I think the solution is more complicated than that. North Korea's population is endoctrinated but they're also humans. We can't simply drop a bomb to fix all the problems on Earth. The United States signed four treaties called "The Geneva Conventions". Those conventions seted the standards for international law for humanitarian concerns. Your solution is prohibited by the United Nations Security Council Special Notice.
Even if you want to start a preventive war, it is considered an act of agression in international law.
Obama hasn't taken that attitude at all. He's tried ridiculously hard to be bipartisan (too hard in fact) with all of his decisions. It's just unfortunate that the Republicans refuse to support any plans because they're too busy covering their ears and screaming about socialism. What you are talking about is the attitude that Bush took throughout his presidency. Bush constantly pushed for things that he knew the majority of the country did not support if it meant pleasing Exxon and Focus on the Family.
Except that it does happen. Crack open a history book. Spending on certain things revitalizes the economy by creating jobs and restoring communities. Do you know what historically doesn't help or make any sense at all?...
Yes the economy will just magically get better if we stop spending money. Because that's how economies work; the less money you spend the better they become. It worked well in preventing the Great Depression, didn't it? Oh wait. Also, I love it when people just scream about capitalism and how it is always the savior. Capitalism is extremely broken and simply doesn't work without some form of governmental oversight. If we simply let all of these companies fail it would just throw us even deeper into the recession - people would lose the warranties on their cars, banks would close and people would lose their investments, housing foreclosures would increase. But don't worry because that's just CAPITALISM and I'm sure it will just rebound when we are all dead. Socialism works very well when mixed with capitalism. Without some form of socialism we wouldn't have libraries, highways, public schools, or countless other things you wouldn't even consider giving up.
This whole recession wasn't caused by Democrats, no matter what Sean Hannity tells you. Republicans were the ones who constantly removed vital regulations that helped stabilize our economy in the first place. Republicans were the ones who insisted on lower taxes for the extremely rich in the name of Reagan-Esq trickle down economics, which has been proven time and again to NOT WORK. Republicans have vilified the democratic party as tax-hungry communists and convinced people that you could somehow reduce debt without raising taxes.
Except that, as I said before, Obama has bent over backwards to cooperate with Republicans and it has cost him too much. In order to get minor support the stimulus bill has been greatly weakened and he's postponed or given up on important oversights that are lacking from our country. The Republicans had their chance; they inherited a country that was stable and in good economic shape and managed to start two wars, cripple education, and thrust the country into an economic crisis. Now it's Obama's turn, and it's laughable to think that he would be able to undo 8 years of terrible legislation in a mere two months.
NO, the stimulus bill was horribly bad. NO bill has any value when no one in congress has read it, to pass it. Secondly when did it become sound to try to spend your way out of debt? Does it have to be said of the ridiculous pork that was in it? Also when did Afghanistan become an "bad war"? Throwing money at an broken education system sounds great, until you realize that your wasting money that could be used to actually reform the system. I do think Berny frank was one of the leading people who told us we were "sound", and guess what he's Democrat.
I"m sorry but the USA is an capitalism society and our system is only set up to support Capitalism. You actually need to look up what caused the great depression and how we got out of it. I don't get when we bail out companies that have proven later to actually need MORE money, to be a good thing. Umm, capitalism and socialism doesn't work together never did, and are total opposites of each other. Your an fool to think that democrats are free from causing this recession when they even forget that we are in one and continue to spend. I"m sorry to again remind you I actually look up what I"m talking about, which amounts to more thinking my party an God-send.
So I can go out tomorrow and get as much credit cards as I want to spend and have the others to pay off the dept on the first card? Let me modify my argument for an bit to get the point across. When did borrowing money from China count as good economic growth? That said, the concept of taking money YOU DON"T HAVE to spurt more money is just idiotic.
Obama has mocked the notion that a stimulus bill shouldn't include huge spending. He's also defended earmarks as inevitable in such a package. And he's pointedly reminded Republicans about who won the November election. when you have virtually no bipartisan support, your having an problem. There's an fundamental disagreement between Obama and Financial-Conservatives, the stimulus bill hit it big time. Point being there was no bipartisanship in the stimulus bill.
Here's the guy I was talking about.
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1 Corinthians 10: 31-33
31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
Proven example of previous statement. In all of that where is your opinion where is your fix? All i read was about what others have said i know what their views are i read it everyday.
Did it ever occur to you, before you posted that I may have ascribed to one of said solutions? If you knew, why did you post something that is contradictory to what has been said?
1 Corinthians 10: 31-33
31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
NO, the stimulus bill was horribly bad. NO bill has any value when no one in congress has read it, to pass it.
You are talking about the stimulus package that was passed just before Bush exited office. This was the package that was over 1000 pages and had been put together for months until a last minute negotiation that changes a few percentage points. Some republican senators liked to spout the fact that that "no one had time to read it", but it was like watching "Titanic", and then voting on "Titanic, The Director's Cut" with a few minutes of changes. OK, maybe you hadn't seen this version, but don't pretend like you hadn't seen the movie.
NO, the stimulus bill was horribly bad. NO bill has any value when no one in congress has read it, to pass it. Secondly when did it become sound to try to spend your way out of debt? Does it have to be said of the ridiculous pork that was in it? Also when did Afghanistan become an "bad war"? Throwing money at an broken education system sounds great, until you realize that your wasting money that could be used to actually reform the system. I do think Berny frank was one of the leading people who told us we were "sound", and guess what he's Democrat.
I"m sorry but the USA is an capitalism society and our system is only set up to support Capitalism. You actually need to look up what caused the great depression and how we got out of it. I don't get when we bail out companies that have proven later to actually need MORE money, to be a good thing. Umm, capitalism and socialism doesn't work together never did, and are total opposites of each other. Your an fool to think that democrats are free from causing this recession when they even forget that we are in one and continue to spend. I"m sorry to again remind you I actually look up what I"m talking about, which amounts to more thinking my party an God-send.
So I can go out tomorrow and get as much credit cards as I want to spend and have the others to pay off the dept on the first card? Let me modify my argument for an bit to get the point across. When did borrowing money from China count as good economic growth? That said, the concept of taking money YOU DON"T HAVE to spurt more money is just idiotic.
Obama has mocked the notion that a stimulus bill shouldn't include huge spending. He's also defended earmarks as inevitable in such a package. And he's pointedly reminded Republicans about who won the November election. when you have virtually no bipartisan support, your having an problem. There's an fundamental disagreement between Obama and Financial-Conservatives, the stimulus bill hit it big time. Point being there was no bipartisanship in the stimulus bill.
You aren't even using common sense, so there's not much point in trying to debate this. I'll just say that firstly, you have to spend money to make money (look up "Investment") and secondly, there are tons of socialized programs in our country (all those things I pointed out like libraries that you ignored) so socialism and capitalism do work together. Total capitalism without government oversight is called "anarchism"
You aren't even using common sense, so there's not much point in trying to debate this. I'll just say that firstly, you have to spend money to make money (look up "Investment") and secondly, there are tons of socialized programs in our country (all those things I pointed out like libraries that you ignored) so socialism and capitalism do work together. Total capitalism without government oversight is called "anarchism"
You have to spend money INVESTING to make money, i.e. build infrastructure so Americans can raise their exports to pay off their stupendous debt. But all the stimulous bill does is spend more money on CONSUMPTION (buy MORE cars, MORE iPods, MORE Plasma TVs) which can't be considered wealth generating assets so essentially, no the stimulous bill is crap.
Oh and when's the last time Command economy worked? Let's see.... never. So don't even think about making the argument that the government knows better than the market where to invest in an economy through stimulous spending. Bullocks.
You have to spend money INVESTING to make money, i.e. build infrastructure so Americans can raise their exports to pay off their stupendous debt. But all the stimulous bill does is spend more money on CONSUMPTION (buy MORE cars, MORE iPods, MORE Plasma TVs) which can't be considered wealth generating assets so essentially, no the stimulous bill is crap.
Oh and when's the last time Command economy worked? Let's see.... never. So don't even think about making the argument that the government knows better than the market where to invest in an economy through stimulous spending. Bullocks.
This is not what this thread is about, so we should really refocus...
