Firstly I would say that if you're getting your facts from one source, (the radio in this case) then you will be even more partial to being swayed by propaganda. It is wiser to obtain facts from a variety of different areas and then make a decision based on that variety. The media as a whole is an unreliable source, nevermind just the radio. You need to also look at recent political history.
If you do this, noone can fault you as much as they did here because to the best of your ability, you've researched your facts and most likely made sound opinions based on them.

Secondly and quite importantly, that link doesn't work.

You miss Thatcher? Why oh why would you do that o.o
I gotta agree about Gordon Brown though. He gets torn a new one at every Prime Ministers question time.
That's not to say I like Cameron any more than him.. They're both pretty damn clueless.

So you're saying that the Democrats who were in the Clinton camp, are backing Obama and are fully behind their party?
I also didn't realise that the Republicans didn't like McCain.

That's a dead link.

I don't get most of my information from any one place.

Mark Levin is a very conservative radio talk show host. He supported Fred Thompson and then Mitt Romney. Like Rush, he is anti-McCain.

He is not a news source, he is a very conservative radio show host. If that is the source of most of your information than it is no wonder your information is so skewed. Is he the one that said Bush is OK because he isn't as bad as Hitler?

I am basing that on the obinions represented in this thread.

The people that support Obama actually support Obama.

The people that support McCain, more often than not, see him as "the lesser of two evils".

I know that's not scientific, but a few months ago conservative talk-show hosts were very anti-McCain. Rush Limbaugh said he would vote for Hillary before voting for McCain. Now some Hillary supporters say they will vote for McCain before voting for Obama.

I think both are bluffing.

The scary part is people are falling all over obama just cause the way he speaks and is able flawlessly lie. And anybody dare to qestion the God Obama is somehow a racist. If you remeber Hitler was a great orator and could bring droves of people. the common theme of the obama campaign is victimhood and blaming bush for stuff he can not control. Bush has been blamed for katrina as well as the mythical global warming.

Continuing to compare Obama to Hitler is bad enough, but this?

Pretty easy to see how delusional you really are.

How am i delusional? Why exactly should i back Obama and not Mccain???

Like I told you before, start coming to the table with some facts, not just hyper-conservative talking points.

You know what happens when you start talking about Hitler?
People stop taking you seriously.

i was not talking to you i was talking to Nathan. I was not comparing obama to hitler either. defeine hyper conserative!!!

I highlighted the words sir. Your posts in general don't come across as well-thought out, your last just sealed the deal:

Mythical global warming

It's not a myth sir. Its very much a real issue. But I guess science doesn't apply in your little world.

No one said you should back anybody. Just do a little research and you'll come to your own answers. I worry that you come to conclusions with absolutely no basis.

Why do you think Obama is a liar?

Who said not supporting Obama makes you racist?

Why does being a great orator make you Hitler?

The common theme of Obama's campaign is victimhood? I have listened to many of his speeches, and I never remember hearing him use the word "victim". If anything his speeches are hopeful and inspirational. For some reason that is offensive to very conservative ears. I find McCain's speeches the opposite of inspirational.

Bush blamed for Katrina?

Stop talking stupid. Seriously.

If you want to talk to Nathan then PM him.

You said

If you remeber Hitler was a great orator and could bring droves of people.

That is you comparing Obama to Hitler. That is one of the hyper-conservative talking points.

Hyper-conservatives are like several of the people on this forum that have spouted anti-Obama talking points that are only meant to stir emotions and that are based nowhere in reality.

It's shameless bullshitting, and doesn't belong in any intelligent discussion.

Well if you would listen to the people like al sharpton who frame the issue as white vs black. America was Founded on Individuals not collectives. And only Individuals can make their lives better. Obama seems to think the answer to make govenment bigger which leads to things being done efficently. If you want change get the govenment out of our lives.

Nathan explain how man can cause global waming also explain why not even all the scientiest agree on the issue. Oh by the way explain how all of the people saying global warming is real do not get rid of all of their Suvs/Limos and Huge Houses. Al gore for example still makes money on the families oil stock.

Find me a quote where Al Sharpton said not supporting Obama means you are racist.

Where has Obama said he wants to make government bigger? To be honest, I am not sure how it could get any bigger than it has under George W.

Come with some facts.

Pardon the implication, but you are saying all the points the conservatives feed uneduated people to vote Republican. None of it is based in fact. It's all hyperbole. Close your eyes and listen to what he is actually saying.

Not all "scientists" agree that the world is round, so if requiring all scientists (or religious leaders, or politicians, or professors, or anyone) to agree on something to make it a fact, then nothng is true.

People are selling their SUVs by the thousands. There are long waiting lists to buy hybrids...they can't make them fast enough.

AmericanOtakuLee, have you ever taken a plane and flown into LAX? When you see the color of the air from 30,000 feet looking down on the surface of the city, there is little doubt man is more than a simple traveller on this planet.

i hate to tell you but a republican is not a conserative, Mccain is not a conserative. Obama wants to raise the death Tax and Captial Gains, he thinks their shold be limits on successful people can be. Increase taxs on oil companies in with the idea it will lower gas prices. I can explain my self better talking to a person better then typing.

MMM i do not care if thosands are selling their suvs thats their right. I do however care when somebody tells me i have to change my lifestyle to suit the same people who fly where ver they want in their private plans and ride in Limos.

the US is the most enviromentally friendly country their is today. Even bill clintion vetoed the flawed scam called the kyoto treaty which by is very nature is illeagle and un constutitional not to mention the countries that have signed the treaty are not even to my understanding able to abide it. And when countries like china/india and russia sign on to the kyoto treaty and get their countries clean then we can talk. Americans recycle more out of free will then other countries do by goverment decree

Because, unfortunately, some scientists that are being employed by major pollution emitters are paid specifically to try and disprove reality. Much in the same way cigarettes were doctor-approved back in the 1940s.

Its easy to say global warming is real, its entirely another thing to do something about it. People are comfortable with their lives as it currently stands, and some take the stance of "I won't be around in 100 years to see the after effects, who cares?" Or some people simply can't afford to get rid of their old equipment. Just because they live in a big house now doesn't mean they are rolling in cash sir. They may be just making enough to pay the mortgage as is, and can't afford to be making payments on yet more items.

I didn't say Republican. I said conservative. Generally they are the same thing, but as you said, conservatives do not like John McCain. They do not support the Republican candidate. I am reminded of that every day here.

Obama will raise the capital gains tax for those individuals making over $250,000 a year. McCain supports making the corporate tax cuts President Bush put into play permanent. His theory is that tax breaks to corporations stimulate the economy. Well, that's what Bush is doing now, and take a look at how the economy is going.

Where are you getting that Obama wants to raise the "death tax"?

Generally they are not the same a republican generally claims to be conserative to get votes then becomses moderate/liberal. Mccain while claiming to be conserative has backed the Illeagle Camoaign Fianannice reform which stiffle freespeech and also backed illeagle immigration. Conseratives Believe not in govenrment but inividuals make America great.

but the people i refer are rolling in cash and marely pay lip service to keeping the enviroment clean. Also how does the EarthFirst crowd buring a lot of suvs keep the planent clean. You would find that people who are demonized do more to help keep the earth clean the people doing the demonizing.

Just because no one has thought up a smart solution yet doesn't mean its a non-issue.

I'll admit there are plenty of "earth-saving ideas" that are complete bollocks.

The people that pay lip service are the ones I was referring to that simply don't care because they won't be around to see the major side-effects.

It's far easier to sit on the side-lines, point fingers, and shout names than to actually do something, which is why the vast majority of people are activists in name only.

I myself am prone to waste, I'll admit it. I try to conserve when I can, but I don't go way out of my way to do so like some extremists. I simply can't afford that to do so at this stage in my life. Maybe once I'm a bit more settled.

Define Extreamist. Maybe they do that to rebel in what they rightfully fill is infringing in their constutitional right to be free. And name me a person who pushes global warming who actually does what he says.

Al Gore. He uses 100% green power through Project Green Switch.

How about you answer a couple of the questions posed at you.

1)Find me a quote where Al Sharpton said not supporting Obama means you are racist.

2)Where has Obama said he wants to make government bigger? To be honest, I am not sure how it could get any bigger than it has under George W.

3) Where are you getting that Obama wants to raise the "death tax"?

4) How does making you a good speaker make you comparable to Hitler?

Tax Reform: 2008 contenders' views
Obama's capital gains tax is a tax on economic growth
Under Pressure from CNN, Obama Admits Wanting to Raise Taxes | NewsBusters.org


Under Bill Clinton, rich people didn't feel oppressed. (Apr 2008)
No tax increase if earning under $250K; tax cuts under $75K. (Apr 2008)
Raise capital gains tax for fairness, not for revenue. (Apr 2008)
Tax cut for seniors and those making $75,000 a year or less. (Feb 2008)
I'm not bashful about it: wealthy will pay more taxes. (Jan 2008)
Stimulus package: $500 tax cut, & Social Security supplement. (Jan 2008)
Restore progressive tax; close loopholes; relief to seniors. (Oct 2007)
Trillion dollar giveaway: the Paris Hilton Tax Break. (Oct 2007)
Reduce Bush tax cuts to pay for health care & other programs. (Jun 2007)
Estate tax only affects the wealthiest 1/2 of 1%. (Oct 2006)
Specific tax relief for families making $75,000 or less now. (Jan 2006)
Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class. (Jun 2004)
Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore. (Jun 2004)
Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)

I see you have his tax record below. Did you bother to read it?

That's not news, that's a right-wing blog post. Here's what Obama says about it:

“As we make these changes, we'll be sure to encourage growth and innovation. So we'll exempt start-up companies and small businesses from capital gains to give them an added boost. Because when more Americans tap that well of opportunity, all of us are better off.”


Know what spin is? That's is spin. He did not "admit" he "wants" to "raise taxes".

Here is what he said: "Well, I think that there's no doubt that letting the Bush tax cuts on the top 1 percent lapse would not have, I think, a significant impact on the economy, but would bolster our fiscal situation,"

He said he wants get rid of the tax breaks for the top 1% that Bush put in.


Are you trying to make my point for me?


No tax increase if earning under $250K; tax cuts under $75K. (Apr 2008)
sounds good to me.


Raise capital gains tax for fairness, not for revenue. (Apr 2008)
sounds good to me.

Tax cut for seniors and those making $75,000 a year or less. (Feb 2008)
sounds good to me.

I'm not bashful about it: wealthy will pay more taxes. (Jan 2008)
sounds good to me.

Stimulus package: $500 tax cut, & Social Security supplement. (Jan 2008)
sounds good to me.

Restore progressive tax; close loopholes; relief to seniors. (Oct 2007)
sounds good to me.

Trillion dollar giveaway: the Paris Hilton Tax Break. (Oct 2007)
I don't know what this means. Can you explain?

Reduce Bush tax cuts to pay for health care & other programs. (Jun 2007)
sounds good to me.

Estate tax only affects the wealthiest 1/2 of 1%. (Oct 2006)
sounds good to me.

Specific tax relief for families making $75,000 or less now. (Jan 2006)
sounds good to me.

Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class. (Jun 2004)
Then we should follow Obama's ideas and eliminate them.

Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore. (Jun 2004)
sounds good to me.

Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
especially to the super-rich. That's the one McCain wants to make permanent (know how much his wife is worth?)

Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
What does this mean? Can you explain?

Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
What does this mean? Can you explain?

Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
sounds good to me.

Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
I don't agree with this one.

Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
sounds good to me.

Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
sounds good to me.

Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)
sounds good to me.


Thanks for finding that.

rightwing lol now thats spin their is no such thing as the right wing
so its aok to rob peter to pay paul??? prgressive a code word for socialism or opression of the successful

An unlimited power to tax involves, necessarily, a power to destroy; because there is a limit beyond which no institution and no property can bear taxation.
John Marshall, McCullough v. Maryland, 1819

You've got a great spin there. I am sure some are convinced.

Feel free to get to these when you have a chance:

1)Find me a quote where Al Sharpton said not supporting Obama means you are racist.

2)Where has Obama said he wants to make government bigger? To be honest, I am not sure how it could get any bigger than it has under George W.

3) Where are you getting that Obama wants to raise the "death tax"?

4) How does making you a good speaker make you comparable to Hitler?

Its not being a good speaker makes you hitler. Its the idea speaking flawlessly and saying what everybody wants to hear should be the only qualification. And i could not find a direct qoute from al sharpton but that what i got from his tone when i have seen him speaking. By the way the up coming supreme court ruling will have a effect on this election. And this thread assume hillary is out of the race which is interesting cause she never released her delegates to obama but marely suspended her campaign

If Obama simply said what people wanted to hear, he wouldn't have gotten where he has gotten.

I cannot comment further on something Al Sharpton didn't say.

You can hold your breath for Hillary's comeback, but I am going to go forward with Obama and McCain as the two candidates.

True, even I don't think he is as bad as come of those comparisons, but compared to others quaolified for the presidency, he might as well be. And after experiencing his disregard for U.S. Constitutional law and mores, I ahted to think what he would be capable of without the boundaries he has been forced to work within.

May the best man win and hopefully it will be the Person who backs freedom Mccain

If McCain's definition of freedom is anything like Bush's, then gimme Obama.

whats wrong with bush's defination of freedom????????

No, just bigoted, racist, and disrespectful of US laws.
Getting our troops out of Iraq is not endorsing or supporting Sharia law anywhere.
The relationship with Israel needs revision badly. Japan will not alter its relationship based on a single government official. That is just not how politics and business work - not here or there.
I seriously doubt that you are forming that inexplicable comparison based on first hand experience - like some of us.
Ye they will support WHOEVER is elected Commader in Chief. But even before that I know many military who do not like McCain any more than Obama
Name calling is the last resort of the ignorant.
Colorado has had effective gun control laws since the 1950s without problems. Maybe we need the national ones improved.That is completely irrelevant to electing a US president. Just like our wishes should have no bearing on what Castro and the Kenneset do.

TainSG Bush is not bigoted and neither Ignroenent unless you can prove otherwise. And Israel will not surrender they will never allow another holoacust to happen they will win by any means neccasry. Obama plans scap the tactical missile shield even though other Nato Allies have money invested in it. Cubans will vote for McCain over obama. And what US laws has bush violated provide proof.

So because she did not say "I release my delegates" you are going to ignore her directly expressed wishes?

That's a whole 'nother story I don't want to get into, but things like water-boarding, warrentless wiretapping, protection for telecoms for giving our personal phone records to the government, telling the press to "watch what they say", an AG who says Habeas Corpus is not protected under the Constituion (the right to face your accuser and not be held without reason), the proposed National ID, which several states are protest, and this administration is telling the states to comply or residents of those states won't be able to board airplanes, "data-mining" of our financial records, the new power to strip an American of his citizenship if he is determined to be a terror suspect,

the list goes on and on.

I don't believe I said he was ignorant. I implied someone else was.
He is a bigot. Ask any Texan who know his past. Or read the news clippings from when he refused to send assistance when a fundamentalist pastor in Killeen, TX attacked a group of pagan worshipers. I will not do your research for you. If you are so brillant that is enough information for you to find the facts yourself. I am speaking from first-hand, personal experience, unlike you.