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burkhartdesu 06-19-2009 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 735746)
Couldn't agree more..

So many mixed kids are so cute, although I know a few that don't qualify.

Luckily my son ranks up their with the best:)

You're unbelievably shallow.

tact [takt] keen sense of what is appropriate, tasteful, or aesthetically pleasing;

bELyVIS 06-19-2009 08:57 PM

Almost all kids are cute. It is when we become adults that we get ugly.:mtongue:

MMM 06-19-2009 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 735785)
You're unbelievably shallow.

tact [takt] keen sense of what is appropriate, tasteful, or aesthetically pleasing;

I would rather he thinks his kids are cute than ugly.

burkhartdesu 06-19-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 735802)
I would rather he thinks his kids are cute than ugly.

I would rather he think his kids are attractive too-- but because they are cute, not because they are 'mixed race.'

And wishing a disability on your child because they are rowdy is completely shallow, and not really funny.

forgotenmemory 06-20-2009 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 735803)
I would rather he think his kids are attractive too-- but because they are cute, not because they are 'mixed race.'

And wishing a disability on your child because they are rowdy is completely shallow, and not really funny.

Not shallow, but cruel and weird, but he didn't mean it, ya know.

MMM 06-20-2009 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 735803)
I would rather he think his kids are attractive too-- but because they are cute, not because they are 'mixed race.'

I didn't see the part where he said he is glad his kids were mixed.

Tenchu 06-20-2009 03:38 AM

Puppy dogs are cute; human children are just gross. I can't stand them before the age of about 3 1/2 or so. Even then girls are alright, but boys need beating all the time. Snotty nosed runts.

forgotenmemory 06-20-2009 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 735872)
Puppy dogs are cute; human children are just gross. I can't stand them before the age of about 3 1/2 or so. Even then girls are alright, but boys need beating all the time. Snotty nosed runts.

Don't you want a child? I thought I read you did

Tenchu 06-20-2009 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by forgotenmemory (Post 735892)
Don't you want a child? I thought I read you did

Yes. But that doesn't mean I have to like it...

Tenchu 06-20-2009 04:49 AM

What the fu**?

MMM 06-20-2009 04:55 AM

Enough games, boys.

forgotenmemory 06-20-2009 04:58 AM

Oh crud, it's the fuzz.

*runs*

Anyways, this thread seems kinda familiar, like an old thread from last year.

ozkai 06-20-2009 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bELyVIS (Post 735799)
Almost all kids are cute. It is when we become adults that we get ugly.:mtongue:

Speak for yourself;)

ozkai 06-20-2009 10:47 AM

I don't think it matters.

When you have your own kids, mixed or not, with or without a disability, if you don't love them, well, something has to be very wrong.

The cuteness is something else. I see some kids which are cute, other's don't look cute, but are cheeky monkeys, other's just have great personalities without a cute look, and vica versa..

Then again, other's think that other's are cute, and other's not.. We all differ in our own opinions..

I get comments about my son being cute all over the place. He is a little show off and a smarty pants, and I get away with murder when shopping because of his cuteness.

Not many can let their 2.2 year olds run rampant in a storage shop using the merchandise as building bricks as happened this weekend!

The female shop assistants were encouraging him which gave mummy and daddy some serious decide shopping time.

By the way, my son is "mixed" Japanese-Australian. It's definitely not on my mind though.. He's a small boy who loves what a 2.2 year old should be loving.

he get's the best of both worlds:vsign:

The disability thing, well, I was prepared for it mentally, and fully committed just in case. It certainly wouldn't have changed my opinions in regards to my son.

I remember asking the doc at ultrasound time.. "Are all his toes and finger's their" "Two eyes", etc.

It's a scary thought for many but don't let other's phase you..

My best buddy at school had a deaf and dumb brother. ken was by memory ten years older then me..

His bro and me had fun teasing him about his disabilities.. He would always win though, physically! (Thisis Aussie style)

The best part was his dad invented the brail telephone which became famous world wide..

I worked with colleagues next door the Para-olympic section on the Sydney Olympics Organising commitee.. No big deal.. Half the workers were athletes and participants..

It's just not a taboo thing with me.. My mate could have one leg, I don't care and it wouldn't make him any lesser to me..

Disabilities for me just do not qualify for anything special..

Nyororin 06-20-2009 11:43 AM

I am really stunned by the level of ignorance and lack of thought.
Really. There is very little that truly makes me shake my head on here - and this has succeeded.

It doesn`t matter whether you think differently of those with disabilities.
That isn`t the point, nor does it even have anything to do with the reason I (and Burkhartdesu) feel shocked.
I really do not think you realize what you have said.

You are making a flippant remark about wishing your own child were disabled, because, you know, that`s so cute and all. Without giving ANY thought to the seriousness - without giving any thought to the future of that child. And without giving any thought to the fact that 99.99999% of parents who have a disabled child, if there were a magic way to turn back time and remove the problems from their child`s future, would kill for that chance.

I doubt you would look at a starving child in a third world country and then turn to their parents and saw "Aww, that`s so cute! I wish my son were malnourished too because he eats too much and is so hard to carry these days!" - but yet you think it`s alright to say you think it`s cute that my son will likely require some level of care for the rest of his life... But of course, you can think that way, as you have no problems flaunting how intelligent and amazing your kid is. You never have to worry about months upon months of hospitalization, years and years of therapy, a lifetime of supervision. Not to mention the nagging fear of what will happen once you`re gone. What happens when you`re not there... How things will end up.

Yep, it`s just all cute and sweet. What a wonderful world you live in!

komitsuki 06-20-2009 12:04 PM

One of my closest friend is a mix (Hakka Chinese mother and Northern Indian father) and she really hates it because she can't fit into any groups. And I know plenty of mixed people who really wish they weren't mixed.

People forget that a lot of them tend to have identity crisis and inner cultural conflict when they grow up.

My yet to be born future cousin is half-Italian and half-Korean and my whole family already worries that the kid will have a huge unavoidable quality hardship. Not because of biological appearance but because of direct cultural identity clashes.

This is a very sensitive subject that shouldn't be taken lightly.

yuujirou 06-20-2009 01:17 PM

ahah!

Yuujirou ish of pureblood x]
toisanese >.>''

Kayci 06-20-2009 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 735962)
I am really stunned by the level of ignorance and lack of thought.
Really. There is very little that truly makes me shake my head on here - and this has succeeded.

It doesn`t matter whether you think differently of those with disabilities.
That isn`t the point, nor does it even have anything to do with the reason I (and Burkhartdesu) feel shocked.
I really do not think you realize what you have said.

You are making a flippant remark about wishing your own child were disabled, because, you know, that`s so cute and all. Without giving ANY thought to the seriousness - without giving any thought to the future of that child. And without giving any thought to the fact that 99.99999% of parents who have a disabled child, if there were a magic way to turn back time and remove the problems from their child`s future, would kill for that chance.

I doubt you would look at a starving child in a third world country and then turn to their parents and saw "Aww, that`s so cute! I wish my son were malnourished too because he eats too much and is so hard to carry these days!" - but yet you think it`s alright to say you think it`s cute that my son will likely require some level of care for the rest of his life... But of course, you can think that way, as you have no problems flaunting how intelligent and amazing your kid is. You never have to worry about months upon months of hospitalization, years and years of therapy, a lifetime of supervision. Not to mention the nagging fear of what will happen once you`re gone. What happens when you`re not there... How things will end up.

Yep, it`s just all cute and sweet. What a wonderful world you live in!

...This made me want to cry.

No parent should have to go through this, and yet a lot do...

At my high school, they have a high level of special needs/deaf/blind students, and someone made a similar comment about one student. Glares everywhere....

Tenchu 06-21-2009 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 735941)
I get comments about my son being cute all over the place. He is a little show off and a smarty pants, and I get away with murder when shopping because of his cuteness.

Not many can let their 2.2 year olds run rampant in a storage shop using the merchandise as building bricks as happened this weekend!

Do you have any idea how much people hate kids like what you describe, and shun parents who don't igve a f*ck?

I just had to sit on a plane a couple weeks back for 9 hours with some family behind me that had absolutely no control over there about 2 and a half year old son. Damn it is annoying.

You may think it is cute when he runs around screaming and crying and throws shit everywhere and breaks stuff, but the most people around just frown, even if you don't see it.

Just think, if you cannot control a 2 year old, how much trouble will you have when it gets to 15?

Tenchu 06-21-2009 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 735962)
I am really stunned by the level of ignorance and lack of thought.
Really. There is very little that truly makes me shake my head on here - and this has succeeded.

It doesn`t matter whether you think differently of those with disabilities.
That isn`t the point, nor does it even have anything to do with the reason I (and Burkhartdesu) feel shocked.
I really do not think you realize what you have said.

You are making a flippant remark about wishing your own child were disabled, because, you know, that`s so cute and all. Without giving ANY thought to the seriousness - without giving any thought to the future of that child. And without giving any thought to the fact that 99.99999% of parents who have a disabled child, if there were a magic way to turn back time and remove the problems from their child`s future, would kill for that chance.

I doubt you would look at a starving child in a third world country and then turn to their parents and saw "Aww, that`s so cute! I wish my son were malnourished too because he eats too much and is so hard to carry these days!" - but yet you think it`s alright to say you think it`s cute that my son will likely require some level of care for the rest of his life... But of course, you can think that way, as you have no problems flaunting how intelligent and amazing your kid is. You never have to worry about months upon months of hospitalization, years and years of therapy, a lifetime of supervision. Not to mention the nagging fear of what will happen once you`re gone. What happens when you`re not there... How things will end up.

Yep, it`s just all cute and sweet. What a wonderful world you live in!

I hear you, don't worry. I know it was a poor thing to say. I understand how hard it must be.

I think my Chuekie is pregnant again (after so long trying; first one miscarriaged). We both say we cannot take care of one if it isn't 100%. We wouldn't keep it, so you must be bold.

Nyororin 06-21-2009 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 736560)
I hear you, don't worry. I know it was a poor thing to say. I understand how hard it must be.

I think my Chuekie is pregnant again (after so long trying; first one miscarriaged). We both say we cannot take care of one if it isn't 100%. We wouldn't keep it, so you must be bold.

You would be surprised.
I figured the last thing I would want would be to have a disabled kid. Physical disability, yeah, I figured I could handle that - but mental disability? No way.

Then stuff happened. I tried to make the choice to let my son die (he was technically a miscarriage, if I were to go into detail - he was about to die inside and be naturally aborted from what I understand) but he was past viability so was extracted and put in the hospital.
There was no way to know what would happen, and things were happening quickly enough that there really wasn`t a point where you could say "Wait, I don`t want this kid." All I could do was stand by an incubator and hope that if he was going to have a poor quality of life that he pass away quickly and with little suffering.
And then after 5 months when he was released from intensive care we got the news on the brain damage (not a huge surprise) but after all that time it wasn`t as if you could just say no to taking him home.

Most of the time you don`t know the kid has a disability until they`ve been around for years and you`ve gotten attached and invested a bunch of time and money into them. And at that point, I think it would be very hard to just call it quits - especially when you really don`t know how bad things will be until the kid is a lot older. Even more so if most everything else is close to perfect.

Disability or not, my son is still one of the best behaved kids I know. And that is saying a lot as most parents are fairly attentive in Japan. Behaving like a spoilt brat is never cute. Even with an "excuse" I still wouldn`t tolerate that crap. Run around in a store messing with stuff? We`re leaving, NOW. I cannot stand people who just stand by giggling as their kid breaks every rule of being in public. Sure, it may seem cute at 2, but how about at 4 or 5? You`ve just been supporting their behavior all along so it will really come back and bite you when you decide they`re too old for it.

Tenchu 06-21-2009 09:42 AM

Nyororin, if my wife can display even half of the mothering qualities you have to my child, I'll be a very fortunate man with a very fortunate child.

I guess I cannot say how I'll go through it (disabilities) until it does happen (if ever). Even if I say I know. So I'll just leave that.

ozkai 06-21-2009 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 735962)

You are making a flippant remark about wishing your own child were disabled, because, you know, that`s so cute and all. Without giving ANY thought to the seriousness - without giving any thought to the future of that child. And without giving any thought to the fact that 99.99999% of parents who have a disabled child, if there were a magic way to turn back time and remove the problems from their child`s future, would kill for that chance.


I don't think anybody would wish that on their child, although it wouldn't change my mind if my child did have a disability.

Like I said, I understand the extra work, but at the end of the day, if it happens, live and let live with a smile.

I guess we ALL have different personalities.

You seem to be trying to over prove something here and I am just not getting it, although I respect your opinion.

I am getting the message that you expect people to feel sorry for you of which I do not.

I can here your negative thought's on spoilt kids as being brats and thank you for your opinion, however, and I repeat, It does not change my perspective on people with disabilities.

Nyororin 06-21-2009 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 736662)
I don't think anybody would wish that on their child, although it wouldn't change my mind if my child did have a disability.

Like I said, I understand the extra work, but at the end of the day, if it happens, live and let live with a smile.

I guess we ALL have different personalities.

You seem to be trying to over prove something here and I am just not getting it, although I respect your opinion.

I am getting the message that you expect people to feel sorry for you of which I do not.

I can here your negative thought's on spoilt kids as being brats and thank you for your opinion, however, and I repeat, It does not change my perspective on people with disabilities.

Honestly, I give up. Somewhere along the line what you are focusing on in what I am saying, and what I was trying to point out as being head-shaking sad about the comment you made completely missed each other. It doesn`t matter what your opinion or feelings about people with disabilities. Nor do I want anyone to feel sorry for me or my son.
It`s that you said THIS
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Very cute.. I think I may have wished for the same as Kai is driving me nuts!

I feel like I'm listening to a broken record player!
Which amounts to saying that you wished your son were disabled because normal is driving you nuts. You are saying that you DID wish that on your child, because apparently it`s cute to be disabled... Which I strongly STRONGLY agree with.

If you cannot see why I am left stunned (along with some others...) then really, there is not much else I can say. I thought the example of saying you wished your kid were malnourished too because he is too big to the parent of a starving child would make it clearer, but I guess not. *sigh*

ozkai 06-21-2009 12:43 PM

Nyorin, I'm not sure what I was saying their but of course I do not wish my son was disabled.

Having said that, I am trying to say here that I feel for you, your son and hope all is as happy as can be.

I am also saying for me, If my son was disabled, It wouldn't make me think he was less cuter and I am sure of that.

I also realize that your son's disability must make things a little more difficult for Mum and Dad, but hey, that's life ne, or is that just me?

I am also trying to say that if I knew you personally as a friend, you would understand much clearer.

I had a disabled boy in one of my classes in Japan.. Nine students, one boy had a disability..

I'm not sure what exactly was wrong, but it drove me NUTS how his mum would pay special attention and all I wanted to do was treat him the same as all the students and not make him feel "special" which I thought would make him feel comfortable naturally.

It worked and he flourished in my class. Things were good..

Tenchu 06-22-2009 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 736668)
I'm not sure what exactly was wrong, but it drove me NUTS how his mum would pay special attention and all I wanted to do was treat him the same as all the students and not make him feel "special" which I thought would make him feel comfortable naturally...

I hate that, too. I agree with your perspective here, but I don't think this sounds like Nyororin.

Shokupanman 06-22-2009 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by UsagiSarah (Post 679204)
I was wondering if anybody on here are a mixed race couple with children or babies on the way, or are children of mixed races in Japan.

I am a Caucasian woman marrying a Japanese man. We are very excited to start our family soon after marrying. I would like to get to know others who have married other races maybe share some photos of children!

I always enjoy seeing mixed race families where i work it makes me excited about my future family!:vsign:

Whether they are mixed or otherwise I would just add that I personally think that all kids are cute......until they grow up!:eek:

Good luck with the marriage and making the kids, that's the fun part, then the labor of love starts and please keep in mind that your kids, no matter if they are mixed or otherwise, should be treasured for who they are and not what their heritage is.

Tenchu 06-22-2009 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Shokupanman (Post 736903)
Good luck with the marriage and making the kids, that's the fun part, then the labor of love starts and please keep in mind that your kids, no matter if they are mixed or otherwise, should be treasured for who they are and not what their heritage is.

Bullsh**! My kid is going to dread the fact it is half Thai...

If it wants to be treasured then it has to earn that, anyway.

lfarroco 06-22-2009 03:57 AM

I am from Brazil and I know some people that are mixed japaneses. It seems that the niponic genes tend to overcome the western ones =P

In this article in Wikipedia you can see that the japanese brazilians aren't any different from the ones in Japan.
Japanese Brazilian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe that the diet is the cause of some corporal small differences, like the size of the breasts, height and so on.

Just to note: I am mixed of portuguese, german and amerindian... xD

Shokupanman 06-22-2009 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 736906)
Bullsh**! My kid is going to dread the fact it is half Thai...

If it wants to be treasured then it has to earn that, anyway.

With a parent like you what kid would ever need an enemy.

Damn I wonder if Tiger Woods ever regreted that his Mom was Thai:rolleyes:

Parents insecurities have a funny way of getting passed down to their children. I just hope that your child manages to find a way to overlook and outgrow one of his or her parents ignorance.

forgotenmemory 06-22-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 736906)
Bullsh**! My kid is going to dread the fact it is half Thai...

If it wants to be treasured then it has to earn that, anyway.

What's wrong with being half thai?

burkhartdesu 06-22-2009 05:59 PM

It's threads like these that make me lose my faith in humanity.

komitsuki 06-23-2009 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ozkai (Post 728821)
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And yes, that is what I meant... My son didn`t speak his first word until he was 4.
Very cute.. I think I may have wished for the same as Kai is driving me nuts!

I feel like I'm listening to a broken record player!

This is not a cute thing. I too didn't speak my first word until I was 4. Speaking until the kid's age is 4 is actually a torture because the kid will encounter more problems with education in the future.

Get it straight, please. This is not cute since it's very close to a form of disability medically and psychologically.

Tenchu 06-23-2009 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Shokupanman (Post 736928)
With a parent like you what kid would ever need an enemy.

Damn I wonder if Tiger Woods ever regreted that his Mom was Thai:rolleyes:

Parents insecurities have a funny way of getting passed down to their children. I just hope that your child manages to find a way to overlook and outgrow one of his or her parents ignorance.

What's the bet that by the age of 15, my kid is already a chmpion of most the southern Thai boxing stadiums, and fighting in the big Bangkok stadiums before 20?

Being hard on children, making them earn their respect... I know what I'm doing. Other people are way too soft these days.

Tenchu 06-23-2009 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by forgotenmemory (Post 737015)
What's wrong with being half thai?

That was a bit of a joke, really.

Anyway, it isn't the best thing. I'm worried he'll (if it is a boy) will be undersized compaired in western standards. He won't if he inherits my genes on size. Let's hope. Also, a small penis can damage the ego, too.

Shokupanman 06-23-2009 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 737373)
What's the bet that by the age of 15, my kid is already a chmpion of most the southern Thai boxing stadiums, and fighting in the big Bangkok stadiums before 20?

So? Good for him but not you. You come across to me as a parent that is living their dreams through their children. What you couldn't do you forced upon your child.

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I know what I'm doing. Other people are way too soft these days
Yeah right.:rolleyes: I feel sorry for your child.

Ronin4hire 06-23-2009 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 737374)
That was a bit of a joke, really.

Anyway, it isn't the best thing. I'm worried he'll (if it is a boy) will be undersized compaired in western standards. He won't if he inherits my genes on size. Let's hope. Also, a small penis can damage the ego, too.

Why would it matter if he's not big?

If he's a fighter he'll fight in a weight division anyway. Lightweight/Featherweight/Welterweight etc...

And what makes you think he'll have a "small" penis? And why does it matter if he happens to have one? That's just one of the weirdest comments I've ever come across. I mean first of all that stereotype about Asians and undersized penises is just not true. But even if your child does have a penis that's a bit on the small side then it's up to you to assure him that it doesn't really matter in the bigger picture if it becomes a problem for him and to instill characteristics and values that do really matter.

Tenchu 06-24-2009 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Shokupanman (Post 737679)
So? Good for him but not you. You come across to me as a parent that is living their dreams through their children. What you couldn't do you forced upon your child.

No. I do kick boxing myself. I hope he'd be following in his fathers footsteps.

Tenchu 06-24-2009 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 737693)
Why would it matter if he's not big?

If he's a fighter he'll fight in a weight division anyway. Lightweight/Featherweight/Welterweight etc...

And what makes you think he'll have a "small" penis? And why does it matter if he happens to have one? That's just one of the weirdest comments I've ever come across. I mean first of all that stereotype about Asians and undersized penises is just not true. But even if your child does have a penis that's a bit on the small side then it's up to you to assure him that it doesn't really matter in the bigger picture if it becomes a problem for him and to instill characteristics and values that do really matter.

It isn't an untrue sterio-type. There are a few Thai hulks floating around, but everyone here knows the vast majority average penis size is way below whites and Africans.

I think only a person who has a small penis would bother to say it doesn't matter what size it is, anyway.

Yes, weight is irrelevant in kick boxing. But to make you a decent fighter in reality (outside the ring) then you want to be a large man.

MMM 06-24-2009 05:54 AM

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