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Post traces of radiation - 04-08-2011, 11:35 PM

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Just saw this on NHK World, which confuse me. They are saying the level of radiation around Fukushima has no health concern, and that traces of radiation from around the world is still MUCH lower than that of Chernobyl. That said, they are saying that this incident was worse than Three Mile, if thats the case, why was Three Mile such a big deal then????
Three Mile Island incident was a first of such kind known for wide public, IIRC. People were scared mostly due to lack of valid information.
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Inside report from Fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone - 04-09-2011, 12:06 AM

Watch this video to see exactly how it is like Inside The Nuclear Evacuation Zone - (15 minutes)

YouTube - Inside report from Fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone

Fukushima, Japan - The Japanese government has issued the evacuation order on March 12 for the residents living within the 20 kilometer radius of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant.

Since then, residents have left their homes, and the "no man land" has been out of touch with the rest of the world.

A Japanese journalist, Tetsuo Jimbo, ventured through the evacuation zone last Sunday, and filed the following video report.

He says that, inside the evacuation zone, homes,building, roads and bridges, which were torn down by Tsunami, are left completely untouched, and the herd of cattle and pet dogs, left behind by the owners, wonders around the town while the radiation level remains far beyond legal limits.
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04-09-2011, 12:12 AM

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Watch this video to see exactly how it is like Inside The Nuclear Evacuation Zone - (15 minutes)

YouTube - Inside report from Fukushima nuclear reactor evacuation zone

Fukushima, Japan - The Japanese government has issued the evacuation order on March 12 for the residents living within the 20 kilometer radius of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant.

Since then, residents have left their homes, and the "no man land" has been out of touch with the rest of the world.

A Japanese journalist, Tetsuo Jimbo, ventured through the evacuation zone last Sunday, and filed the following video report.

He says that, inside the evacuation zone, homes,building, roads and bridges, which were torn down by Tsunami, are left completely untouched, and the herd of cattle and pet dogs, left behind by the owners, wonders around the town while the radiation level remains far beyond legal limits.
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Post steel fence - 04-09-2011, 04:24 AM

TEPCO begins building steel wall, fence to prevent sea contamination

TOKYO, April 9, Kyodo

The operator of a crippled Fukushima nuclear power station started Saturday to install a steel wall and fence to prevent more water containing radioactive substances from seeping into the Pacific Ocean.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. plans to plug a seawater intake connected to the No. 2 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi complex with seven steel sheets and a 120-meter-wide curtain-like fence near the intake and two other locations nearby.

The company already stopped the leakage of water contaminated with radioactive materials from near the intake Wednesday. But it went with the construction of the steel sheet wall and the so-called silt fence to allay environmental concerns that have been raised domestically and internationally.

Radioactive iodine reading was 63,000 times the legal limit in seawater near the intake a day after contaminated water stopped leaking into the sea.

Along with efforts to stop the leakage of toxic water, TEPCO also released about 9,000 tons of water containing relatively low-level radioactive materials into the Pacific, saying the massive amount of such water in the premises slowed the work to get the plant under control.

==Kyodo
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04-09-2011, 04:41 AM

3 Mile island was not a huge deal. The core did melt down and collapse at the bottom of the containment unit and some minor venting did occur. The core fizzled in the water at bottom of containment unit and became a solid lump. That reactor is shut down yes. However nobody died, cancer rates around the plant are lower than in surrounding counties and the second reactor ( they had two) has been operateing since then and is still active today.

Mostly it was over reaction due to the incident takeing place at same time as that stupid China Syndrome movie.
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Post the movie - 04-09-2011, 10:09 AM

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Mostly it was over reaction due to the incident takeing place at same time as that stupid China Syndrome movie.
I read that China Syndrome was released just prior to 3 Mile Island incident.
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Post 28 days later - 04-10-2011, 02:14 AM

Some residents returning to evacuation zones near crippled nuke plant

FUKUSHIMA, Japan, April 10, Kyodo

Residents are temporarily returning to the government-designated evacuation zone near the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant to collect belongings needed for their new lives elsewhere, despite the radiation risk.

An elderly couple living within the zone, meanwhile, said they noticed increased vehicle traffic since the start of April and lights turned on at some homes in the neighborhood.

Due to radiation fears after the March 11 quake and tsunami smashed the nuclear power plant, the Japanese government has asked people within 20 kilometers of the nuclear plant to evacuate and those in the 20-30 km ring to stay indoors or ''voluntarily leave'' the area, where it is getting difficult to live a normal life due to a lack of goods and services.

The city of Minamisoma, part of which straddles both zones, is planning to start schools near the outside of these designated areas, as local officials say residents are beginning to return to the 20-30 km ring zone.

One of those who recently made a return trip to the 20-km evacuation zone is a 44-year-old company employee who has been taking shelter in Tochigi Prefecture.
The man, from Namie, about 7 kilometers from the plant, said he started the trip by car Tuesday night together with a sister and a cousin, both from Futaba town, next to Namie.

Just before entering the evacuation zone Wednesday morning, they wore two layers of raincoats, gloves, masks and shoes covered with plastic bags. After dropping the sister and the cousin in Futaba, 4 km from the plant, he entered Namie. ''It was bizarre. So quiet and eerie,'' he said. ''Even if I want to start a new life, I just don't have money and get no support from the authorities,'' he said. ''There was no other option.''


No one was seen in the town where he used to live. Tsunami-damaged buildings were left untouched, he said.

He said he just picked up his health insurance card, TV, suits, some clothes and shoes along with a photo album.

He said he saw several other cars carrying household items like his on his way to pick up his relatives

He returned to his shelter at around 9 p.m. Wednesday, feeling exhausted. He said he was relieved radiation screening after the trip turned out to be negative.

According to Fukushima Prefecture, traffic is restricted at the 20 km boundary on major roads manned by police officers who urge people to keep out, but have no legal binding power attached to the government's evacuation directive. Many people have been reentering the zone through back roads, according to prefectural officials.

The elderly couple, living around 19 km north of Fukushima Daiichi in Minamisoma city, told Kyodo News over the phone that they have electricity and can get water from a well. ''Nothing has changed in town but people are gone.''

The woman, 67, was working in Tokyo on March 11, while her 75-year-old partner was at home in Minamisoma with his six horses. His home was designated part of the evacuation zone on the night of March 12.

The man evacuated at first, but after meeting up with his partner in Tokyo, they decided to return on March 18, although they ''feared radiation,'' they said.

The man said they went outdoors on March 24 and saw police officers in protective gear patrolling. After one week, he started to see animal welfare groups in the town where pet dogs were left unattended and felt less threatened by radiation and wondered about the significance of the 20 km zoning.

From April 1 on, car traffic increased and lights were turned on in some homes in the neighborhood, he said.

Life is inconvenient for them, nonetheless. Gas supplies have been halted. They have to go once every week for grocery shopping at a super market 20 km away by car. The town hospital remains closed.

On April 6, they underwent radiation screening that showed they were both negative. At home they do not even wear masks, they said, adding that they had noticed people returning.

The Minamisoma city government is planning to resume school for primary and middle school pupils in late April, officials said Saturday. People are returning to the 20-30 km zone even though the government recommends people leave voluntarily, they said.

Of the zone's roughly 6,000 pupils, around 1,700 are currently staying in the zone or near it. Many school buildings in the city have been damaged by the quake and are not ready for reopening even after Wednesday, which was supposed to be the starting day for the new school year.

The city is planning to use four school buildings confirmed safe just outside the ring zone. In order to reduce pupils' exposure to the air when they come to school and go home, the city is planning to run school buses.

While the central government is considering designating the 20-30 km ring an evacuation zone, a city official said of their schooling plan, ''It is a desperate measure to provide children with chances to learn and is not intended to call citizens back to the city.''

==Kyodo

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''Even if I want to start a new life, I just don't have money and get no support from the authorities,'' he said. ''There was no other option.''

There are no other options for evacuated people.....
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Post apples to oranges - 04-12-2011, 02:10 AM

URGENT: UPDATE1: Japan to raise nuke accident severity level to highest 7 from 5

TOKYO, April 12, Kyodo

Japan has decided to raise the severity level of the accident at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to 7, the highest on an international scale, from the current 5, government sources said Tuesday.

The sources close to the Nuclear and Industry Safety Agency under the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry said the Japanese government decided to raise the level to the highest 7 on the International Nuclear Event Scale, which has so far only been applied to the 1986 Chernobyl catastrophe.

The current provisional evaluation of 5 is at the same level as the Three Mile Island accident in the United States in 1979.

==Kyodo

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04-12-2011, 02:27 AM

Yet they said it wasn't as bad as Chernobyl, according to NHK World. (Btw, there was a 6.2 about 77 klicks from the studios, 10 klicks deep, during their live news and not one person said a thing) They said it wasn't as bad because the explosion didn't blow out the reactor and the integrity of the containment vessel wasn't totally compromised, or something similar.

So, if they said it's a 7 but isn't as bad as Chernobyl, why would they skip 6 and go straight to 7 from a 5? Just asking....

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04-12-2011, 03:09 AM

Everyone needs to take note - this is a revised rating. Also, 7 does not mean Chernobyl levels - 7 is simply the highest number on the scale. Chernobyl literally went off the scales. It has been said countless times that if the scale went to 10, Chernobyl would still have been at least a 12.

Anyway though - they have revised the rating for the original problems. They were unable to fully comprehend the level of the original events (broken equipment, lack of supplies to check, inability to approach, etc), but now have those capabilities and are able to give a more accurate rating to what happened.

I am seriously confused by why it is leaping from 5 to 7. I guess that is the official thing - they`ve been on the news a number of times saying it was worse than a 5, but less than a Chernobyl, and saying that it was a 6... But I guess they never officially upgraded the number rating until now.

No, wait, I figured it out - they`ve combined the individual reactor events into a single event, knocking the number up. The individual reactors are still considered to be 5s - but more than one has pushed it up to 7.

It is a serious thing, but I still do not think that it is anywhere close to the level of Chernobyl. I also think that the media will not agree, as all they`re going to look at is the number scale.
A 7 is a "Major release of radio­active ­material with widespread health and environmental effects r­equiring implementation of planned and extended ­countermeasures"
There is a whole lot of leeway in there. Chernobyl went to the extreme. Fukushima has not.


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