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TalnSG 06-14-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 514500)
That's a whole 'nother story I don't want to get into, but things like water-boarding, warrentless wiretapping, protection for telecoms for giving our personal phone records to the government, telling the press to "watch what they say", an AG who says Habeas Corpus is not protected under the Constituion (the right to face your accuser and not be held without reason), the proposed National ID, which several states are protest, and this administration is telling the states to comply or residents of those states won't be able to board airplanes, "data-mining" of our financial records, the new power to strip an American of his citizenship if he is determined to be a terror suspect,

the list goes on and on.

There is your proof, AOL. Now look up the legalo history of Halliburton for another library full of bribery and other illegalities.

Thank-you, MMM. I think its time AmericanOtakuLee did a some personal research instead of us wasting our time trying to educate a thoroughly closed mind.

AmericanOtakuLee 06-14-2008 09:44 PM

lol you do not know a clintion then hillary has no intention of playing second fiddle to obama. Hillary only wants whats best for hillary not the dnc and sure as hell not for the usa. She has been wanting to be president since college and if she waits to after 2012 she will be to old to run or that is how she sees it. Oh she playing cool now but be assured her private investigators are digging in closest and trashcans waiting for the right moment.

AmericanOtakuLee 06-14-2008 09:53 PM

Bush has no authority to take away Habeas Corpus so that is mute. Though the Consutition only cover Americans and does not apply outside of America boarders. And bush has never spied on my phone calls or yours for that matter.
And my mind is not closed.

MMM 06-14-2008 09:53 PM

Of course not, that's why he is not going to ask her to be his running mate.

TalnSG, I agree. It's time of AOL to do his own research...

MMM 06-14-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee (Post 514514)
Bush has no authority to take away Habeas Corpus so that is mute. Though the Consutition only cover Americans and does not apply outside of America boarders. And bush has never spied on my phone calls or yours for that matter.
And my mind is not closed.

Then why did his Attorney General express specifically that Habeas Corpus is not covered by the constitution? This is in testimony to Congress. That's where he got the idea.

How do you know the government has not spied on our phone calls? If they hadn't why did Bush say he would veto a bill that expressly did NOT give the telecoms protection from the invasion of privacy they allowed the government to do already?

AmericanOtakuLee 06-14-2008 09:56 PM

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) got an answer from Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) Tuesday on his proposal for 10 town hall-style debates: Not going to happen. That's too bad - and, the fewer there are, the more Obama should suffer for it politically. Why if obama believes in hope and change wont he jump at this opportunity

MMM 06-14-2008 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee (Post 514514)
Bush has no authority to take away Habeas Corpus so that is mute.

Here's some interesting reading for you:

Bush and Lincoln both Suspended Habeas Corpus

On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush signed a law suspending the right of habeas corpus to persons "determined by the United States" to be an "enemy combatant" in the Global War on Terror. President Bush's action drew severe criticism, mainly for the law's failure to specifically designate who in the United Stateswill determine who is and who is not an "enemy combatant."

MMM 06-14-2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee (Post 514522)
Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) got an answer from Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) Tuesday on his proposal for 10 town hall-style debates: Not going to happen. That's too bad - and, the fewer there are, the more Obama should suffer for it politically. Why if obama believes in hope and change wont he jump at this opportunity

Why does McCain need 10 town-hall style debates? Because he needs 10 oppotunities for free exposure. His campaign can hardly afford to keep up withthe massive grassroots financial support Obama is receiving.

Obama and McCain will be debating, there is no doubt about it. Obama just isn't going to roll and have McCain schedule 10 ADDITIONAL debates for free exposure.

AmericanOtakuLee 06-14-2008 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MMM (Post 514524)
Here's some interesting reading for you:

Bush and Lincoln both Suspended Habeas Corpus

On Oct. 17, 2006, President Bush signed a law suspending the right of habeas corpus to persons "determined by the United States" to be an "enemy combatant" in the Global War on Terror. President Bush's action drew severe criticism, mainly for the law's failure to specifically designate who in the United Stateswill determine who is and who is not an "enemy combatant."

Ok i concede that it was not fully though out of bush not to make a explicit distinction

AmericanOtakuLee 06-14-2008 10:07 PM

and mccain will get all the money he needs when we know for sure who the dnc nominee will be
anyway its pointless to discuss this anymore

MMM 06-14-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AmericanOtakuLee (Post 514530)
and mccain will get all the money he needs when we know for sure who the dnc nominee will be
anyway its pointless to discuss this anymore

Just look at this forum. All the lefties love Obama and all the righties don't like either McCain or Obama.

The same is true in his own home state of Arizona.

He's not broke, but he needs all the free press he can get. That's what his request for 10 (TEN!!!) additional televised debates was about.

Paul11 06-15-2008 02:35 AM

No, his request for fireside chats, not debates, was a ruse. He knows that Obama is a great speaker when he sticks to the script. but when flying solo, he yammers and stammers worse that Pres. Bush. Mccain has been at this a long time, he knows that would be Obama's week point. but if Obama refuses to join more civilized, fireside chat type of debates, then he lokos bad for refusing to usher in a kinder generation of campaigning.

MMM 06-15-2008 03:56 AM

McCain off script is a nightmare. His staff cringes when he goes it on his own. Have you seen the get-up they have for him. Three of those see-thru teleprompters and then TVs in the back of the room with his speeches on them.

Obama didn't say he wouldn't debate, but we don't need a debate every two weeks until November. I will happily watch the debates they are going to have, but I am not going to watch a dozen 90minute debates. There is no point.

McCain knew Obama wouldn't agree to that. Who would? But then he spins it like Obama is playing chicken. Straight-talk express, huh?

Paul11 06-15-2008 04:26 AM

I guess the deal is, that they would even travel together for the events as a show of united american civility. Of course, Mac knew Obi wan Obama would not go. It was just a ploy. But you know, it might have worked. Throw the other guy on the defensive like Obama did to Hillary.

MMM 06-15-2008 04:37 AM

Travel together? I think that's a terrible idea. I would lose respect for both of them if they did a tour together.

Senshi 06-15-2008 04:40 AM

I'm an independent voter, so I chose 'other', but I support Obama. I can only remember a few presidents clearly, and I refuse to support someone who supports many of the current policies. I'd prefer to not vote than do that.

MMM 06-15-2008 06:05 PM

I am not a big fan of not voting. It's the best way to get your voice not heard, as you send the same message as people who don't care. Voting for Mickey Mouse has more meaning.

MMM 06-19-2008 07:01 PM

Oh, in case people didn't keep up. Despite what Dick Cheney and George Will said, China is not drilling for oil 60 miles off the coast of Florida

The appearance, then disappearance, of Red Chinese oil platforms on the Florida coast | Political Insider | ajc.com

This is from the Miami Herald:

”Reports to the contrary are simply false,” Martinez said…“They are akin to urban legends. China drilling off the coast of Cuba only 60 miles from the Keys, that is not taking place… Any talk of using some fabricated Cuba-China connection as an argument to change U.S. policy has no merit.”

But only minutes later, in front of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, Vice President Dick Cheney jumped in with more gasoline for the fire, or at least unrefined light crude:

“Oil is being drilled right now 60 miles off the coast of Florida. But we’re not doing it. The Chinese are, in cooperation with the Cuban government. Even the communists have figured out that a good answer to high prices is more supply.”

Several other Republicans immediately picked up the vice president’s message, including U.S. Rep. John Linder, who wrote this for Tuesday’s editions of the Gwinnett Post:

”Floridians oppose drilling 125 miles off shore for fear of a spill harming their beaches. However, China is drilling 50 miles from Key West on behalf of Cuba, which will then sell the oil to China. Why do we want them to have oil we could have?”

— But also on Tuesday, the following correction appeared at the tail end of a George Will column:

In a previous column, I stated that China, in partnership with Cuba, is drilling for oil 60 miles from the Florida coast. While Cuba has partnered with Chinese companies to drill in the Florida Straits, no Chinese company has been involved in Cuba’s oil exploration that close to the United States.

Cheney’s office, citing the error in the Wills column, had already issued a retraction of the vice president’s statement late last week. “It is our understanding that, although Cuba has leased out exploration blocks 60 miles off the coast of southern Florida, which is closer than American firms are allowed to operate in that area, no Chinese firm is drilling there,” Cheney’s office told the AP.

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