lol.. Vast majority of cases? You mean you and your friends?

Never mind that women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes aswell... bigger might be better if you have a bigger vagina.. but if you have a small vagina then bigger is going to hurt.

Anyway that's not really what I was getting at. I mean I don't have an issue with what you're saying rather how you're presenting it. You were talking as though this was some sort fact. But really.. it's just your anecdotal argument.

Why do you think the problem is that I think you're talking about everyone? My problem is that YOU AREN'T QUALIFIED to even talk about the "average Asian woman and her opinion".

And Western principles and Asian principles are mostly the same.

Love your parents.
Try your best in life.
Obey the law.
etc. etc.

Where they differ is not in the principles themselves but how they're adhered to.

But you've failed to even explain how this supposed "East West divide" is relevant to the topic. All you've done is mention it that it's there.

Ronin, stereotypes are so for a reason. Tell me most of the women you know wouldn't go for a dick slightly over the average size rather than one that was slightly smaller. There's a reason for that. If you had a woman choose between two identical man the only difference being their penis dimensions, she'd most likely take the one with the larger penis. This is a fact for most of the women I know. You won't have men laughing at how large some other guy's dick is cause it's a virtue rather than something to be embarrassed about, which doesn't happen when it's the other way around.

I've actually had this conversation with some of the women I know/knew which probably forms the basis of my opposition to what you're saying. Some were girlfriends at the time and some were just friends.

Some said that anything over average "was a bit uncomfortable" for them (though even then, many of them had some different ideas about what "average" was) and some said that bigger was better and one even wanted a smaller one (admittedly she was kinda innocent and was a bit squeamish just talking about putting something up there).

You know what I really hate? People telling me what I should want because I`m a woman - and don`t all women want the same things? Sure, you can toss "most" and "majority" in there to cover what you consider rare exceptions, but you`re still saying that as a woman I should want this or that.

I`ve heard the same thing about circumcision - the majority of women would choose a circumcised penis over one that`s not.

It seems that women are constantly bombarded with messages telling them they should choose a bigger guy, they need a bigger guy, etc etc. I am willing to bet that your "choose from a guy with slightly larger vs. slightly smaller" scenario would be true just as much (if not more) with virgins as those with experience. Why? Because we`re told that a bigger dick is better. I am also willing to guess that there are plenty of women out there who don`t like feeling stretched to the point of pain, but who don`t want to admit it because they SHOULD like a bigger guy. (I have personally met more women who fit this category than the ones who want a huge guy.)

Something I find a bit funny... In Japan, you don`t see the type of "It`s so big!" stuff - "It`s so hard!" is the "porno phrase" here. You don`t see size being pushed, nor do you hear from women or men that "bigger is better". It`s not pushed in media - in fact, most of the women`s magazines here emphasize finding a "good fit for you". In a recent survey in one of the more popular ones, average as best got close to 75% of the votes. Everyone I have talked to about it here is stunned at the prevalence of "large for more pleasure" in western media, and can`t understand why anyone would care unless it was much larger or much smaller than average (both negatives).

So, umm, yeah... If you like big, then that`s perfectly fine. It`s you and your personal experience. But there is a cultural push, and undoubtedly a placebo effect behind some of it.

Yeah.. well said.

I think it's the same with guys and certain body parts to some extent though I've always been pretty candid with what I find attractive.

For example breasts... I really don't care about them. I'm supposed to like them though according to all the media out there. And while I admit that I find big ones fascinating to an extent... It's not in a "damn that's hot" kinda way. It's more in a "Holy sh*t did you see that?" kinda way.

Suki; Perhaps it would be easier if you simply stated. As a personal preference, YOU perfer bigger guys, who know how to use "It". That seems to be the gist of your arguement. Least as I'm understanding it. :confused:

Here's what I find ridiculous about this thread.

No one can make a generalization without being attacked by the qualification police and exception pushers.

Sure many women don't care about size.
Those who do, however, will most of the time prefer larger over smaller.
All other things being equal, skill and endurance etc, larger will get the preference by those women who do care about size.

The other ridiculous thing is BobbyCooper's holy crusade to uphold asian values, on this and other threads. You're so far off base it's ridiculous. There are equally as many asian as non-asian women who are and aren't obsessed or worried about sexual performance based on any reason, including penis size.

Your ridiculous notion that asian people have some vastly different set of morals is so obscene to anyone who knows the truth. You need to change your opinion or shut up and stop spreading this bullshit before other asia-fanatics believe and keep spreading your nonsense.

In different ways, Japanese culture is equally as immoral as western culture.
If you disagree with this statement, start a separate thread about it and get your thoughts sorted out there with people who DO know a lot more about the matter than you do.

Geez dude shut up.

I have nothing against generalizations.

But for me to agree with one, at the very least they have to correspond with my perceptions.

Hint: It's not the generalizations that are the problem... it's the fact that they're perceived to be wrong and not percieved as being true by those that oppose them.

Get that through your head.

omg lol^^ so you truly believe that do you? Maybe you should stop only hanging out with your Western dudes for a little while maybe? That would be a good start.

I speak from my own experience and if you believe that Western standards also apply to Asians, well then you are sooooo far off and have no clue what so ever!

Actually, it's a complete different world.. that should give you an Idea!

I am not even bothering anymore.. absolutely ridiculous!!!