spent...but what is the problem? Please explain why advocating for the Olympics to be held in America is a bad thing.

Let's hear your better speech. I assume you have graduated high school. Where did Obama and his wife mess up?

FOX "News" is a conservative spout. They aren't even shy about it. Pardon my direct statement, but only morons consider FOX "News" to be fair and bipartisan. This is standard operations. People that quote FOX "News" are in a different category from people that get their news from more reliable sources. Don't get me wrong, FOX "News" is incredibly entertaining.

Again, I don't know what you are really saying. The majority of government officials do not live like "rock stars" but I would love to hear more about that.

Yes, i would love if you listed the socialist acts. I have heard many "reasons" before, but with some simple research, all of those reasons have been debunked. Its just a buzz word that is meant to strike fear and hatred into the eyes of his opponents.

And I wouldn't hate Fox news so much if they were actually as good as you claim. The reason they "break the story first" is becuase they jump onto stories when they don't even know all the facts. I cant even tell you how many things I have seen that just use speculation and opinion, over fact. If people are going to make fun of Obama for being a tv personality, they should hate Fox news just as much. They do not use news reporters, just tv/radio personalities to host their shows

And I do not see any problem whatsoever for him trying to get Chicago into the olympics. In fact I loved it. It could have been a great boost for us. People hated it becuase it was an Obama project. "And this he has better things to do" argument is old too. Can the man do nothing else. Anytime he does anything, he has better things to do.

Why do you have to ruin what you said with something like that? It really gets to me when people say things like this, as if you're trying to imply that if someone can't do something, then he can't criticize it! The world would be a very silent place if people could not criticize something unless they thought they could do better :rolleyes:

I complain, you complain, everyone complains... But the majority of us aren't complaining to say "well, if I was up there, I'd be doing a better job". I complain about Algerian politics non stop, the government is corrupt like almost every African government... However, me not being a lawyer, or a politician, I know that I wouldn't be able to do a better job... BUT, I still complain at things I don't like... Every citizen has a right to complain about their country! Comes with something westerners love to call Freedom of Speech!

Edit: Also, that little paragraph about why they gave Obama the prize is the problem with many people. I think you'll find that the majority of people that are against this prize are attacking this reason, not Obama... It seems people are too sensitive... Maybe the media in the US has been too negative, so Obama supporters assume that everyone that is against anything Obama, is attacking Obama... This is not the case at all! The closest thing I have to being negative towards Obama is the Obama craze! And even that, it's more a problem with his foreign supporters than Obama himself!!

Maybe instead of 'congratulations', here we should say おめでと! Haha

Also if you want best unbiased news on event, I go read news in places like Japan Times or China Daily- other countries are good source of a view!

There might be a lot of this award we do not know all the details of, so we shouldn't be harsh to judge. Also we should always be happy for good things and not try to say bad things because it makes us look bad and bitter. So let's be nice to our fellow humans- 'omedeto'! (What a speech, do I win the Peace Prize now? Thank you! :P)

"Don't get me wrong, FOX "News" is incredibly entertaining. "

i disagree,... i supported the afghanistan / iraq war, and still do, but even i couldnt stand more than 5 minutes of fox's right wing bollocks.

and wow 11 pages,.... scandanavians havent had this much effect on the world since ABBA!

:P

Obama get the Prize. It's a fact, but it doesn't mean, it's is good desicions. It doesnn't mean all American people must be happy just because US Prezident won the Prize. Is your duty? Is it my duty to be happy, because Lech Walesa won the Peace Nobel in the past? Do you thin the 305(?) millions of people must to be happy? People in Soviet Russia, the Soviet Union must loved Lenin and Stalin, and they loved them. The Campaign looked like total insanity, and this insanity made one step more. That prize is the confirmation of the changing in US and global politics. Socialism, protectionism, trade unions, ecology instead freedom.

Samurai said that Nobel has been given by commies to commies, and he's right. That's why Obama and Walesa won.

I know they are not attacking Obama well the intelligent ones at least. However some are using this as a spring board to do so. Im not a die hard Obama fan am i fan yes, did i vote for him yes, but i have voted across party lines several times and it doesn't matter than im black. Like i said i honestly thought he was going to decline it.

People have the right to complain we do it in our everyday lives it natural. My final comment was not really meant for all but more for the poster i quoted and those who think like him. They think they have all the answers, they could do this better they say that while putting down someone who you dont have to like but can knowledge as working damn hard to get where he is. I admire Obama's hardwork to get where he is today and where he was before he was president so when i see someone who obviously has not made any contributions to society act like a smartass yea im going to say something. Which is why i asked him what have you done this year to better the world even if its just a little bit. he could have said what he said without being completely disrespectful and way off base.

The attack was not aimed at you or like minded people. But even I understood why he won the prize in the 1 min it took for me to research it. Freedom of Speech damn right i support it, it allows people to say jack ass things and allows me to call them on their bullshit. All this prize did was add to that mans pressure to preform. I actually dont think he wanted but of course he couldnt decline.

i really dont care about the prize that much i want the focus to shift back to fixing the problems that need fixing. So the sooner this dies down the better.

President Obama didn't do anything. Weren't other nominies actually doing something life threatening and dangerous for the sake of their country and for themselves?

Yes, they were, and that's what's galling. They could have used the recognition and prize money to further those good works, helping women or children, fighting Mugabe, building schools, etc, rather than dropping it in Obama's re-election campaign fund...

sigh No trying reading it again and try learning about the process of how and why the noble peace prize is awarded. It is not always awarded for what a person has done, it his not as simple as just risking your life there were over 200 nominees not all of them were risking their life for something also why would they present an award to you for doing something for yourself?

You see Noodle this is what im talking about. Im not aggravated at people complaints over him getting the awarded im aggravated over the fact that people have time to sit and read a post about whats happening in the world but dont have time to actually READ the how's and why's several post here just seem like jumping on the band wagon.

He gave hope to a lot of people... but it wasn't Nobel Prize-worthy.

America's Enemies.

Muammar Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi... you know... Gaddafi... 400k "Obama to disburse $2.5 million in economic aid to Libya, including $400,000 for Qaddafi's foundations. Of the $400,000 half will go to a foundation run by the leader's son, Saif, and the other half to one run by his daughter, Aisha."

A growing weakness on the international stage. Not since Carter has there ever been such a display to the world. This enboldens America's enemies.
Would you like me to list these demonstrations, or do you deny that any exists.

I'm not sure I follow you. Accomplishments do not equal socialistic acts.
Well.... that is... last time I checked the constitution.

* The happy go-lucky Swedish have been quoted saying even they wouldn't be prepared to bail out and own car factories.

* That little nationalized health care plan be proposed that has been proven to be unsustainable we can't afford

* Wealth distribution .... demonstrated best by cash for clunkers.

* The president has admitted that he doesn't believe in trickle down economics.

* Government dependency programs growing

* Call for more government regulation

* Government spending was 37% of GDP in 2008... I fear what new highs this year will reach.

* Bailouts: They are privatizing gains and socializing losses.

* Don't get me started on what is being taught in public schools.


and the list goes on...
More?


The olympics *rarely* turn a profit... they do the opposite. Especially in corrupt city such as Chicago..
Especially in the situation the US is in for many years to come.
It was an excuse for the fed government to write itself a check, and have future adminsitration blame past administrations when it fails while they line their pockets.
Chicago has got its issues aline...



;) I take it then you didn't read it because you wouldn't need to ask would you.

Here you go..

The preview:

Link 1:

Michelle Obama: It's a 'sacrifice' to travel to Europe to pitch for the Olympics. But I'm doing it for the kids. | Washington Examiner

Link 2:

President Obama, Michelle Obama's 2016 Olympics Speeches: Full Transcript

Why would the OLC give a hoot about their kids or michelle sitting on her Dad's lap when she was 20.

"Not just as a mother raising two beautiful young women to embrace athleticism and pursue their full potential. I'm also asking as a daughter. See, my dad would have been so proud to witness these Games in Chicago. And I know they would have meant something much more to him, too. You see, in my dad's early thirties, he was diagnosed with Multiple Sclerosis. And as he got sicker, it became harder for him to walk, "...
The fail boat has docked already...

The president basically was also just ... "its not about me" but yeah... it really is...
Walk with him on a journey to the olympics in Chicagoo... blah blah..
Read it and ask me again with a straight face.
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Basically your statement of Fox news in itself isn't fair or bipartisan. There are conservative independents and democrats you know...

Say what you will ... they are the media that are changing other major media sources. ABC and CNN refused to cover Acorn corruption and Van Jones until they couldn't play it down any more. The white house is tied to CNN/ABC/CBS so tightly that heads roll when anything really negative against the administration is uncovered and put out by these media giants. Its changing though for the better; which is wonderful ... recent Detroit and Chicago are examples of this....


Government officials only treat themselves to the best at the expense of tax payers is what I was trying to get across. They are the true definition of elitism.


here is a stat top of the google lookup....
Government salaries vs. private sector salaries - CNN.com

Most of them can't even be bothered to read bills they pass.
Look at the amount of vacation and pay...

You say "do not"... back it up my friend.

Ill post this quote again, because Im not sure anyone really read it.

"Oftentimes, the winners are people who have not completed their work toward peace, but who are at a critical juncture in their work and who need the support that winning the Nobel Peace Prize brings."

And I still am not anywhere near convinced that he is a socialist. I have heard many arguments saying he is a socialist, but none have many facts. Health care is a big one that people call him a socialist for, I don't get it.

And just becuase Fox news has had the balls to report something a couple times doesn't mean they do it all the time or are perfect. They report many false thing as well. Plus some of their "newscasters" report opinions not facts.

Nobel Peace Prize should be earned period.
Not for something you're in a "critical juncture" for.
Carter got the award also for being in a critical juncture cause he didn't did sh!t for this country.

MLK Jr. earned it
Mother Teresa earned it

Noble Peace Prize is a lost cause now.

Clint, I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. I could go back through point by point, but the little issues are not on topic and we are basically getting into opinion on both sides.

Regardless, let's hope that this award leads to the president helping make the world a better place. I think we can all agree to that.

11 days into his Presidency is not far enough along to be at a "critical juncture" to be nominated. 9 months in is not long enough to have earned winning it. If he'd been working at it for decades, maybe I could see it, but not a mere 9 months, and definitely not 11 days.

Socialism means the government takes over doing things, deciding things, and running things from the private sector. They are the ones that make the decisions under socialism, not the people. Whether it is creating a government-run healthcare system, or requiring everyone to buy health insurance and being punished with thousands of dollars in additional taxes if you don't comply, that is government making the decisions. That's socialism.

No one said Fox is "perfect", but they are a heck of a lot better than the sycophants at ABC, CBS, CNN, and (MS)NBC. They might as well be a state-run media, for all their objectivity toward him, and they unabashedly did everything they could to get him elected and to not report on any scandals.

In general terms yes, but what constitutes "a better place" may not be the same. I see unilateral American disarmament at a time when rogue nations are acquiring nuclear weapons, appeasement of evil, apology tours, socialist policies that are ruining our economy and taking away our freedoms, and retreat from the global war on terrorists to be making the world a worse place, not better, but that's exactly the kind of stuff this award was meant to encourage...

Forget the "11 days" argument. It isn't true. Nominations ended in February, and then several months go by as the committee mulls it's decision.

His nomination was just 11 days after taking office. That is true. And he had done absolutely nothing in 11 days to warrant a nomination. It's like a movie being nominated for an Academy Award 11 days into filming... even if the actual decision came a little later, it should never have been nominated in the first place, no matter how good you think the finished product will be!