JRock is too weird for me.But it haves quality.I prefer western rock tough it haves much more variety than JRock.

Well I grew up with WRock and I just recently as of the beginning of this yr got in to Jrock, So if a gun was put to my head I have to pick Wrock, but I luv both.

And they do actually have different sounds I mean if you Pick a Dir En Grey song and Compare it to a Deftones song, Or pick a GazettE song and compare to a Interpol song I mean the differences is astounding really But I like both sounds its amazing, It really is :)

Come on any one knows Wrock would win now theres more western bands and foreign bands would yank the spines out of jrock. But i like very select groups from jrock :vsign:

Agreed with that, this is a JapanForum so what do you expect? In the real world, Western Rock would own JROCK.

I must say superheel and iphantom i complete agree with you two :vsign:

Now, after thinking about it more, comparing W-rock and J-rock is stupid. The genres are so different on a deeper level than just aesthetics. It's like comparing rap and country. Forget about different languages, forget about the make-up, the costumes, the look. Listen and feel the music carefully. Analyze the sounds. Sounds like rap and country to me, now. XD That's my changed personal feeling on the matter.

Hold on don't dog on the old country legends and rap is crap and should not be with in any sentence that has rap. But we all seriously need to go to a concert and mosh tell we have to crawl out :vsign:

I find it so hard to even compare those genres. I agree with Arikado that it's just too different.
I couldn't imagine missing bands like The White Stripes and Placebo, but when I don't hear any J-rock I would freak out as well. I just need the music, but I don't prefer a genre. Though I prefer Miyavi over Green Day, I can't say I love Myv more that Jack White.
My heart's just too big to cut out one of the genres. xD

Don't worry Sutiiven, I was just using two random genres as an example, and those two happen to pop into my head first. Rap is crap, so don't get me wrong.

About moshing...I guess so, as long as I'm guaranteed to keep my life XD

DIE, that cannot be compared, I bet you only listened to GD last album, like most teens did, but they have 7 albums, yeah 7 and the 6 first are a lot better than the last, they are a 20 year old band with many songs with lyrics Miyavi can never make... look at fans of Miyavi, a lot of them like him because of the looks, wtf is that a way to judge a singer?

Ah alright then Arikado, thats cool and yes rap is crap.Well you will have your life .But with black eyes or broken bones needing stitches:D

J-Rock took its roots from Western Rock and changed to their own needs. No matter what, they have quite a lot of similarities.

Metal and Hardrock can be compared even if they sound different, because they both are under ROCK.

No offense but when i think of good western rock the one band that doesn't come to mind is Dragonfoce, they are just kind of a gimmick. But then again im not really a fan of hair metal or glam rock. There are much better western rock bands out there in my opinion, but i still love j-rock. And to the people saying western rock is boring, Are you only listening to the radio? Because if you are I completely understand. Radio rock is pretty awful, there are much better music out there.

I would also like to agree with the people saying that they are hard to compare and choose one. I only give it to western rock because all my Favorite bands are western bands besides like two which are jrock. They are both great!

I heard some of Greenday songs and they are pretty cool. I listened to some of Miyavi's and for me, they are just horrible, this is just my personal thought. I agree with most of his fans liking him because of his appearance.

I'd pick Miyavi over Green Day, really. Why? Because I've listened to Green Day, and find them somewhat unappealing, personally. Miyavi isn't the best musician either, but he has definate talent, and I respect that. Also, his music is pretty personal - he's a goof ball of a person, and his songs sound the same and give me the same feeling.

But I also find Miyavi one of the most unattractive JRockers out there. I'm sure Green Day has some shallow fans just like Miyavi does, so I don't think it's really right compare their fans >_>

0_0 Ahaha, I'd love to see that. I'll just watch from the sidelines.
I'd get trampled or so.

Oh ok Carley i understand you wanting to watch. Well if we could all go to one here like a group you would see it Carley but with broken bones or black eyes or need stitches by the time it ends .

I would imagine, a lot of my friends like to mosh.
Always bleeding... -_- Though it is fun to watch.

It's just the fact I'm tiny.

well your friends must have some crazy in them then.But Carley i have seen tiny people bring down some bug guys .

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAA.
no thanks.

I dun agree. But oh well.

And guys, stick to the topic okay?
We're not discussing mosh pits or rap here. It's a poll between rock and jrock. If u can't stay focused on it, I'm closing it. Okay? Got it? Good.

Even Green Day has such teens who fall just because for the main guy, Billie Joe. Girls especially... he uses eyeliners so yeah (and he only did in his last album). After they find out he's married, 36 and with kids, the fangirls suddenly stop. That will happen too when Miyavi gets a wife :mtongue:

The talent is there for Green Day. Billie Joe makes all songs + lyrics with the exception of some who are made by other band members. GD has quite great songs, Basket Case, Hitchin' A Ride, Brain Stew etc. but their American Idiot album changed to mainstream rock. They changed to a major label, like all artists do at one point.

I don't know how it is for Miyavi, but if he isn't already... he will soon sign with major label, and a couple of haters come after they do this, ignoring their past songs.

I have to say western... well, I'm not so much into Jmusic yet but what I heard was really good but... don't know... western rocks gots a lot of guitarrist and so that... uff... :P

I think some of their older stuff was good.
I don't know, maybe it was their newer music, or the fangirls, that
made me really turned off by them. But such is such with bands.

Both. And a new upcoming album is near, I hope they pull out something better than the last. Boulevard of Broken Dreams looked totally emo, and they are a punk band... now clearly changed more to pop-punk... the new stuff is catchy but if you listen it over and over it becomes annoying. Good songs are ones you never get annoyed, their old stuff was better.

I got Miyavi's last album :mtongue:

You're not feeling the music, that's why you can't tell the great difference. ;] Everything has its roots, and J-rock started just a bit after W-rock, and they probably weren't very different at the time, but decades of creativity and originality have entirely separated the two to their respective positions on the world map.

Aww, another person who dislikes DragonForce. I wonder why so many people hate DragonForce? There's no gimmick. What you see is what you get. If anything, they define the essence of power metal and more. They've just carved a path impossible for others to follow at the moment.

I am feeling the music and I know it pretty well. Don't make such assumptions. I wouldn't compare WRock vs JRock if they were to be the same... it's because they differ from each other that this thread is made. Both of them have the rock essence inside, who plays it better is the choice of JF members.

Well I don't know the answer for sure, but most of the people i know that don't like dragonforce are heavy metal elitist who don't like anything unless it has death metal growls and when it doest have growls it isn't real metal. Which i disagree with completely. I'm just not a huge fan of power metal in general. And I'm not a huge fan of the singer, but not because he is not screaming either. I like plenty of bands with high voices, so its just not the pitch of his voice. Just all I hear when I hear dragonforce is the same power metal song every time. They all sound exactly the same. Really fast guitar, really high power metal voice, lyrics about dragons. Thats what i mean by gimmick, they but on the same act over and over just because they know their fans will suck it up. Not trying to criticize your taste in music (even though thats what im doing lol), because i know lots of the bands i listen too would probably get torn apart by someone. I'm just giving my opinion that is all.

And for the record im a fan of all music, it just has to be good. This includes rap so stop hating on it. There is some amazing rap out there, and once again if you listening to the radio i would agree with you somewhat. Although there is some good rap on the radio. And old country is really good, i wouldn't say i listen to it on a regular basis. But guys like johnny cash, and hank Williams lived true "rock star lives". They were what people today see as living like a rockstar. And i don't mean all the stuff mentioned in that Nickleback song (crappy radio rock) but i mean drinking all day, getting high, getting in fights. Then turning around and singing about doing all that stuff and on top of it talking about killing people. Now i wont condone anything they did or sang about, but they were the original hardass bad boys. So before you diss whole genres of music take time to think about what your saying. Because while were all talking about the roots of music, rocks roots are planted deeply in country music, like it or not. Ill will give you this however, modern country is probably the worst music ever. So if thats where your comments originated from i will agree.

wow sorry i didnt even notice it was so long :D

J-Rock Baby! The GazettE is my favorite band in the whole wide world! Then after that....I like German Music.

I Really still like both there are great bands in both areas western and Asian I like both, I mean there are amazing bands in both areas. :) Now if you listen to most mainstream Western rock you might find alot of Shizz but if you look into those bands you dont see on MTV everyday you can find something good same with Jrock.

No need to get upset, it was part joke, notice the " ;] " smiley at the end. But only aesthetic comparisons are being made, that's what I'm saying. They're similar because they're both classified as "rock," and that's the only similarity I can see. The reason why it doesn't feel right to compare them is like I said, it's like putting rap and country (sorry for putting those two in the same sentence again) in the same poll, and that's the difference I'm talking about. The die hard fans of each side are parted in the same way.

Yeah, and I know a lot of other people hate DragonForce because it makes their favorite bands (particularly metal) look and taste like unflavored mush. About all the songs sounding the same, you need to listen to them more. At first I thought the exact same thing as you. They just sounded fast, and all their songs were the same. I gave it a chance, and after a while I brushed off the dirt and realized, "HOLY SH*T, I JUST DISCOVERED THE MODERN HOLY GRAIL." There are similarities in their songs, as all bands have certain trends and structures that they like to follow, because it defines them and sets them apart from others (most hope, haha).

But there's no doubt the lyrics are a little too much the same, but hey, that's power metal, hahahahah. Sing about dragons, battles, and magic! DragonForce has a more uplifting and encouraging feel to it however, more so than any other thing I've ever listened to. It makes me want to succeed in life and face the new day, forgetting about past troubles. It's really great once you get to know it better.

As for them being just fast, have you looked at any of the tablature? It boggles my mind how complex and rich in technique their guitar parts are. I've been playing guitar for over half my life, and trust me, I have busted my arse on plenty of music in my time, mostly metal, rock and classical, and I've never come across anything as difficult and stressful to play as DragonForce. Not just because it's fast. I can play fast, that's easy. Anybody can play fast if their hands are up to it. Now alternating between double tapping with your fret hand over the fret board, sweeping, flying up and down scales, and throwing in a few pinch harmonics here and there...uhhh, yeah, get back to me in a year of intense practice and I might have the solo down for one song. I am not exaggerating in any way.

Sorry for that being so long, hahah.

It is my opinion that Western rock is better over all. The newer Western rock is not as good as the older stuff, and I would rate it as follows: Old Western Rock, JRock, New Western Rock.

And in regards to Miyavi, he sure knows how to rock the guitar, wow!

The acoustic, especially.

The acoustic is so great! I am hooked on Miyaviuta. The tapping he does on his guitar is so great!

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I like both. Its too hard to decide when you admire both.

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Me too. Is hard for me to pick which one I like the best.

Western and J-rock has its own uniqueness.:rheart: