Pres. Obama and Nobel Peace Prize

[IamKira]

Originally Posted by samurai007

Obama is making a far, far bigger mess than Bush ever did. And he's a man of appeasement, not peace... there's a big difference.

how?... explain to me how you've come to that conclusion when, let me just remind you

the Bush admin.: = war under false pretences
warrant-less search and seizure
abu ghraib torture scandal
and my personal favorite--- not many people seem to know this, but during the bush admin reign over the u.s., the CIA could take anyone they wanted at any time in the u.s. and transfer them to gitmo without cause, without notification of closest relatives, without trial, and could hold them there indefinately..
and we know the bush cabinet gave executive orders allowing the use of sleep deprevation, waterboarding, insect torture and a few others to gain knowledge from the so called terrorists they had locked up.

[TyreaL]

Originally Posted by samurai007

Obama is making a far, far bigger mess than Bush ever did. And he's a man of appeasement, not peace... there's a big difference.

Define the mess that obama is doing it ?


and

you are calling obama a man of appeasement ? then what you call bush ?

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by IamKira

how?... explain to me how you've come to that conclusion when, let me just remind you

At this point in America:
The American people, I think, are done with the left-right thing. We are done with the Democrats and Republicans. We can see that both of them, some of them are good, some of them are bad; both of them lie to us. It’s time for them to just deal straight and just do the right thing for the country.

[SSJup81]

Originally Posted by clintjm

At this point in America:
The American people, I think, are done with the left-right thing. We are done with the Democrats and Republicans. We can see that both of them, some of them are good, some of them are bad; both of them lie to us. It’s time for them to just deal straight and just do the right thing for the country.

That's always going to be subjective, though. Whenever someone gets into office and does things for the country, he/she genuinely feels that he/she is doing what's best for the country.

[clintjm]

Originally Posted by SSJup81

That's always going to be subjective, though. Whenever someone gets into office and does things for the country, he/she genuinely feels that he/she is doing what's best for the country.

Not the ones that are dishonest. Dishonest can also mean, anti-constitutional, anti-bill of rights, breaking the law, breaking the rules of human rights. Dishonest can also hold the meaning breaking the rules/laws for what they believe to be the greater good. Dishonest can also mean obtaining a position just for personal gain. There are plently of these people, so its not "Whenever someone gets into office" or every person that gets into office... but yes, I do believe some of these officials do still exist, I think more so though at lower levels of government. To that your point has merit.

[Kyousuke]

since were on the subject of obama and the Dems and Reps political parties, i wanted to ask why people seem to think of obama as a socialist? does it really matter?


also to Samurai007

Bush burned down the house and now Obama is rebuilding it. of course obama is going to have problems fixing our economy and making things right, but you cant exactly fix something and expect it to be the same as before.

[MMM]

Originally Posted by Kyousuke

since were on the subject of obama and the Dems and Reps political parties, i wanted to ask why people seem to think of obama as a socialist? does it really matter?

I guess you say something enough times it then becomes a fact.

President Obama is not a socialist, has never been a socialist, and will likely never be a socialist. The Socialist Party of America does not recognize him as one, and it's thanks the presidential campaign speeches by Republicans like McCain, Palin and Huckabee that started this last year, and even though the campaign is over, the right-wing finds it easy to tear down anything Pres. Obama says and does with the blanket statement that "Obama is a socialist." This has now leaked down into the vernacular of your average American who like to spout the same phrase when chances are few of them know what it even means.

To be socialist is to be anti-capitalist and anti private industry. Look at how much money has been poured into private industry. Obama is clearly a free-market democrat...much the opposite of socialist ideals.

Look at health care. "Socialized health care", like in Japan and Canada and other industrialized nations eliminates the need for private insurance companies. This isn't even on the table in terms of what the debate is about.

So please steer me to the policies of this administration that really are socialist. Anyone.

[alanX]

Originally Posted by Kyousuke

Bush burned down the house

I love you.

I love people who think the president is God almighty sitting in the White House.

My friend, the president does not have all the power in the world. In fact, the President can do very little without the approval of the Senate.

If you want to blame anyone for "burning down the house," then you should blame the Senate for allowing Mr. Bush do do the things he did.

[Kyousuke]

Originally Posted by alanX

I love you.

I love people who think the president is God almighty sitting in the White House.

My friend, the president does not have all the power in the world. In fact, the President can do very little without the approval of the Senate.

If you want to blame anyone for "burning down the house," then you should blame the Senate for allowing Mr.Bush do do the things he did.

First of all our nation was attacked and the Senate gave him there full support, so he did get away with alot.
But the senate was republican controlled when bush was president. HE did ALLOW our military to invade IRAQ when the culprits who bombed the world trade center WERE known Saudi's including Bin Laden. HE changed health care reform and introduced NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND which i applaud him for. wasnt that a waste of money. when his own party told him that the war in iraq wasnt going well and to end it, HE didnt want to. HE tried to sell the ports of Dubay to Arabia . It doesnt matter if he had senate approval or not, he still fucked up pretty bad. He sat down for 7 minutes when they told him we were under attack. Ive been hearing it alot on the news that he is or may be the worst president in history, but apparently there wrong.

[Kyousuke]

graci for that MMM . I saw an episode of Jon stewart where some guy was saying "Because hes a socialist! We should be afriad! We should all be afraid!" end qoute. its weird how political parties have more say than effective leaders in our country