Can I blame you for Global Warming?

[vaskajaheta]

Originally Posted by HiroKazu

do you think if Global Warming get worse, the governments and the NASA will move the people to other planet? Sometimes I think that IDK why lol
but what do you think about it?

haha good one XD ROFLMAO!!

[CrazyLee]

Okay, here's a question to everyone that believes that Global Warming (or the new pc version: Climate change) - has it killed anyone yet? Can you prove to me that the changes to our atmosphere/climate/planet have actually contributed to the death of even 1 individual? If yes, then its a problem. If you cannot, then its not a problem.
We've been 'polluting' this world for over 2,000 years (I dont know how many exactly, but I'll go by the current year + lots ), why the sudden belief that our technological develpoment is to blame?

[noodle]

Tenchu, you've mentioned a lot. I haven't got the time to reply just now, but I promise, I'll reply soon. Just wanted to tell you not to worry about my studying. Global warming has been shoved in my face at school for the past 8 years and on TV/media for the past god knows how many years.

I've never accepted anything as fact when teachers presented is as that. I got this habbit after studying at a christian school. So, since I was taught about global warming, I've read up about it by myself. Thankfully, here at uni, in my geology classes, I've managed to gain more insight into the matter and it seems even geologists don't always agree that Man made global warming is true. That however doesn't mean that human's haven't contributed. To believe they haven't is a little silly, but to believe that we've caused such a huge affect is silly also.

Edit: Instincts tell me not to jump off a cliff too! Doesn't mean anything towards living life or existance of gravity

[Sangetsu]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

I'm not so sure, Noodle... here we go again...

The planet has been way hotter before, it is okay, but before it happened slowly, things had time to adjust. The expected rate of change now is quite quick. It will disrupt things.

I don't know what facts you expect to see. I don't think you study enough, really. No offence.

Carbon dioxide is what traps heat in the atmosphere.

Here is my view; the only things that really produce carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are decaying living things and volcanoes. Is it not possible the human emissions out weigh that of these forces? I think it is, but havn't actually seen the stats. Can't find 'em.

The greatest processor of carbon dioxide is plants and plankton. The plankton is microscopic, but together they are so abundant they can be seen from space; they are what turns the sea green.

Plankton uses crabon dioxide to make its shell. It dies, the shell falls to the bottom of the ocean and solidifies. As the plates shift, the carbon dioxide funnels underground slowly, the high temperatures cause it to heat, and it bursts out into the air again through volcanoes.

We have also found a use for dead plankton; oil; the fossil fuel. So, is it not possible we have seemingly doubled, tripled, or more the amount of what would be volcano fuel going into the atmosphere?

Plants also consume carbon dioxide. As they die, they decompose. This, mostly, goes straight up, or feeds rich soil. We are destroying the forests that process it, not only releasing the carbon dioxide in the forests, but also taking away the massive filter of the planet. Not to mention, the effect this has on the water we need for farming; 40% of the rain is made by our disappearing trees, making for more baron landscapes.

Moreover, carbon dioxide is not the only heat trapping gas. As plants die they are consumed by micro scopic organisms. These organisms produce methane as a by product. In other words, they fart. The frozen forests of places like siberia more than less decompose much slower, and produce less carbon dioxide. The catch would be that the dead plants are then consumed under the frozen tundra by these little fuc*ers. Their methane remains trapped in the perma frost; the frozen soil of constantly iced up land scapes.

The bad thing would be that as the planet heats, this will cause the release of this gas as the frost melts, speeding it up even more. Not to mention the lack of ice that can no longer reflect the suns heat. But those things are not our fault, you can see how we can trigger chain reactions.

Finnally, I'd like to add, the troposphere (first layer of the atmosphere) is made by life. Living things made it. It started with stromatolites, they produce oxygen as a bi product, like other plants, some couple billion years back or so. Life made this atmosphere, it has, in the past, altered it, often with catastrophic concequences, and it can, in the future, alter it again and even destroy it.

Lastly, I'd like to express my opinion that carbon emissions are only a fraction of the problem of what over population is.



There are these one people; nihilist... you should look into it.

Personally, I do not think there is a point to continue living, but my will to do so is natural. It is just the way I am, and I am who I am. There is no point to change that, either (who I am, that is).

Anyway, what MMM said has a point. I think you bent it.



Science is creative exploring. Imagination. Collecting facts, testing them, even challenging yourself by proving yourself wrong. Ultimately, science is faith in your theory.

Science has nothing to do with challenging yourself or others. Real science is the cold and impersonal gathering of facts. Science has nothing to do with faith. Faith implies belief, while science searches for the truth, and we all know that faith and truth are often opposites of each other.

Co2 is a minor greenhouse gas, and it has never been shown in history to cause global warming. Even IPCC scientists admit that Co2 levels in the past and present follow heat increases, and to not precipitate them. The other "major" greenhouse gas is methane, for which cows have been blamed for producing in huge quantities. But, methane levels have been decreasing for the lat 10 years, and no one yet knows why.

Man has actually done a lot to the environment which causes global cooling. The vast farmlands of the American midwest and other parts of the world reflect large amounts of the sun's energy away from the earth, and these farms cover more area than the world's cities, which are blamed for causing global "hot spots".

Man cannot destroy the world, even if he made an organized attempt to do it. The world has endured far worse disasters than man is capable of. More species have become extinct in the past than exist in life now, and man is responsible only for the tiniest fraction of the smallest percent.

"Climate change" is nothing but a political movement designed to spread socialist ideology, a new wealth redistribution scheme which is aimed at the industries and economies of the developed world. "Climate change" would more accurately be called "Eco Socialism", because that's what it really is.

[Aniki]

Originally Posted by CrazyLee

Okay, here's a question to everyone that believes that Global Warming (or the new pc version: Climate change) - has it killed anyone yet? Can you prove to me that the changes to our atmosphere/climate/planet have actually contributed to the death of even 1 individual? If yes, then its a problem. If you cannot, then its not a problem.
We've been 'polluting' this world for over 2,000 years (I dont know how many exactly, but I'll go by the current year + lots ), why the sudden belief that our technological develpoment is to blame?

The people who die from hurricanes, in which the numbers of them are increasing form global warming every year isn't enough for you? And since when do we need human casualties to understand that this a huge problem?

Originally Posted by CrazyLee

We've been 'polluting' this world for over 2,000 years (I dont know how many exactly, but I'll go by the current year + lots ), why the sudden belief that our technological develpoment is to blame?

2,000 years? A little bit overdramatic, don't you think?
Starting from stone age to the industrial times the pollution was nothing compared with the pollution in these days, because in those times the human population wasn't so big as it is right now, trees weren't cut that much as they are right now, and people weren't dependent so much from oil and natural gas as they are right now.

[Eiri]

I feel like bashing someones head up against the wall everytime I hear "global warming doesnt exist"

Lee, its true global warming hasnt killed anyone, but its killing out planet. Our home. So much pollution in the air and water for so many years is and does have an effect on the planet. If you havent notice (or just havent bothered to) the polar ice caps are melting, you want proof of that look up pictures of them, what 30, 40 yrs ago? and find a more recent pircture of the ice caps now and give me one good explanation as to why so much ice is gone. As an effect of the ice melting, the ocean is rising. Small islands are going to dissapear and beaches are going to get smaller and the ocean is going to start creeping up into the town/cities/villages that are close to the beach. Plus I've noticed changes in the weather. I moved to Florida from PR in 03 and the summer was hot as hell and the winter freezing (at least for me ) now the summer are hotter than I remember and this last october was cold. It wasnt last year or the years before that. And in december, where I once remembered it being cold/freezing the years before, this year it was warm. {Has anyone else notice changes in the weather??? :/}

Also few of us have to deal with hurricanes and such, but those of us who have had to,
1- have noticed that the few that form their intencity that there starting to form themselves is stronger than years before
and 2- should have noticed that if you havent

And somewhere in the thread someone mentioned the forests that used to be abundant thru out the planet, ppl keep in mind that plants and trees is where we get our clean oxygen from >.>

And someone pointed a finger at the factories(and some other stuff) that every single country has(even if its just one, small factory), and yes they are the blame for the mass amount of carbon dioxide that is being released into the atmosphere, and yes the atmosphere already has carbon dioxide naturaly but to much of it is whats causing global warming, so since factories are created by humans, yes we are to blame for throwing our planet downt the shit hole.

[zed]

ok contributing to other's facts here are some of what I know about

- Eleven of last 12 years were the hottest ever recorded
That's since 1850. And the high temperatures of the last 50 years are unusual for at least the last 1300 years.

- We are dumping about 1000 tons of CO2 per second into the atmosphere Current rates of greenhouse gas emissions into the atmosphere are unprecedented. Carbon dioxide emissions are mostly from burning fossil fuels.

- The current atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide is 35% greater than pre-industrial levels.and contrary to what someone said Methane concentrations have increased by 250%. These dramatic increases in greenhouse gases are human-caused.

- Global warming produces severe weather and rising seas.
Warming oceans and melting ice have caused the sea level to rise at a rate unprecedented in the last 3000 years. Other changes associated with warming include increased incidences of drought, flooding, heat waves, and intense cyclones.

- Global warming effects are predicted to get much worse
By 2100, global temperatures will increase another 2 to 11 °F. Increases are predicted in heat waves, drought, intense cyclones, and loss of coastal and low areas.

- Global warming will affect millions of people by 2100
Loss of habitable land is predicted to result from flooding and droughts. Increases are predicted in heat-caused deaths, famines, drinking water scarcity, disease, and forest fires.

- 25% of the world's species could be lost from global warming effects
More than 1 million plant and animal species will vanish if global temperatures continue to rise as predicted in the next 50 years.

- China plans to build about one coal-fired electrical power plant per week over a period of a decade
The US currently emits more greenhouse gases than any other nation, but China will soon pass the US as the worst greenhouse gas emitter.

- It's too late to stop global warming, but we can limit it
Models show that limiting greenhouse gas emissions can prevent the most extreme scenarios for global warming.

As I said maibe you (those who find hard to hold people accountable for global warming) dont want to change the way they live, its your choice, but I bet you can't contradict the facts.

[noodle]

Everytime someone mentions the melting of ice-caps, I can't help but think they're just brainwashed from media... If you check any reputed oceantologist that has concentrated their research around this particular area of the planet, you will see that the melting and freezing of ice-caps is cyclic. So, to state such a thing with certainty makes you look foolish. BUT anyway, lets forget that and say yes, they are just melting because the planet is hot!!! How does that in any way prove it's man made heat (GW)? It is a result of the earth warming up. The earth warming up isn't a result of the ice-caps melting (ooops, I forgot the reflections right???). If you take the ice caps melting to be a cause to the earth warming up, then you're in a paradox (I'll let you figure that out). If you believe it's a contributer, then you should read up on some oceantologists' research...

[HiroKazu]

Originally Posted by Tenchu

How old are you?

Im 16

why?

[superheel]

No one is really to be blamed for Global Warming. But we humans should do our part. I mean, Global Warming is true, and no matter how you deny it, it's true.