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GoNative 11-18-2010 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by KuranUSA (Post 838200)
Should Japan have it's own army? Definitley. It is any one country's right to have an army to defend itself,and attack another should it be nessescary. There is no reason for Japan not to have it's own army.

Japan does have it's own army. They have the 7th highest military expenditure in the world behind the US, China, UK, France, Russia and Germany. In the town I live there is quite a large army base which is a very important part fo the local economy. Just because Japan has a non agression clause in their constitution now does not mean they have not maintained a substantial defence force. Or are you saying that Japan should be able to change the role of their forces from one of defence to focus more on offensive capabilities?

GoNative 11-18-2010 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 838244)
Australians LOVE to make fun of it.

What do you call a New Zealander with 20 girlfriends?

A shepherd! :mtongue:

Ronin4hire 11-18-2010 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 838248)
What do you call a New Zealander with 20 girlfriends?

A shepherd! :mtongue:

lol.. I knew I'd opened myself up to a sheep joke. From an Aussie no doubt :mtongue:

GoNative 11-18-2010 12:30 AM

Sorry couldn't resist ;)

KyokoUK 11-18-2010 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 838251)
lol.. I knew I'd opened myself up to a sheep joke. From an Aussie no doubt :mtongue:

NZ must have been founded by Scotsmen :mtongue:

samokan 11-18-2010 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sitron (Post 837990)
If Japan was ever to get involved in a war. Would you enlist in their army and fight for the nation that gave us anime and manga? I certainly would. Especially if its against hostile China. I've even thought about enlisting in the Japanese army even though I'm Norwegian. But sorrily it's not possible.

THAT IS ONE OF THE STUPIDEST , IGNORANT POST I HAVE ENCOUNTERED IN MY WHOLE LIFE.. IF THERE MORE STUPID THAN STUPID THEN VERY VERY VERY STUPID.

EVEN AS A JOKE IT NOT EVEN FUNNY!!!!!!

I came from a country which was invaded by Japan in WWII and it is not a History I want to repeat for whatever reason.

Hostile China?? I don't think China has ever invaded any other country, they have war amongst themselves but that's about it..

Know history first, before u say something as dumb as this.. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ronin4hire 11-18-2010 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by samokan (Post 838304)

Hostile China?? I don't think China has ever invaded any other country, they have war amongst themselves but that's about it..

Never heard of Tibet or Korea? And I'm just talking about the 20th century.

Furthermore your response was a bit too over the top. It was stupid thread to begin with you're right.... but so was your reply.

It's just history dude. Happened a long time ago. Names, dates, places. Don't get so worked up over it.

samokan 11-18-2010 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 838308)
Never heard of Tibet or Korea? And I'm just talking about the 20th century.

Furthermore your response was a bit too over the top. It was stupid thread to begin with you're right.... but so was your reply.

It's just history dude. Happened a long time ago. Names, dates, places. Don't get so worked up over it.

I stand corrected on China not invading other country..

my response was the over top ? no i don't think so, a stupidity like this one is something i cannot tolerated.

JUST HISTORY?? oh my goodness.. i guess that is why it just keep happening over and over and over again.. because its just history it is not worth learning ne ... :cool: :cool:

Ronin4hire 11-18-2010 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by samokan (Post 838311)

JUST HISTORY?? oh my goodness.. i guess that is why it just keep happening over and over and over again.. because its just history it is not worth learning ne ... :cool: :cool:

I know some history... I didn't say it wasn't worth learning.

Just said that it's not worth getting all emotional about history.

JamboP26 11-18-2010 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838219)
don' t you think Scotland also has a rich history culture.

You seem to love a country that you have never visited.


There are plenty of historical programmes on TV re Scotland and ENGLAND etc.

I've seen some of the history programmes about Scotland, and they bore me to death. I also have seen somebody pis**d out their head and singing loudly to themselves at quarter to 4 in the afternoon. And the place is full of the scum of society, and old people that annoy me. Why would I want to fight for that? I think I'd rather watch tbh, and hope Japan win.

JamboP26 11-18-2010 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 838223)
You should watch one of them and find out why she doesn't like England so much :mtongue:

Who is she? I'm a guy :mtongue:

dogsbody70 11-18-2010 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 838333)
Who is she? I'm a guy :mtongue:

you could fool me JAMBO-- if you are a guy why do you have a picture of a female as your avatar.


I honestly thought you were female.

dogsbody70 11-18-2010 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 838331)
I've seen some of the history programmes about Scotland, and they bore me to death. I also have seen somebody pis**d out their head and singing loudly to themselves at quarter to 4 in the afternoon. And the place is full of the scum of society, and old people that annoy me. Why would I want to fight for that? I think I'd rather watch tbh, and hope Japan win.


wellit strikes me that it is the area that you are living in. Not everybody is like that but there are plenty of them about--always has been. do you think that Japanese people never get drunk? Oh dear so the old people annoy you-- thats such a shame-- wellnevermind you should get old one day too.

Ronin4hire 11-19-2010 01:01 AM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838373)
wellit strikes me that it is the area that you are living in. Not everybody is like that but there are plenty of them about--always has been. do you think that Japanese people never get drunk? Oh dear so the old people annoy you-- thats such a shame-- wellnevermind you should get old one day too.

Not that I share Jambo's opinion.. I agree that Scotland has nice places and nice people (I have some friends from Scotland)

But there is not the same binge drinking culture in Japan that there is in Britain and for that matter Australia and New Zealand.

That's not to say that there aren't drunk people. Drunken businessmen are not uncommon... but they are usually on their way home after work drinks or something.

loveusa 11-19-2010 07:40 AM

yeah if aginst PRC
if Russian, i wouldn't

dogsbody70 11-19-2010 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 838402)
Not that I share Jambo's opinion.. I agree that Scotland has nice places and nice people (I have some friends from Scotland)

But there is not the same binge drinking culture in Japan that there is in Britain and for that matter Australia and New Zealand.

That's not to say that there aren't drunk people. Drunken businessmen are not uncommon... but they are usually on their way home after work drinks or something.

since our country started having bars open 24/7 the binge drinking has accelerated.

Why so many have to turn to alcohol to "enjoy themselves" I will never know.

JamboP26 11-19-2010 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838373)
wellit strikes me that it is the area that you are living in. Not everybody is like that but there are plenty of them about--always has been. do you think that Japanese people never get drunk? Oh dear so the old people annoy you-- thats such a shame-- wellnevermind you should get old one day too.

I know that loads of people in Japan get drunk, but the difference being, that its after a hard days work in the evening, and not in the mid afternoon. Not all old people annoy me, and I'm sure there some very nice older folk out there. But some just annoy me so much, just by doing so little. Like on Tuesday, the bus stopped, the doors opened and they just stood there. When I nipped quickly in to get on, I heard them muttering about manner and the like. They had plenty of chance to move for the bus but did nothing. I guess it is the area I'm in. Perhaps one reason why I'm looking forward to University, and getting on buses with people that are not half-stoned.

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838372)
you could fool me JAMBO-- if you are a guy why do you have a picture of a female as your avatar.


I honestly thought you were female.

Hahahahahaha. Really? Hmmmm. It's Ayane from the video game series 'Dead or Alive', and she just happens to be my favourite character. lol. Jambo is my nickname, as my name's James :D I guess all the pink doesn't help the situation, but I don't really stereotype colours....

Qayin 11-19-2010 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by evanny (Post 838213)
that damn China - most ancient civilization that has survived in whole world without any changes from 2nd century ad until 1912. damn apes who have no manga, only lame dude called Confucian who probably couldn't write. and how they dare to have the most records of their ancient history left than any other culture but again with no manga records! :mad:

sarcasm, if anyone has problems getting it... :cool:

P.S any person dumb enough to say that they will go to war for manga and anime should be sent to gas chambers specially when they have no idea what culture means and that practically every nation sucks chinas d*ck when it comes to it.

Wow, very GREAT logic hahaha I just can't stop laughing....

My question is "why should we throw our life in a war?"
I love Japan and its culture but to die for it is too much. I don't think I can eat sushi or watch Gundam if I die haha.

But I gotta admit that nowaday China is acting like a big dog (and it's actually a big dog albeit a lousy dog that still moan about it's prosperity 4000 years ago and about the war 60 years ago)

But I really wanna kick this dog's a.....s someday not for Japan or the US but for my own sake.

I just feel its boasting about 4000 years culture quite boring.

Oh yeah I almost forget.

I believe every country has a right to protect themselves. To rip off its army is like put someone in a straight jacket. That's nonsense. If other country has full-fledge army, Japan should have it too, espeacially when there is a mad dog that wanna avenge for his 60 years old rotten bone is near them!

GoNative 11-19-2010 03:34 PM

Where do people get this ridiculous idea that Japan does not have a fully capable defence force? Only 6 other countries in the world spend more on their military than Japan does. Their offensive capabilities are curtailed by their constitution and as far as I can tell the majority of Japanese people still support this. There's no problem with their defensive capabilities though.

JojoBizarre 11-19-2010 03:37 PM

I wouldn't even fight for my country, I would fight for humanity, but not for a country, fighting amonsgt men is IMO the stupidest thing.

WingsToDiscovery 11-19-2010 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JojoBizarre (Post 838457)
fighting amonsgt men is IMO the stupidest thing.

It's only stupid until they're the ones who are trying to kill you. Then it's either fight back or die.

dogsbody70 11-19-2010 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JojoBizarre (Post 838457)
I wouldn't even fight for my country, I would fight for humanity, but not for a country, fighting amonsgt men is IMO the stupidest thing.

If you were a consciencious objector if your country was at war you would probably go to PRISON. Many Canadians came over here to join with Americans and Brits among others to fight against Hitler. Many lost their lives. We are very grateful to them all.


If another country wants to over-run and overtake your country-- then you need to protect your country.

dogsbody70 11-19-2010 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 838429)
I know that loads of people in Japan get drunk, but the difference being, that its after a hard days work in the evening, and not in the mid afternoon. Not all old people annoy me, and I'm sure there some very nice older folk out there. But some just annoy me so much, just by doing so little. Like on Tuesday, the bus stopped, the doors opened and they just stood there. When I nipped quickly in to get on, I heard them muttering about manner and the like. They had plenty of chance to move for the bus but did nothing. I guess it is the area I'm in. Perhaps one reason why I'm looking forward to University, and getting on buses with people that are not half-stoned.



Hahahahahaha. Really? Hmmmm. It's Ayane from the video game series 'Dead or Alive', and she just happens to be my favourite character. lol. Jambo is my nickname, as my name's James :D I guess all the pink doesn't help the situation, but I don't really stereotype colours....


Oh dear what a hard time you seem to have. such a shame James.

maybe older people are not as agile as YOU-- I certainly am not.

we were brought up to give up our seats to elderly people or mothers with young babies etc or the disabled.

None of us would have sat in a seat on a bus if there was someone who needed it.


its all about having good manners and not barging past older or slower people. One day when you are old you might remember your present rather selfish attitude.


are you saying everyone is drunk? that is not so in my area unless one goes to clubs or bars at night-- which I never do.


Why you think Japan is so much better than your home-- you might be in for a shock-- japanese people are human also.


we don't have any drunks round our area except when youngsters have been to town and got sloshed then come home and knock garden walls down or fences etc and generally vandalise innocent peoples homes. Its not the older people that are doing that.


I really wish that the generations could get to know each other better.

and be more tolerant.

Ronin4hire 11-20-2010 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by GoNative (Post 838455)
Where do people get this ridiculous idea that Japan does not have a fully capable defence force? Only 6 other countries in the world spend more on their military than Japan does. Their offensive capabilities are curtailed by their constitution and as far as I can tell the majority of Japanese people still support this. There's no problem with their defensive capabilities though.

I know right.

You would expect that people on this forum knew more about the country that they proclaim to want to fight and die for :cool:

Ronin4hire 11-20-2010 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838462)
If you were a consciencious objector if your country was at war you would probably go to PRISON. Many Canadians came over here to join with Americans and Brits among others to fight against Hitler. Many lost their lives. We are very grateful to them all.


If another country wants to over-run and overtake your country-- then you need to protect your country.

It sounds like you hold contempt for consciencious objectors.

If the draft was introduced in my country, then depending on the war I may be a consciencious objector.

They were probably sent to prison in your day... but that is morally wrong to send a person who doesn't want to go into war.

ColinHowell 11-20-2010 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 838552)
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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838462)
If you were a consciencious objector if your country was at war you would probably go to PRISON. Many Canadians came over here to join with Americans and Brits among others to fight against Hitler. Many lost their lives. We are very grateful to them all.

If another country wants to over-run and overtake your country-- then you need to protect your country.

It sounds like you hold contempt for consciencious objectors.

If the draft was introduced in my country, then depending on the war I may be a consciencious objector.

They were probably sent to prison in your day... but that is morally wrong to send a person who doesn't want to go into war.

Before too many accusations are thrown around about the World War 2 generation's attitude toward conscientious objectors, it might be good to try to get some actual facts. Although this passage from the English Wikipedia's article about conscientious objectors isn't well-cited, it does appear to provide some enlightening information about Britain's handling of conscientious objectors during the Second World War:

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In World War II, following the National Service (Armed Forces) Act of 1939, there were nearly 60,000 registered Conscientious Objectors. Testing by Conscientious Objection Tribunals resumed, this time chaired by a judge, but was much less harsh; if you were not a member of the Quakers or some similar pacifist church, it was generally enough to say that you objected to "warfare as a means of settling international disputes," a phrase from the Kellogg-Briand Pact of 1928. The tribunals could grant full exemption, exemption conditional on alternative service, exemption only from combatant duties, or dismiss the application. Of the 61,000 only 3,000 were given complete exemption and 18,000 were dismissed as false claimants. Of those directed to non-combatant military service almost 7000 were allocated to the Non-Combatant Corps, set up in mid-1940; its companies worked in clothing and food stores, in transport, or any military project not requiring the handling of "material of an aggressive nature". In November 1940 it was decided to allow troops in the NCC to volunteer for work in bomb disposal. In total over 350 volunteered. Other non-combatants worked in the Royal Army Medical Corps. Other acceptable occupations were farm work, mining, firefighting, ambulance service. About 5500 objectors were imprisoned, charged with offences relating to their unrecognised objection. A further 1000 were court-martialled by the armed forces and sent to military detention barracks or civil prisons. Nevertheless, the social stigma attached to 'conchies' (as they were called) was considerable: regardless of the genuineness of their motives, cowardice was often imputed.
In short, conscientious objectors who were believed to be genuine were treated reasonably by the government; only those whose objection was believed to be fraudulent were imprisoned.

Ronin4hire 11-20-2010 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ColinHowell (Post 838555)

In short, conscientious objectors who were believed to be genuine were treated reasonably by the government; only those whose objection was believed to be fraudulent were imprisoned.

How can an objection be fraudulent?

If someone doesn't want to go then they don't want to go. Whatever the reason.

It's stupid how they gave special exemption for some churches too.

If you belong to some bogus organization that claims to speak God's word you're exempt.

If you personally reason that you don't want to go to war because of the odds of survival then you aren't.

For me both are legit reasons.

CoolNard 11-20-2010 03:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838462)
If you were a consciencious objector if your country was at war you would probably go to PRISON. Many Canadians came over here to join with Americans and Brits among others to fight against Hitler. Many lost their lives. We are very grateful to them all.


If another country wants to over-run and overtake your country-- then you need to protect your country.

That's in the past, dogsbody. I'm with JojoBizarre and Ronin on this. "Fighting for humanity" means fighting for the best possible cause for the best possible consequence for the most number of people. In other words - utilitarianism. It's the 21st century, surely there are more peace advocators than there are harbingers of war. Although there are many existing aggressive and hostile gestures throughout the world, at least the idea of peaceful resolutions over aggression is prioritized, as compared to the preceding World Wars.

As a conscientious objector, I would protect my country, but not by means of dishing out the heavy artillery; I would obviously protect my country, but not by the logic of being a citizen in my country, but by being a human with morals. That's why I can say the same about Japan and other nations.

Ryzorian 11-20-2010 04:27 AM

Man likes to fight, allways will. It's burned into our gentic code.

JamboP26 11-20-2010 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838463)
Oh dear what a hard time you seem to have. such a shame James.

maybe older people are not as agile as YOU-- I certainly am not.

we were brought up to give up our seats to elderly people or mothers with young babies etc or the disabled.

its all about having good manners and not barging past older or slower people. One day when you are old you might remember your present rather selfish attitude.

are you saying everyone is drunk? that is not so in my area unless one goes to clubs or bars at night-- which I never do.

Why you think Japan is so much better than your home-- you might be in for a shock-- japanese people are human also

I really wish that the generations could get to know each other better.

and be more tolerant.

They had plenty of chance & didn't move. I usually sit at the back & annoy people with my loud music (even though my earphones are in). Seems that way. There are a lots of alcoholics & jakeballs (junkies) going about this area. I just can't be done with it. I give the older generation respect & tend to find on occasion they show little or moderate respect to the younger generation i.e. students I'm sure Japan has very similar conditions in areas. Difference is, Japan hasn't disappointed me yet, so my respect for the country is still strong

dogsbody70 11-20-2010 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 838580)
They had plenty of chance & didn't move. I usually sit at the back & annoy people with my loud music (even though my earphones are in). Seems that way. There are a lots of alcoholics & jakeballs (junkies) going about this area. I just can't be done with it. I give the older generation respect & tend to find on occasion they show little or moderate respect to the younger generation i.e. students I'm sure Japan has very similar conditions in areas. Difference is, Japan hasn't disappointed me yet, so my respect for the country is still strong

ah well I suppose there won't be any old people there to annoy you. LOL

How can you be so sure about Japan or anywhere else that you haven't been.

not all young people are students are they? or do you mean school children.


|surprisingly I was once a kid-----------Shame I am still alive I guess.

there have been experiments where young people are placed in a house together with no adult interference-- and the chaos that ensued.

Lord of the FLies-- demonstrated how we humans behave in certain situations.


I try to chat to all generations but mostly young people go around in groups. I think that individually they are good to talk with.


its when they are seen together-- and wear hoodies and can be seen as a threat---


There should be more integration between thegenerations and for older people not to hold prejudices against the young. we all started life in the womb. Older generations have been through a lot over the years.

Its a two way thing really.

But I know that good manners seem to have floated out of the door. we all need to have good manners towards one another-- simple "excuse me" or thankyou can go a long way.


I wonder what your mother thinks of the locality you are in.

maybe you need to move out of that area----------------


in truth life is what we make it but environment can also have an impact.

JamboP26 11-20-2010 02:08 PM

Maybe that was it. I was with a mate & was wearing a hoodie. loool. I tend to use the categories children, then young people, then adults & finally old folk. So, I mean people of around 13-22ish. I have respect for all people, but depending on my mood or their actions or a combo of the 2, that respect will sometimes be dwindling. My mum knows exactly how I feel the way I keep going on about the country. lol. Old folk in general don't annoy me. It's those old folk that think us young people should respect them, no matter what. I think its funny though, how car insurance, for example, is so expensive for young people, yet its old people that drive the wrong way down one way streets & drive their car into sea.

Ronin4hire 11-20-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryzorian (Post 838566)
Man likes to fight, allways will. It's burned into our gentic code.

lol.. No it's not.

Unless you're saying that those men that don't like to fight have faulty genes or are not human.

dogsbody70 11-20-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 838597)
Maybe that was it. I was with a mate & was wearing a hoodie. loool. I tend to use the categories children, then young people, then adults & finally old folk. So, I mean people of around 13-22ish. I have respect for all people, but depending on my mood or their actions or a combo of the 2, that respect will sometimes be dwindling. My mum knows exactly how I feel the way I keep going on about the country. lol. Old folk in general don't annoy me. It's those old folk that think us young people should respect them, no matter what. I think its funny though, how car insurance, for example, is so expensive for young people, yet its old people that drive the wrong way down one way streets & drive their car into sea.



Ah when with a mate-- have to keep up street cred. LOL.


well car insurance is high for young drivers because all too often they drive rather dangerously. loving speed especially.

My son wanted to drive 100 miles a hour whenhe first passed his test!! wanting to show off to his mates. Some older people can be a hazard especially when their reactions are slower or maybe their eyesight is not as good as it should be. I have had friends who still drove when they had cataracts-- one man actually killed aman that he hadn't seen.


I have to go to the doctor next week to assess my fitness to drive.


The roads are dangerous and drivers need to be really alert. I hate it when I see drivers with mobile phones glued to their ears. I notice many mothers on the phone after dropping their kids at school.

I wonder if there are strict rules in Japan about using mobiles when driving.

HikoSeijuro 11-20-2010 07:30 PM

I am an American who is interested and likes (perhaps loves) the Japanese culture who went to school for Computer Animation and loves anime and who is going to Japan in a month:

The ONLY reason other cultures enjoy Japanese culture is because they lost the war.

Check out "Unit 731" and you'll see the atrocities Japan did against all others who were not Japanese including but not limited too: Maiming, amputation, infecting with STDs and various diseases for study, freezing parts of victims body and watching for study purposes, blowing up parts of body and seeing how long it takes for infection to set in...and ALL were dissected alive without anesthesia before being put to death upon which they were sent to the assembly-like ovens to be cremated (and yes..this is not Germany I am talking about but Japan.)

It's a lovely country with an intriguing culture but like every other culture it has had it's rotten times

File0 11-20-2010 07:38 PM

!!!
Now I'm really curious what that child (who started the thread) might have learned after reading all the posts here...and what conclusions can he make?

JamboP26 11-20-2010 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dogsbody70 (Post 838614)
Ah when with a mate-- have to keep up street cred. LOL.


well car insurance is high for young drivers because all too often they drive rather dangerously. loving speed especially.

My son wanted to drive 100 miles a hour whenhe first passed his test!! wanting to show off to his mates. Some older people can be a hazard especially when their reactions are slower or maybe their eyesight is not as good as it should be. I have had friends who still drove when they had cataracts-- one man actually killed aman that he hadn't seen.


I have to go to the doctor next week to assess my fitness to drive.


The roads are dangerous and drivers need to be really alert. I hate it when I see drivers with mobile phones glued to their ears. I notice many mothers on the phone after dropping their kids at school.

I wonder if there are strict rules in Japan about using mobiles when driving.

I believe the Japanese are very good courteous drivers, but you need to know a few tips to get on well with driving in Japan. Good luck at the doctors btw

GoNative 11-21-2010 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JamboP26 (Post 838633)
I believe the Japanese are very good courteous drivers, but you need to know a few tips to get on well with driving in Japan. Good luck at the doctors btw

Now I know you haven't been to Japan but Japanese good and courteous drivers? You really haven't got any idea whatsoever what it's really like here. You've made up a complete fantasy world that you call Japan but it doesn't come close to reality.

dogsbody70 11-21-2010 10:13 AM

Its strange how our minds can conjure up such fantasies isn't it.


perhaps someone would really get a culture shock when they arrive. Japanese surely are human beings like the rest of us.

JamboP26 11-21-2010 11:46 AM

Better drivers than here (in Scotland), then. The amount of folks driving poorly. I'm not surprised my dad's always on about "What's this d*** up to?" lol


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