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darksyndrem 10-11-2009 11:03 PM

I'm confused. He was nominated 11 days after taking office....but what about before he had taken office? Couldn't he have been nominated for things he had done before he was president?

MMM 10-11-2009 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by samurai007 (Post 776580)
His nomination was just 11 days after taking office. That is true. And he had done absolutely nothing in 11 days to warrant a nomination. It's like a movie being nominated for an Academy Award 11 days into filming... even if the actual decision came a little later, it should never have been nominated in the first place, no matter how good you think the finished product will be!

Who knows who nominated him? You can't blame the committee for that.

samurai007 10-11-2009 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 776582)
I'm confused. He was nominated 11 days after taking office....but what about before he had taken office? Couldn't he have been nominated for things he had done before he was president?

And just what did he do before taking office? He was a Senator who only showed up to work for about 140 days before effectively dropping out to run for President, and never did anything of substance and import. Before that, he was a "community organizer" in bed with scum like Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, and Rashid Khalidi, among many others. So no, he has never done anything in his life to warrant a nomination, much less win.

clintjm 10-11-2009 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 776582)
I'm confused. He was nominated 11 days after taking office....but what about before he had taken office? Couldn't he have been nominated for things he had done before he was president?

That is true... he could of been nominated for his work before becoming president.
Does anyone know what these could be? Anyone?

clintjm 10-11-2009 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 776584)
Who knows who nominated him? You can't blame the committee for that.

:confused:

samurai007 10-11-2009 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 776584)
Who knows who nominated him? You can't blame the committee for that.

There must be some checks on the process. You can't just nominate yourself or your mom or your dog. I'm sure someone, somewhere, is required to weed out the ridiculous and pointless nominations, but they missed this one.

And then the committee actually decided to award it to him, despite having done nothing, with many, many more qualified nominees passed over for purely political reasons.

darksyndrem 10-11-2009 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by samurai007 (Post 776585)
And just what did he do before taking office? He was a Senator who only showed up to work for about 140 days before effectively dropping out to run for President, and never did anything of substance and import. Before that, he was a "community organizer" in bed with scum like Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, and Rashid Khalidi, among many others. So no, he has never done anything in his life to warrant a nomination, much less win.

Wow.....in my mind, you're on the same level as everyone who's worshiping/defending Obama at every cost.

samurai007 10-11-2009 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by darksyndrem (Post 776591)
Wow.....in my mind, you're on the same level as everyone who's worshiping/defending Obama at every cost.

I'm simply stating the facts on the ground. If Obama does something praiseworthy, I'll say good job. But I'm not going to sugar-coat the truth of the politics behind this award... why should I?

darksyndrem 10-11-2009 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by samurai007 (Post 776593)
I'm simply stating the facts on the ground. If Obama does something praiseworthy, I'll say good job. But I'm not going to sugar-coat the truth of the politics behind this award... why should I?

I don't think you're sugar-coating anything, and I don't think you should. The problem is, I really don't think it's raw truth, I think it's the exact opposite of sugar-coating (w/e you want to call the opposite of sugar coating).

clintjm 10-11-2009 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Corvin (Post 776482)
Obama get the Prize. It's a fact, but it doesn't mean, it's is good desicions. It doesnn't mean all American people must be happy just because US Prezident won the Prize. Is your duty? Is it my duty to be happy, because Lech Walesa won the Peace Nobel in the past? Do you thin the 305(?) millions of people must to be happy? People in Soviet Russia, the Soviet Union must loved Lenin and Stalin, and they loved them. The Campaign looked like total insanity, and this insanity made one step more. That prize is the confirmation of the changing in US and global politics. Socialism, protectionism, trade unions, ecology instead freedom.

Samurai said that Nobel has been given by commies to commies, and he's right. That's why Obama and Walesa won.

Well said.
A follow up well said to Samurai007 for your quote from her.

Sinestra 10-12-2009 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by samurai007 (Post 776585)
And just what did he do before taking office? He was a Senator who only showed up to work for about 140 days before effectively dropping out to run for President, and never did anything of substance and import. Before that, he was a "community organizer" in bed with scum like Tony Rezko, Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright, and Rashid Khalidi, among many others. So no, he has never done anything in his life to warrant a nomination, much less win.

Im going to have to disagree with you there and since you obviously dont live in Chicago, nor have you actually seen with your two eyes what a difference he did make to may citizens especially the elderly. You want to see the truth take your ass down to the community centers, the halfway houses, the rehab clinics, the retirement homes and speak with real people not just over internet because you know full well everyone over the internet is expert in everything:rolleyes: . Iv seen it first hand my sisters and many others whom i care for were directly helped by what you call "community organizing"

Im not saying he should have won it but to say he has done nothing in his life and to say hes done nothing of substance is a blatant LIE.

Ryzorian 10-12-2009 12:34 AM

The Noble is mostly Political theatre anymore anyway. As to Chicago, we have several folks down here in Iowa from there, they haven't been very friendly thus far and seem more interested in mooching off our welfare system down here and robbing people blind. Your free to disagree with that, but the increased crime and where the perps orginate from speaks for itself.

Aniki 10-12-2009 12:26 PM

I don't think Obama deserves the award, because I believe there are others who deserve it more than him. There... I said it...now I'm officially an Obama hater.

SSJup81 10-12-2009 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aniki (Post 776785)
I don't think Obama deserves the award, because I believe there are others who deserve it more than him. There... I said it...now I'm officially an Obama hater.

How are you a hater? Obama himself felt that there were probably better suited people and was just as surprised as everyone else that he was being awarded it, let alone nominated. Saying you don't feel he deserves the award, is different from bashing him as a person.

Liongale 10-12-2009 12:33 PM

Maybe this thread needs Kayne West? "I'ma let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best peace records of all time!"

Really we can't judge their pick, because it is their award to give. If we could be critical, I know of Oscars and Emmy's that should go to others, too!

SSJup81 10-12-2009 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Liongale (Post 776788)
Maybe this thread needs Kayne West? "I'ma let you finish, but Beyonce had one of the best peace records of all time!"

Really we can't judge their pick, because it is their award to give. If we could be critical, I know of Oscars and Emmy's that should go to others, too!

Let's toss in the Grammy's too.:p

Aniki 10-12-2009 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SSJup81 (Post 776787)
How are you a hater?

Reading some posts few pages back made me think that way.

Sinestra 10-12-2009 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Aniki (Post 776785)
I don't think Obama deserves the award, because I believe there are others who deserve it more than him. There... I said it...now I'm officially an Obama hater.

Aniki i dont think anyone thinks your hater. SSJup81 said it perfectly Obama clearly stated there were nominees better suited to win he was just as surprised. I watched the speech and he did not exactly seem happy about winning. If people have beef they need to take it up with the people who nominated him not Obama himself. certain People still cant explain why they are angry at Obama except for wanting something to be angry about. You are not one of those people.

Barone1551 10-12-2009 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinestra (Post 776809)
Aniki i dont think anyone thinks your hater. SSJup81 said it perfectly Obama clearly stated there were nominees better suited to win he was just as surprised. I watched the speech and he did not exactly seem happy about winning. If people have beef they need to take it up with the people who nominated him not Obama himself. certain People still cant explain why they are angry at Obama except for wanting something to be angry about. You are not one of those people.

Well put sir.

iPhantom 10-12-2009 05:29 PM

He won the prize for making premises? Oh wait, isn't that what all politicians do?

Ryzorian 10-12-2009 05:41 PM

Honestly, I strongly suspect him being the first American of African decent becomeing president, is why he won the award, that itself is a major breakthrough.

SSJup81 10-12-2009 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 776858)
Honestly, I strongly suspect him being the first American of African decent becomeing president, is why he won the award, that itself is a major breakthrough.

I think I'd agree with that more if this award was based on America alone, but it's an international thing. They gave reasons as to why they felt he deserved it, some of which seems to include how he's trying hard to strengthen our ties internationally (and this was before he won the election) and help get rid of the "bully" stigma that America has and the fact that he's a strong promoter of world peace. We just have to go with that.

Ryzorian 10-13-2009 01:53 AM

I don't know about that aspect, the nomination itself came 11 days after he was inaugerated for heavens sake. Nor have his base policies changed much over Bush's..particularly on the terror war.

MMM 10-13-2009 05:33 AM



I realize that 11 minutes is 10 minutes and 40 seconds longer than most of you will be willing to spend on a YouTube video, but this offers a perspective that some of you may not have heard.

Rachel Maddow is not a journalist pretending to be unbiased, but is a left-wing talk show host, just to make that clear. Regardless, she brings some perspective we haven't seen here.

YoshimiTheEthereal 10-13-2009 05:49 AM

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the vote for him to get the Nobel Peace Prize had to be in in January '09, so he either wasn't even in office yet or just got there when people were voting for him to get it. How is that possible? He didn't do anything!

MMM 10-13-2009 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by YoshimiTheEthereal (Post 776986)
Well, if I'm not mistaken, the vote for him to get the Nobel Peace Prize had to be in in January '09, so he either wasn't even in office yet or just got there when people were voting for him to get it. How is that possible? He didn't do anything!

I can see you watched the video.

Barone1551 10-13-2009 06:12 AM

Great video MMM. Everyone in this topic needs to watch it before making further comments.

Aether 10-13-2009 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 776981)


I realize that 11 minutes is 10 minutes and 40 seconds longer than most of you will be willing to spend on a YouTube video, but this offers a perspective that some of you may not have heard.

Rachel Maddow is not a journalist pretending to be unbiased, but is a left-wing talk show host, just to make that clear. Regardless, she brings some perspective we haven't seen here.

It is always nice to see things from a different perspective. To me, I believe Obama handled things well. He recognized that while he does not put himself at the same level of so many great figures who won the Nobel Peace Prize in their search for peace, he understands that the Nobel Peace Prize can also be a way to show support for a cause, and in that regard, he accepted the award.

Another thing I would like to comment on are the clips in the video of people cheering and celebrating the Olympics not being in America. I mean seriously, having the Olympics being in America would have been a great honor, and I can't believe how many people were opposed to it simply because Obama supported it. I supported having the Olympics in America not because Obama did but because I did. And I believe those who opposed having the Olympics in America should have had reasons other than just trying to oppose Obama.

In any case, I have to agree with Rachel Maddow's closing words. America should be happy that our president received such an award.

MMM 10-13-2009 07:38 AM

Although only a small majority of Chicagoans wanted the Olympics in Chicago (which is common for potential host cities) the vast majority of Americans supported the Olympics being held in the US in 2016.

noodle 10-13-2009 09:03 AM

I'm confused, MMM... What was the purpose of that video? I'm afraid a video like that will only reignite negatives stereotypes foreigners had against Americans... Such as, Americans are stupid... They elected an idiot twice and now they're complaining about a decent president!

Aether 10-13-2009 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 777004)
I'm confused, MMM... What was the purpose of that video? I'm afraid a video like that will only reignite negatives stereotypes foreigners had against Americans... Such as, Americans are stupid... They elected an idiot twice and now they're complaining about a decent president!

I think it is just showing that some people can't look beyond party lines, and end up being near sited and complaining about even the good things that happen. However, I doubt to most people a video such as that would cause them to believe a stereotype such as Americans are stupid. I'm sure if you look at any country you can find the same kind of issues in politics.

Sinestra 10-13-2009 02:30 PM

The video was a nice touch MMM. I am truly disturbed though because the more i read what people have to say about this the more i question if they actually have a mind of their own. Its always nice to see a different perspective. People chose to see what they want to see. Now after watching video go back and re read this thread and see all the ignorant comments people made that should put somethings in perspective.

thcuteness 10-13-2009 02:43 PM

Personally i dont really care that he won the Nobel Peace Prize, but i dont believe he deserved really either, but congratz to him anyway.

MMM 10-13-2009 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 777004)
I'm confused, MMM... What was the purpose of that video? I'm afraid a video like that will only reignite negatives stereotypes foreigners had against Americans... Such as, Americans are stupid... They elected an idiot twice and now they're complaining about a decent president!

Are you asking me rhetorically or seriously?

The video doesn't complain about the president, however this thread...

TyreaL 10-13-2009 05:20 PM

he deserves it .. he is man of peace ..

noodle 10-13-2009 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 777051)
Are you asking me rhetorically or seriously?

The video doesn't complain about the president, however this thread...

No, I'm actually serious. As someone not living in the US, I had no idea people were so negative about Obama. I'm sure many foreigners don't have a clue, so I was wondering why you posted a clip that illustrated that!

MMM 10-13-2009 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by noodle (Post 777068)
No, I'm actually serious. As someone not living in the US, I had no idea people were so negative about Obama. I'm sure many foreigners don't have a clue, so I was wondering why you posted a clip that illustrated that!

The talk show host here supports Obama. The clips of people being negative against him are high profile conservative talk show hosts who make a living cutting Obama down. This is what I have been talking about for months, but if it took a video clip to illustrate what I am talking about, I am glad it was helpful in getting my point across.

However, did you watch the whole thing? Overall I think it is a positive piece about the president, and he still has a majority approval rating, which actually got a 3% bump after the announcement of the Nobel Prize win.

Why would I not post the clip?

But I have to ask, have you read this thread? There is a noisy slice of America that is incredibly negative towards him, and some of that is seen here.

noodle 10-13-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 777075)
The talk show host here supports Obama. The clips of people being negative against him are high profile conservative talk show hosts who make a living cutting Obama down. This is what I have been talking about for months, but if it took a video clip to illustrate what I am talking about, I am glad it was helpful in getting my point across.

However, did you watch the whole thing? Overall I think it is a positive piece about the president, and he still has a majority approval rating, which actually got a 3% bump after the announcement of the Nobel Prize win.

Why would I not post the clip?

But I have to ask, have you read this thread? There is a noisy slice of America that is incredibly negative towards him, and some of that is seen here.

Yeah, I did watch the whole thing. I agree that overall it is a positive clip, however, for someone that has heard only good things from the media about Obama (overly positive in many cases), the negatives had a bigger impact! When you've spoken about this in the past, I assumed it was because the election was so fresh, so people that didn't vote for Obama, would naturally be negative towards him. I didn't realise it was this severe. I guess this explains why you were on the defensive about my posts. I hope you don't think I have that Obama Derangement Syndrome.

To be honest, I haven't read every post in this thread. I did see some negativity, but that was more about policy, rather than the man himself!

As for why would you not post it, I don't know. I just wanted the know the purpose of it! What you wanted to achieve. For example, if you posted the acceptance speech to illustrate him being noble and gentlemen like about accepting such a prize, I would have understood.

MMM 10-13-2009 06:43 PM

Although it is an opinion piece, I think it is basically true, so I don't see why I wouldn't post the clip because it makes the points I was trying to make, only better.

Especially I wanted to emphasize the point that the Peace Prize isn't always an award for work completed, but is hopefully a boost for strong people to become even stronger.

If non-Americans do not know there is a minority yet noisy faction of the media and population that truly despise the president and everything he does, then I think they should know that. I have no reason to hide that.

Sinestra 10-13-2009 11:00 PM

This is what i was waiting for 4 out of the 5 judges for the Noble Peace Prize speak out in defense of Obama.

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OSLO – One judge noted with surprise that President Barack Obama "didn't look particularly happy" at being named the Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Another marveled at how critics could be so patronizing.

In a rare public defense of a process normally shrouded in secrecy, four of the Nobel jury's five judges spoke out Tuesday about a selection they said was both merited and unanimous.

To those who say a Nobel is too much too soon in Obama's young presidency, "We simply disagree ... He got the prize for what he has done," committee chairman Thorbjorn Jagland told The Associated Press by telephone from Strasbourg, France, where he was attending meetings of the Council of Europe.

Jagland singled out Obama's efforts to heal the divide between the West and the Muslim world and scale down a Bush-era proposal for an anti-missile shield in Europe.

"All these things have contributed to — I wouldn't say a safer world — but a world with less tension," he said.

For nine-year Nobel committee veteran Inger-Marie Ytterhorn, Obama's demeanor spoke volumes when he first acknowledged the award during a news conference Friday on the lawn of the White House Rose Garden.

"I looked at his face when he was on TV and confirmed that he would receive the prize and would come to Norway, and he didn't look particularly happy," she told the AP by telephone.

"Obama has a lot of problems internally in the United States and they seem to be increasing. Unemployment, health care reform: They are a problem for him," she said.

She acknowledged there was a risk the prize might backfire on Obama by raising expectations even higher and giving ammunition to his critics. "It might hamper him," Ytterhorn said, because it could distract from domestic issues.

Still, she added: "Whenever we award the peace prize, there is normally a big debate about it" so the Obama controversy was not unexpected.

It was unusual, however, for the Nobel jury to speak out so candidly about their selection.

Even the most seasoned Nobel watchers were surprised by Obama's Nobel — they hadn't expected the U.S. president, who took office barely two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline, to be seriously considered until at least next year.

Jagland said that was never an issue for the Nobel committee, which followed the guidelines set forth by Alfred Nobel, the Swedish industrialist and inventor of dynamite who established the prize in his 1895 will.

"Alfred Nobel wrote that the prize should go to the person who has contributed most to the development of peace in the previous year," Jagland said.

"Who has done more for that than Barack Obama?"

Aagot Valle, a left-wing Norwegian politician who joined the Nobel panel this year, also dismissed suggestions that Obama was undeserving of the honor.

"Don't you think that comments like that patronize Obama? Where do these people come from?" Valle said from the coastal city of Bergen. "Well, of course, all arguments have to be considered seriously. I'm not afraid of a debate on the Peace Prize decision. That's fine."

World leaders have reacted positively to Obama's Nobel in most cases, the committee said, with much of the criticism coming from the media and Obama's political rivals.

"I take note of it. My response is only the judgment of the committee, which was unanimous," Jagland said.

In announcing the award Friday, the committee, whose members are appointed by the Norwegian Parliament, applauded the change in global mood brought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation. They also praised his pledges to reduce the world stock of nuclear arms, ease U.S. conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthen the U.S. role in combating climate change.

The White House declined comment on the Nobel judge's latest statements.

However, Obama expressed surprise and humility at Friday's news conference, saying the prize should be considered not a "recognition of my own accomplishments, but rather as an affirmation of American leadership on behalf of aspirations held by people in all nations."

Nobel Peace Prize selections have often been surrounded by fierce debate. Controversial awards include the 1994 prize shared by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat and Israeli leaders Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin for Mideast peace efforts, as well as the joint prize to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and North Vietnamese negotiator Le Duc Tho for a 1973 cease-fire agreement. The Vietnam War continued for two more years.

So the Nobel jury "expected that there would be a discussion" about Obama's award, said Kaci Kullman Five, a former Conservative Party parliamentarian and longtime Nobel committee member.

Valle said the criticism shouldn't overshadow important issues raised by Obama's Nobel.

"Of course I expected disagreement and debate on ... giving him the prize," she said. "But what I want now is that we seriously raise a discussion regarding nuclear disarmament."
Nobel jury speaks out in defense of Obama prize - Yahoo! News


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