No, I wouldn't. I'd sit at home, watch it on the news and pity them.

If Scotland had their own army, I'd still choose Japan but with more thought in to it. The fact it's the British Army, really puts me off. Also, I love the Japanese national anthem. I hate God Save The Queen, & prefer the Flower of Scotland. The British Army would play God Save The Queen. Its a petty argument, but just how I feel. Its a true test of how much people love Japan, this thread

And two atomic bombs killing and striking a generational horror that will never be forgotten isn't enough of your "pay back?" And it was not the Japanese people who did that but mis-let military officers who sold Japan down the proverbial river who did that. They perverted Shinto to give a false message to the people and basically went to war for their own gain. Why not just carpet bomb Iraq and Afghanistan with atomics while you're over there. Maybe that will make you feel big.

Do tell why it is such a silly thing to say? Do you know the events that took place after the WWII. And I don't think Japan should be stripped of an army forever, but the promise of being protected by a powerful nation can be reassuring.

And to the person about talked about being bullied. Japan has the ability to protect themselves, so no, I would not go down the street. I would be able to handle myself.

I am sure that Japan welcomes America's friendship and any help in any conflict, as would Japan be at America's side if they were attacked. I would just like to see things start returning to normal after all these years. Will another century of keeping the boot of America on Japan's neck work toward any good whatsoever?

War isn't a pretty thing, and I'm not going to say the A-bombs were justified (different books and different people have different opinions on whether or not they were necessary to end the war, and I'm not asking for anyone to tell me whether or not they think they were, because I don't care for an internet opinion on this matter), but saying your pay back is unfair. Just like how you argue the japanese public can't be blamed, it's hardly fair to blame the american public for the a-bomb. One more thing, I'm fairly certain you can't carpet bomb with nuclear weapons just by the sheer radius and force of their explosions. Edit: I don't want to get snippy, I'll just cut this.

No,it won't do any good. at all. ever.

In order to see why there is such animosity now,we must travel back.

in 1940,the vast majority of Americans did not know where Japan was. They didn't even know it existed. This all changed midway through 1941,when the US decided to stick it's nose in and say,'no Japan,you can't invade China for oil.' To which Japan promptly responded(i'm cutting down a lot here to the basics,or this post would be pages long) "we can do whatever we want,but we will negotiate with you." Fair enough. Now,the vast majority of American's knew of the Empire of Japan,but they still knew nothing of the country itself. It was just'that one that they talk about on the radio.'

This all changed on december the seventh,1941. Peral harbour immediately thrust America into a war in which the general public knew nothing about the enemy. All they knew was that they had been attacked,so it was time to respond in force. The news immediatley responded with the kind of propaganda that any war brings,that of the"savege Japanese,who still use swords,who eat their captives(really,they said that) and live in wooden huts.' This was broadcasted for four and a half years,and so naturally people who never saw a Japanese person themselves started to believe it. Then the atomic bombs droped,and people were happy. The war is over,they said. Let's bomb them all and have done with it. Fortunatley more bombs were not used. After the war,soldiers brought home tales of the war,and naturally,as any soldier will do,they focused on the bad parts,namley,the enemy. and so the 'savage' image continued.

It continues to this day,because while the propaganda has stopped,people by and large still belive in the'them Japs' image brought home by the war.

Should Japan have it's own army? Definitley. It is any one country's right to have an army to defend itself,and attack another should it be nessescary. There is no reason for Japan not to have it's own army.

I feel "keeping the boot on" is a bit strong. Japan is not the US lap dog. America cannot make Japan do whatever it wants. That is why the peace and security treaty exist. But I ask you, whats normal? For Japans most recent military history, "normal" is what they were like in WWII. Before that "normal" was samurai. Japan has greatly benefited from this relationship, and can greatly benefit from it. Especially now with the recession.

I don't think this is true. I think this mentality was around in my grandparents generation, and partly in my parents generation, but outside of general bigots, most people I've come across have not shared that mentality.

Ok, yeah, I sort of over-reacted on that one. But people are still happily bashing Japan over Pearl Harbor and totally forgetting the horror that ended that war. Now it WAS our emperor that said he would never surrender and the beaches would run red with the blood of every Japanese soldier and citizen before it was over. The atomics killed a lot less than a frontal assault would have but the absolute horror of the atomics...just to see one pop was enough to cause Oppenheimer, the "father of the atomic age" to quote in horror from the Bhagavad- Gita, "I have become death, the destroyer of worlds." Can you imagine if your state, probably about the size of Japan, had two atomics dropped on it?

Propaganda was used by all sides. Japan was no exception. They had the same feelings towards the Americans, and especially toward chinese, and koreans.

Are you saying Samurai were a bad thing? Do you think there are no more Samurai? And why is it that it seems so many Americans want to take karate, to wave about swords and say they are samurai. May I quote, okay sort of quote, O-rin Ishi-I "Silly white girl, likes to play with samurai swords."

And yes, while in America I was once called, "a slant eyed yellow devil" I'm still not sure if the person thought they were making a joke or if they were serious but we...the world...need to wake up from sleeping the early last century and start looking at one another not from what WAS but for what is to be because our world teeters on the brink of world war even now and two atomics are not going to suffice this time. I hate to think about what some may think is a prudent answer........:confused:

Well for most part, at least in the terms of military, samurai are not around. And they were not a bad thing. But you say "normal" like it is the same for everyone. Japan does not have much of a "normal" military past. As I stated earlier. Most recently it was WWII, and not too much before that, Japan still had samurai. Im merely stating "normal" isnt as easy as you make it seem.

that damn China - most ancient civilization that has survived in whole world without any changes from 2nd century ad until 1912. damn apes who have no manga, only lame dude called Confucian who probably couldn't write. and how they dare to have the most records of their ancient history left than any other culture but again with no manga records! :mad:

sarcasm, if anyone has problems getting it... :cool:

P.S any person dumb enough to say that they will go to war for manga and anime should be sent to gas chambers specially when they have no idea what culture means and that practically every nation sucks chinas d*ck when it comes to it.

China do have manga too as Chinese mangakas are exist, though it is pronounced as manhua :) So they have no reasons at all!!!

Jambo You have not even been to Japan-- how can you say such things. You know not what you say.

La la land definitely. what has national anthems got to do with anything. Its those who fight and kill and get killed and you would do it to save Japan--

They are perfectly capable of fighting for themselves. Read more on war and its effects.

So if the Japanese fought scotland-- you would be on the side of the Japanese.

doesn't Afghanistan and Iraq demonstrate the loss of lives and all the injuries afflicted on both sides.


There is plentyof anime to stretch around the world too many times.


Who needs to save That?

don' t you think Scotland also has a rich history culture.

You seem to love a country that you have never visited.


There are plenty of historical programmes on TV re Scotland and ENGLAND etc.

lol... whatever "Latvia"

I had to look up where that was. Latvia is nothing but a pimple on the giant ass of Russia. :mtongue:

Well considering the cruelty towards animals in CHINA and the way they use slave labour-- and also the wonderful way they chose to break little girls feet so she would forever be in pain-- all to tittilate the men.


MUCH WISDOM has come from CHINA but also terrible cruelty towards its own people AND TIBETANS.

You should watch one of them and find out why she doesn't like England so much :mtongue:

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You should not insult LATVIA-------------WHy have you. England is very small also.



When I ws watching a WAR programme the other night-- the GERMANS AND RUSSIANS IN RUSSIA and the MISERY OF SO MANY OF THOSE MEN.

Men get sent to fight the wars dictated by those who do not even take part.


from what I have read the japanese Imperial ARmy was cruel to its own soldiers.

The poked tongue means I'm not being serious.

Most of the nations that exist today probably won't exist in 1000 years time and those that do will probably not exist in the same way so I don't really take nations and people who believe in them that seriously.

Anyway... Why are you so obsessed with WW2?

Wow! Are you really that ignorant?

and yet Russians and Germans fought for this "pimple" several wars including ww1 and 2 and still are pissed that they didn't get it.

did you get the idea that im china's weeboo? or what everyone calls those fans?
my point was that if this topics author thinks that culture determines which country should stay on this planet, then china would win hands down.

well RONIN its not a surprise to ME that you too like to discuss this subject. I have not seen you around for some time but Here you are AGAIN Perhaps I should ask YOU WHY?


There are many programmes on TV about the wars-- I wish to learn as much as I can-- when I see men thrust into war-------------- I was born not long before WW2. I have friends who took part in that war-- still alive. I lived through that war and its aftermath.

I abhor the way the JAPANESE treated its POW's.

I have learned a lot more about the PAcific war than I had known previousy.

And I don't need to answer to YOU either although I have.


when I see posters saying they would fight for JAPAN-- when often they do not even know the country--yet they would practically betray their own country for their weird fantasies.

What are you talking about?

Which nations existed 1000 years ago that exist today?

The academic answer ranges from very few to none at all depending on how you define nation and/or interpret history.

1000 years ago all that existed was the continued rise and fall of various kingdoms and empires over each other.

In fact the nation is a relatively modern concept which arose in about the 15th century.

You really are an +++ Ronin.


If you are born in a country schooled, have health care and so much more then Betray that country-!!!!!!!!!!!!! Take so much for granted. think its all perfect on the other side of the world because they produce ANIME AND MANGA. I love my own country although not the government. I appreciate that many died to save us from GERMANY.

Many lives were lost during the war----------

I agree it's messed up.

But I often have a hard time connecting the WW2 facts that you introduce with the points you are trying to make.

I wasn't just talking about that, but your general lacking of understand and respect others... awhrg. heck. I take it back it couldn't be true.

By the way my country was founded over 1000 years ago, and still exist in the same place (not as big as it used to be, and it isn't a kingdom anymore but still...) and it isn't the only one...

Whoah... easy on the exclamation marks.

Again.. the tongue poking out means I wasn't being serious. :cool:

Well the point I was making was valid I suppose. The English really f*cked over the Scots before they were the UK and they f*cked over Africa and India together.

And where do you think nations get the money from to provide health care etc? It's the people. So if someone wants to betray their country for whatever reason that's their business. Whether I'm against that person depends on the particulars.

for goodness sake-- I don't feel BIG at all.



CHERNOBYL demonstrated the danger of NUCLEAR fall out.

I had to spend hours training with the civil defence in case such bombs would be dropped here in UK. NOne of that training would have prevented the sheer devastation caused by these terrible bombs. I would not wish that on anyone.


the thing is that nations have developed these bombs as a preventative against wars.


It is when some Nation does decide to press the button that could eliminate mankind from the earth.


Do you agree that Japan should have started war when they attacked Pearl Harbour. should America have taken that lying down.

should all those forced to build the BURMA RAILWAYS have just been forgotten if they survived. allow Japan to carry on for ever fighting and using its own men and other nations for its deadly purpose.




The Japanese were extremely cruel--

Eh? I respect individuals...

I don't respect nations. You can be from Latvia or whereever and I'll respect you if I like you. But don't expect me to care about your "country".

What country are you from?

Sorry Betrayal is Betrayal. I've paid my taxes for many years as have most of us here. Our govt is UP the Creek Now-- but I would never betray my own country or its people

Well if you'd truly respect individuals you respected their origins too. Perhaps you don't have any, you wouldn't be the only one, but thinking that you can respect a person with spitting on his country is just stupid--sorry for that, but I don't have a better word for that.

Why are you curious about my country? To make fun of that?

Disrespecting and not giving a f*ck are two different things. The latter is my attitude.

No. I'm more curious as to what nation you could be from that existed 1000 years ago. But I suppose it doesn't matter as you said yourself that it wasn't a kingdom anymore and is smaller than it was which was part of my point.

Never?

Then you are no different than the Germans and Japanese of your time.

You still don't understand...in this case not giving a f*ck is exactly the same as disrespecting...
I'll give you my home's name when you can provide something which makes me respect (and trust) you enough. Though I think you aren't interested enough for that... :)

So a country cease to exist whenever it's size or the political form in it changes???????????

After all that's been said, bantered and argued back and forth in this thread I would like to point out, for the sake of the kid who posted this, and its no doubt a young kid...he never said to go to war for manga or anime he said if Japan were attacked would you enlist in their arms. Now he then goes on to say to fight FOR THE NATION who gave us manga and anime, not fight for or have a war based on manga or anime. And besides, what are adults doing taking such stands against the words of what seems to be a child? You have all twisted his words, however childish they are.

In what case? The thing I said to evanny? It was mostly said in jest.

Heck! The claim to fame that evanny gives is that both Germany and Russia passed through it! How can you not find that funny?

Why the f*ck do you care so much? My country is New Zealand. I don't care if you can make fun of it. Heck we make fun of it ourselves and the Australians LOVE to make fun of it. It's not something you should take personally unless that was the intent of it.