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UsagiSarah 02-26-2009 09:10 PM

Mixed race children.
 
I was wondering if anybody on here are a mixed race couple with children or babies on the way, or are children of mixed races in Japan.

I am a Caucasian woman marrying a Japanese man. We are very excited to start our family soon after marrying. I would like to get to know others who have married other races maybe share some photos of children!

I always enjoy seeing mixed race families where i work it makes me excited about my future family!:vsign:

Tsuruneru 02-26-2009 10:22 PM

Hello well I'm not living in japan right now but I'm black and Japanese if that counts?

Ronin4hire 02-26-2009 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Tsuruneru (Post 679234)
Hello well I'm not living in japan right now but I'm black and Japanese if that counts?

Awesome! Your Blackanese!!! :D

(Hope that's not offensive)

Tsuruneru 02-26-2009 10:39 PM

No its not i say the joke at time too. when i was taking karate classes one of my friends said in the sight of battle two foes will fight blackanese vs germanese.:o

kenmei 02-26-2009 10:58 PM

PM/talk to Nyororin ;)

Tsuruneru 02-26-2009 11:03 PM

ah good times,good times.:)

Ronin4hire 02-26-2009 11:09 PM

Actually! I'm mixed race too!

(Caucasian, Polynesian)

But such people (Caucasian, Polynesian mixes) are common here in New Zealand so I don't really think about it.

werkz 02-26-2009 11:33 PM

I too am a mix of different nationalities, but as of a few days ago more than i thought. My mother is Korean and my father is Mexican so its a strange mix of the bat already. I was having a conversation with my mother a few days ago about my family's ancestry. Turns out that i am also part Japanese and possibly Chinese. It blew my mind to find this out. She said that this happened to our family when Korea was under Japanese rule. I guess that this may have happened a lot during this time but i am not sure about that history ( It has sparked my interest on that subject though).

I wonder how people of mixed nationalities are accepted in Japanese society.

Sinestra 02-26-2009 11:46 PM

I love learning about mixed people since im pretty much a huge mix myself. We have done extensive research into my family ancestory and just when we think we are done we find something new. Of course on the black side of my family we can only go so far.

From what we know on both sides of my family my ancestory consist of.
Scottish
Irish
British
Mongolian (this blew my mind:eek: )
Cuban
Native American (Hopi and Sioux)
Portuguese
African American (Its impossible to tell what part of Africa we came from)
German

This is just what we know so far i love being so diverse might explain why i had blonde hair, blue eyes and tan skin when i was born lol. My sister is half black and half german and we have many other mixed children in my family.

I wish good luck and im sure you will be a great mom. :)

Ronin4hire 02-26-2009 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by werkz (Post 679255)
I too am a mix of different nationalities, but as of a few days ago more than i thought. My mother is Korean and my father is Mexican so its a strange mix of the bat already. I was having a conversation with my mother a few days ago about my family's ancestry. Turns out that i am also part Japanese and possibly Chinese. It blew my mind to find this out. She said that this happened to our family when Korea was under Japanese rule. I guess that this may have happened a lot during this time but i am not sure about that history ( It has sparked my interest on that subject though).

I wonder how people of mixed nationalities are accepted in Japanese society.

Interesting... My Caucasian ancestry hails from many parts of Europe... but I personally don't claim my Irish/Welsh/English/Scottish/Norweigen/French Swiss ancestry because we're talking so long ago that it's irrelevant. Instead I identify my Caucasian side as Pakeha (White New Zealander, usually descended from British but sometimes Dutch or other European nations) I mean I might as well claim my African ancestry since I'm human. But yeah it is interesting to learn about your geneology.

As for people of mixed nationalities in Japan. I imagine that it's tolerated.

( I think you mean ethnicities, nations are something you are a part of based on what connection you have to it not part of what make up you as a whole, therefore you can have 2 or more nationalities but are 1/2 1/4 1/8 etc when it comes to ethnicity ) :D

werkz 02-27-2009 12:02 AM

how far back can one say to be a certain ethnicity. speaking generations. 3 or 4 generations back or only direct parents? I learned it was my grandfather who was half Japanese but strictly wants to be known as Korean. I still consider myself Korean/Mexican primarily as i am not sure if I can claim to be Japanese.

Its good to hear that in japan its tolerated.

Ronin4hire 02-27-2009 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by werkz (Post 679260)
how far back can one say to be a certain ethnicity. speaking generations. 3 or 4 generations back or only direct parents? I learned it was my grandfather who was half Japanese but strictly wants to be known as Korean. I still consider myself Korean/Mexican primarily as i am not sure if I can claim to be Japanese.

Its good to hear that in japan its tolerated.

I guess as long as you feel it's relevant and you sincerely identify with a certain ethnicity or nationality then it's your right to claim it. :)

werkz 02-27-2009 12:26 AM

Its not so much the relevancy of it, its just helps me understand my ancestry =D. It really puts a new spin on that whole "Korea doesn't like Japan and vice versa" thing for me though.

Anyone else have experience with mixed race children or being mixed themselves?

Ronin4hire 02-27-2009 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by werkz (Post 679263)
Its not so much the relevancy of it, its just helps me understand my ancestry =D. It really puts a new spin on that whole "Korea doesn't like Japan and vice versa" thing for me though.

aaah.. gotcha

Yeah it is interesting to learn :)

alanX 02-27-2009 12:48 AM

I see mixed raced kids all the time in school. And I'm dating a Japanese woman. No kids though :-/

Nyororin 02-27-2009 04:32 AM

Erm, I`m Caucasian and have been married to a Japanese man for 8 years now... And we have a son who is half.

What is it you specifically want to know?

alanX 02-27-2009 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 679358)
Erm, I`m Caucasian and have been married to a Japanese man for 8 years now... And we have a son who is half.

What is it you specifically want to know?

Ahhhh that's so cute! I hope that happens to me me soon. Except...you know, the other way around.

Congratulations on 8 years, by the way. That's incredible:vsign:

Nyororin 02-27-2009 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by alanX (Post 679361)
Congratulations on 8 years, by the way. That's incredible:vsign:

Really? I was sort of under the impression that marriage was supposed to be a lifetime commitment...

Thank you for the congratulations though. We`re in our 9th year now.

alanX 02-27-2009 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 679395)
Really? I was sort of under the impression that marriage was supposed to be a lifetime commitment...

Thank you for the congratulations though. We`re in our 9th year now.

That's exactly what it's supposed to be. But unfortunately it's drifted away from that.

UsagiSarah 02-28-2009 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 679358)
Erm, I`m Caucasian and have been married to a Japanese man for 8 years now... And we have a son who is half.

What is it you specifically want to know?



ooh wow! thats great to hear! awww i bet he looks so cute! what is his name??? do you live in Japan??

UsagiSarah 02-28-2009 05:04 AM

I am so glad to see people having interest and chatting so nicely in my topic! haha it is exciting.

Nyororin 02-28-2009 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UsagiSarah (Post 679664)
ooh wow! thats great to hear! awww i bet he looks so cute! what is his name??? do you live in Japan??

Cuteness is subjective, and not something I can really comment on.

His name is Motoki.

And yes, we live in Japan.

I hate to sound cold, but your post sounds like you want something cute - not a child. Have a baby because you want to have and raise a child, not because you think it would be so cute... Babies are babies and children are children - whether you think they`re cute or not. Be very careful, as I think you`ll find even more cold responses from other parents of mixed race children in Japan as it is REALLY irritating to have no one look at your child as a person - instead seeing them as a display of cuteness and that alone.

SSJup81 02-28-2009 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 679670)
Cuteness is subjective, and not something I can really comment on.

His name is Motoki.

And yes, we live in Japan.

I hate to sound cold, but your post sounds like you want something cute - not a child. Have a baby because you want to have and raise a child, not because you think it would be so cute... Babies are babies and children are children - whether you think they`re cute or not. Be very careful, as I think you`ll find even more cold responses from other parents of mixed race children in Japan as it is REALLY irritating to have no one look at your child as a person - instead seeing them as a display of cuteness and that alone.

Mix or no mix, your son is adorable. He's huggable, imo, but for me, I tend to feel that way about most kids in general...or maybe it's the whole "I wouldn't mind a child, but given my age now, I don't think I would want to raise one." I always told myself if I didn't have children by the age of 30 or in a position to financially (emotionally, I know I'm ready for them), then I just won't have them at all. I'm going on 28 this year.

angelbott 02-28-2009 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 679670)
Cuteness is subjective, and not something I can really comment on.

His name is Motoki.

And yes, we live in Japan.

I hate to sound cold, but your post sounds like you want something cute - not a child. Have a baby because you want to have and raise a child, not because you think it would be so cute... Babies are babies and children are children - whether you think they`re cute or not. Be very careful, as I think you`ll find even more cold responses from other parents of mixed race children in Japan as it is REALLY irritating to have no one look at your child as a person - instead seeing them as a display of cuteness and that alone.

Yeah I agree with you. ^^ I agree.

burkhartdesu 02-28-2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 679701)
Children are cute, just not until they're about 3 and a half or 4 or so. Before that, they're just disgusting. I hate them.

I got a Thai wife, I am Anglo-Saxon. She is a real bitch, but our marriage is strong. I agree with Nyorin again, that marriage is a forever thing, even if she is a bitch.

She was pregnant at one stage. But it miscarriaged at 4 months. I figured it was probably because she is more like a monkey, and less evolutionarily advanced, and it is just difficult for the baby to survive. Like trying to breed cats with lions; only works sometimes and the baby is a real freak every time.

Anyway, we'll try for another mongrel, certainly. I am also thinking of adoption, on top of breeding. As that way I can have a kid of my own for the sake of passing on my genes, and then another, which I can get at the age of 4 or so, just past the disgusting age, and make sure they ARE cute, and not an ugly one.

This post was extremely disturbing.


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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 679701)
She was pregnant at one stage. But it miscarriaged at 4 months. I figured it was probably because she is more like a monkey, and less evolutionarily advanced, and it is just difficult for the baby to survive. Like trying to breed cats with lions; only works sometimes and the baby is a real freak every time.

What the hell does that mean? Am I crazy or is that just racist? :exballoon:

iPhantom 02-28-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 679670)
Cuteness is subjective, and not something I can really comment on.

His name is Motoki.

And yes, we live in Japan.

I hate to sound cold, but your post sounds like you want something cute - not a child. Have a baby because you want to have and raise a child, not because you think it would be so cute... Babies are babies and children are children - whether you think they`re cute or not. Be very careful, as I think you`ll find even more cold responses from other parents of mixed race children in Japan as it is REALLY irritating to have no one look at your child as a person - instead seeing them as a display of cuteness and that alone.

Everybody WANTS to have cute children, I've noticed when girls get pregnant they fantasize of their kids being cute and whatsoever. Tell me a parent who doesn't wish to have a cute child.

She doesn't want 'something' cute, but a cute child. Why did the 'cute' part bother you?

Nyororin 03-01-2009 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by iPhantom (Post 679824)
Everybody WANTS to have cute children, I've noticed when girls get pregnant they fantasize of their kids being cute and whatsoever. Tell me a parent who doesn't wish to have a cute child.

She doesn't want 'something' cute, but a cute child. Why did the 'cute' part bother you?

Because she is basing the "cuteness" factor on race. Everyone wants cute children, but not everyone goes around talking about how very cute kids must be because they`re of a specific racial background.

Chances are, if you don`t live in Japan, you won`t get the sheer exasperation behind this. In Japan, "half" equals "cute". Which is fine to an extent, I guess, until it starts getting in the way of normal life. ie. People forgive ANYTHING your child does instead of properly responding and scolding because "Aww, they`re so cute! I wish I had a half child!" (Of course, all the while scolding the other kids.) Or... Instead of praising something your kids does, they just respond with "That`s so CUTE!!" and never actually look at anything else...
Or when you go out somewhere, having people stop in their tracks and point while giggling "Look! It`s so cute!!!" and taking pictures without asking you, etc.

Imagine that on a daily basis. My son is no cuter than other children. It`s a RACIAL thing - based only on the fact that he is half something other than Japanese, which is why it bothers me.

cridgit001 03-01-2009 04:04 AM

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Nyororin 03-01-2009 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by cridgit001 (Post 679911)
I find genetics pretty interesting(this doesn't mean I study it by any stretch of the imagination) and I'm curious, which traits are stronger such as facial features? I guess what I'm asking is that do your children have stronger asian complextion or of your own race?

I only have one child, but here is a pic you can judge by. It`s from the end of summer, but he doesn`t really look all that much different now.


There is no "rule" when it comes to which traits will be stronger other than the general rule that "darker" coloration is usually the dominant gene. Most mixed kids I have seen have black hair, brown eyes, and more Asian features. My son has the same color of hair as I do, but brown eyes while I have hazel. His coloring falls between mine and his father`s.

MMM 03-01-2009 05:21 AM

Although I don't feel 100% comfortable with the premise of the original post, thank you for sharing Motoki's pic, Nyororin. He is a handsome little dude.

I taught a high school boy who had a Caucasian mother (American) and Korean father. To me he looked like a black-haired American boy, but his mother told me that before he hit puberty he looked 100% Korean, and most people were surprised when they found out he had an American mother. She said he was unrecognizable from his youngest pictures, and from the age of 12-15 his face transformed remarkably as he grew. I don't know if this phenomenon is common or not.

cridgit001 03-01-2009 05:29 AM

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MMM 03-01-2009 05:44 AM

Doesn't sound shady to me. It's a sensitive topic, but I think you responded perfectly appropriately. That is interesting that your friend's skin changed tone at puberty.

Kayci 03-01-2009 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 679916)

There is no "rule" when it comes to which traits will be stronger other than the general rule that "darker" coloration is usually the dominant gene. Most mixed kids I have seen have black hair, brown eyes, and more Asian features. My son has the same color of hair as I do, but brown eyes while I have hazel. His coloring falls between mine and his father`s.


If I can sound like an idiot for one moment;

Your son looks SO much like a male version of my friend it's scary. she makes that EXACT facial expression, only most likely with different emotions.
He's adorable, but I'm the crazy person who loves all kids so...>_>

Nyororin 03-02-2009 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 680162)
Of course, Nyororins *word for smallest member of family* looks very Asian. What is the bet you yourself have black hair or very dark brown, Nyororin?

Yes, I do have dark brown hair...

However, my son pretty much always ends up being the LEAST Asian looking out of any group of mixed kids we encounter - so I definitely wouldn`t say he is a good example of looking very Asian.
In most situations, no one guesses that he is mixed at all - always assuming that his father is also Caucasian.

Ronin4hire 03-02-2009 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Tenchu (Post 680162)
I don't really care much about race anymore, anyway. I mean, I was never racist, but sometimes you wonder if you arn't destroying something grander than yourself when breeding with a different race, because both races would eventually die out if the trend continues. But I figured that is the way of evolution and of life; all things are doomed to die or change, anyway. So I am gunna make a whole bunch of mongrel kids in my life!

Just to put your mind at ease. Race is nothing but a social construct. It has no biological basis.

Breeding outside your own race would not result in any lack of "purity" as you imply.

PhDP 03-02-2009 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ronin4hire (Post 680187)
Race is nothing but a social construct. It has no biological basis.

Breeding outside your own race would not result in any lack of "purity" as you imply.

Your first point is, in my opinion, true, but not all scientists would agree. In truth, words such as "race" and "ethnic group" are quite ambiguous in the first place. But it is certainly true that "blacks" and "white" are social construct and have little to do with race.

The second point is wrong, if you mate with someone of another ethnic group, your kid will be less pure. If you want purity, mate with your sister/brother/cousin. Of course, your child is much more likely to be disabled. In genetics "pure" and "weak" are synonyms. We even have a word; heterosis (or hybrid vigor) to explain why kids of genetically-distant individuals are stronger.

burkhartdesu 03-02-2009 05:06 PM

As bad as this analogy is, when dogs are 'mixed breeds' they are genetically superior to pure-breeds because they are less susceptible to disease...


So who's to say what's pure? This thread is ridiculous.

Nyororin 03-02-2009 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 680287)
As bad as this analogy is, when dogs are 'mixed breeds' they are genetically superior to pure-breeds because they are less susceptible to disease...

It certainly didn`t make things worse in our case. Not too many children around who were born <1lb... Let alone actually be normal enough to walk, talk, and attend school.

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So who's to say what's pure? This thread is ridiculous.
Even though I can`t say the original idea for the thread was all that great, I don`t think the intent was to talk about racial purity or the lack of it.

Sinestra 03-02-2009 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by burkhartdesu (Post 680287)
As bad as this analogy is, when dogs are 'mixed breeds' they are genetically superior to pure-breeds because they are less susceptible to disease...


I do understand what you were trying to say but you could have been a tad bit more tactful about it.

Instead of using dogs you could have said um lets see.......studies have shown that children of mixed heritage tend to be resident to more diseases and that their overall genetic make up can be considered superior (although i dont really like that phrase). But you original basis is actually correct there are numerous scientist that do agree pure=weak.

anyway this does not really have anything to do with the original post at hand so i guess we should get back on topic.

Nyororin you have a very handsome little boy. His complexion is similar to my sisters who is half black and half German but her complexion is almost identical to your sons. My complexion changed as i got older and so did my hair i had blond hair and a much lighter complexion when i was a child.

burkhartdesu 03-02-2009 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sinestra (Post 680304)
I do understand what you were trying to say but you could have been a tad bit more tactful about it.

Well thanks, but I was far more tactful than Tenchu- who calls mixed-race children "mongrols". :rolleyes:

It was just a comparison... If you think I was referring to children as dogs you missed the whole point.

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Originally Posted by Nyororin (Post 680292)
It certainly didn`t make things worse in our case. Not too many children around who were born <1lb... Let alone actually be normal enough to walk, talk, and attend school.

I'm not sure I understand this- was your son born underweight?


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