Do people have the right...
 

It's all subjective to that person, regardless of those who listen feel it's correct or not.

I think sometimes people can be extremely ungrateful for what they have. I don't think that attribute is only something teenagers have - I don't want to talk about the age of someone in this because personally I feel it's irrelevant.

We are lucky we are able to be educated. As much as I used to hate school, I was grateful I had that right to education. Some days I did feel low. I was bullied a lot at school, and as a result I had no self-esteem for a long time. However, I was still grateful, even though some days were tough.

Some people look at things differently to others. Something that may be nothing to someone else, may be a serious issue for another person. Sometimes, it's just plain selfishness and ungratefulness, and I don't doubt people like that exist for a second. But I try not to be judgmental, because peoples problems can run deeper than they appear on the outside.

I don't think we have the right to judge if someone is allowed to be depressed. Ungratefulness frustrates me terribly, but depression is not something anybody chooses. A teen saying 'school is shit,' is not depression really.

I think being grateful for what you have is the key to being a happy person. Despite things being bad, you can see the good things you have and move on. Suicide is very devastating for a family to deal with. But it's not something done lightly, and very rarely committed for no apparent reason. How bad things are for people are up to themselves.

Well that's the problem. Everyone has the "choice" to do what they want.

Rights are imbued by people in power. I think as far as that definiton goes, most societies give "rights" to a person to feel what they must.

In this day and age people in our society have more "rights" than ever before.
However in having these rights, I think there is less freedom because those "rights" require paperwork. At the end of the day, "rights" are a way for people in power to define what choices are allowed or not.

What a person does or feels in their own privacy, is left largely down to them.
So unless it effects someone else, they have every right to be depressed and be a brat, if they want to be. Hell sometimes it may even be justified.
Its then up to that person to want to be different or to feel different. If they don't, they will just dig themselves a hole and have a bad life in the long run.
That ultimately is their test.

When it comes down to suicide, that of course shouldn't be the right of anyone but its very hard for anyone enforcing the law to stop someone if they want to kill themselves.
As far as Euthanasia is concerned, I don't know if it should be allowed simply because throwing your life away in such a situation leads a bad example. Where do you draw the line then to when and how someone can kill themselves?

Anyway as it can be seen, the questions you've asked are more complicated and cover more issues than just the one of having rights.

Age is relative, most teens, do to hormonal related problems, which can be aggravated by the environment they live in, they don't get what's the point of living (I don't know either, but trying to find it is part of the game, so I'm gonna keep playing it) and just chose to end it, because they can't take a little pressure, because they passed there childhood doing nothing and know a small problem appears and they freak out.
As for depression, everybody is intituled to have them once in a while and I won't blame them, you don't choice when it's going to happen, as long as they don't fuck things up for another person.

I don't agree. I think if the person wants to die, that is their choice. But that just depends on your beliefs. The law and some religions say it's wrong to take your own life, but I think that choice should be yours and yours alone.

I knew you'd have a problem with that. :rolleyes:

You didn't respond to my question about where the line should be drawn. Is there a pain-o-meter reading that a doctor can make a judgement on to let a patient die? Should only people who are terminally ill and in pain be allowed to die? Do you kill kids in the same position or do you give them the best chance to live, despite the pain they might be feeling?
As much as I sympathise with people who are in pain and want it to end, it just doesn't set a good example and opens up an icky can of worms.
I think it would also lead to less medical discoveries in how to stop the pain and cure people, if suddenly Euthanasia became widespread and accepted by the world.

In my opinion the line shouldn't be drawn. If a person wants to die, then I believe that's their choice. If they are going to kill themselves then I don't believe it's my place (or anyone else but themselves) to tell them not to. That's what I mean.

I never said it wasn't selfish. I agree it's wholly selfish. My uncle committed suicide and even though he was deeply unhappy he still left all his family behind.

Ok then I believe that is absolutely wrong. It heightens the problems I stated in my previous thread, dramatically.

Therefore I will play the "agree to disagree" card.

That's fair enough. It's not really something that can be debated, moreover it's just down to your own personal beliefs which I totally respect.

i think it's just a peoples personality to be "depressed" and commit suicide.
If people only took a second to see and realize that there are in fact people out there getting killed, raped, dying of disease and took a really hard look at their lives they'd realize that their life isn't so bad
this is why pessimism is such a bad thing.
yes kids are brats
but we have the choice of taking the easy way out (suicide), or we can battle through and know that things can and will get better.
......or i'm just a stupid optimist who wishes all people were like this
lol
^_^

I think its not a personality trait. Everyone has the potential to be depressed and even commit suicide. You just gotta break the cycle.
Its not easy to look at something else and realise stuff so easily either. For example if you're in pain, is it easy to concentrate on something else and forget the pain?
I think the attitudes of people do nothing to help people who are in real need of help. As for those who are Drama Queens, well, then what you said entirely applies to them. :D
Besides, its good to be an optimist like yourself. :)

If someones wants to be a selfish like that.
Let them.

There's so little you can do to these people to make them sway away from those sort of feelings.

It's all on them.
It's nobody's loss but theirs.

You may not choose your own path at times but you sure as hell have the choice of accepting it or not.
Life is presented and judged in the eyes of the beholder.
If you someone is to blind to see what they have, then they have nothing.
Nothing at all.

i just think it's so much easier for people to focus on all the bad in their life that they don't take a second to look at all the good

well that was a happy, albeit dull, ending.

just to toss in my two cents~

If the bloke wants to off his own head, I say let him do it.
There are going to be consequences of either action (to do or not to do).
If a loved person is suffering but still striving to live, his suffering generally has a tendency to rub off those close to him. And to keep a person from committing suicide is selfish as well.
To just let the man suffer so that you'll be quaint; That's selfish.

Selfish or not, suicide is a choice that people make. I believe that people should be allowed to make their choices.

I understand that laws and rights are necessary, but I don't think they should restrict someone's free will.

I agree.
Sometimes what seems like a minor thing to someone else, may be a more serious thing to you.

However, although I can't say I understand another person's problems completely, when I'm not the one that has to live with them... I can place my judgement in the fact that you are ending your life prematurely.

In that aspect, I can feel that suicide is selfish and disrespectful.

Some people lose their lives when they want to keep it; Some people try to do their best to live after enduring horrible things in their lives.

In addition, Suicide isn't a choice that would effect only you. Ironically, you may be hurting those that love you deeper than any stranger ever could.
If you chose to do it in the public or even in a place that people would discover you, you could scar people's minds with the memories of your lifeless corpse (or what's left of it). And that'd be one of the last impressions you'd make in this world.

There are different kinds of suicide that also need to be considered: Suicide to "gain" something, to protect something and - what I'm talking about - to escape something.

Ultimately, it is their choice whether or not to commit suicide.
... But they can still be judged for making that choice... and they can still be wrong.

that's a very good argument jaydelart
but again
it's one person's choice
whether they choose to se it as selfish or disrespectful

yeah...
i was about to say >.>'''

too many humans =.=

...
that seriously sounded like a bad thing for a moment ._.

we're all killing the planet anyway
a few million people gone won't hurt ne?
^_^

Yep, you're right.
Everything there is still only based on my opinion. :)

a mighty good opinion
I agree with that
:D

well, its all about survival of the fittest and some people seem to have lost that complex.

Lol!

I was trying to avoid saying something like that... But I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks so.

yea..
that could be it too
there are infinite posibbilities here kids
:D

I understand your sentiment behind asking the question, but this is not a matter of rights. It is a condition they are dealing with - whether their reason is justifiable or not, does not, and usually will not, change the fact that that the condition exists.

However, neither has the right to inflict their suffering on others, especially strangers. Their actions should be restrained so that others are not unwittingly and/or unwillingly dragged into the mire of their existence which their own self-centeredness has, in all probability exacerbated.

I dont think people need a right to commit suicide, its more their own choice. Not that I would ever commit suicide for those sorts of things but its a personal decision.


Same thing here, but I think that if they have the main income for a family in a poor financial situation, or something like that, it would be unfair for to their family to do that.

Yes, they do. Suicide is a personal choice.

Yes, they do. Being depressed isn't something you choose but something that falls upon you.

(Disclaimer: the following post may contain misspelled words, grammar errors and typos. I regretfully inform you that I'm horrible at grammar, spelling and forming complete sentences. Please try your best to understand the meaning rather then the grammar of the post)

There are a variety of reasons posited or given for suicide:

Mental disorders
Suffering
Unrequited love
Stress
Grief
Withdrawal or discontinuation of psychoactive substances
As philosophically or ideologically motivated move
To escape punishment or an abusive environment
Guilt or shame
Catastrophic injury
Financial loss
Self sacrifice
As part of a military or social strategy (e.g. suicide attacks)
Belief that life has no inherent value (e.g. absurdism, pessimism, nihilism)
As part of a religious or cult doctrine
Loneliness
To restore honor (e.g. seppuku)
Curiosity for post-life occurrences
Fear of aging
Unresolved sexual issues
Drugs as in the paradoxical effect of some sedatives, or the loss of ones mental state to make clear judgment calls.
Judicial suicide

But seeing how this is a forum for Japan:

Aokigahara in Japan is the second most popular place in the world (behind the golden gate bridge in San Francisco California) to commit suicide.

If a person is under the list above, they can very well be in a position to commit suicide, however, as many have stated, the individual being reserves the right to choose that action it is what makes us alive.

You play a game because you can lose, not because you always win, if you did not have the option to die, there would be no reason to live. God placed us on this earth for a reason, it is up to us to try to find the answer and suicide is not the correct answer, ever. Look at Hellen Keller, and ask yourself, try to do better or give up, she went on to do amazing things later in life, had she taken her own life, we'd not seen the beauty she had inside.

Hellen Keller Story



Peace!:) :vsign:

Indeed, Hellen Keller and thousands of other people.

Once suicide becomes accepted in society, its game over for that society and even humanity.

Defining it like this is really unfair.

Feelings are one of the many things that people have no control over and you can NOT decide whether people have the 'right' or not to commit suicide. That's just stupid. They don't have the ''right'' to commit suicide - they have the choice. When you get far out there to even consider it, then you definitely have your reasons to do so.

So you think if it's okay for people to commit suicide, everyone will do it?

I'm sure most people wouldn't do it, legal or illegal, accepted by society or not accepted by society. Suicide is a personal thing, I really don't think someone on there death bed thinks - wait! Society doesn't accept this! I really don't think those kind of people give a damn, and I really don't think it'd make much of a difference.

It's not what I "think". It's what is quite easily possible.

Maybe you don't understand what i've been saying.

If people on their death bed start thinking its fine, then it could easily move on from there to other things. How would anyone be able to stop it? What argument would you use against teens, gamblers, alcoholics etc who all have every reason to kill themselves because their lives sucked. You're gonna sit there and tell me that's fine?
So yes, it wouldn't make a difference in the short term to people who are dying but it would make a difference to society because once it becomes accepted, you would be an absolute hypocrite to stop anyone else from killing themselves.

Don’t worry mankind has stood the test of time and if suicide was a possible "fateful end of mankind" we'd all not be here right now, humans (thank God) have a built in desire to live, only those that chemically lose control or have that part removed from their brain (accident, gun shot wound, etc) have the capability to commit suicide, plus WHY does it even exist,...

Survival of the fittest.

Again, Helen Keller, even SHE had the desire to live, imagine the crazy world that was in her mind until she figured out how to communicate.

Peace! ;)

Please back this up, or it didn't happen. Yeah, the suicide rate may not be as high as the Americas, but that doesn't mean it's zero. Then again it could be, contrariwise, you still need to back this up.

This is the silliest statement I've read so far. The only time depression isn't a choice is when it's literally become an uncontrollable psychological disorder for the person. Please think about what you're trying to say before you type it out, otherwise you just sound silly.

Take away all the drama of life/death/suicide/dealing with it and you get this: everyone's just trying to live their lives the best way they see fit. They're writing their life story, with their friends and family as characters in it; themselves being the main character. Problems arise when other people think they're important enough to try to live other people's lives for them. Let them do what they will, though strictly personally, I find it a bit foolish to end yourself.

But that's just me.

People that kill themselves are Idiots....

there is no problem in this world that can't either be solved...or that you can't run away from