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11-30-2009, 11:57 PM
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Why don't you engage the alleged damning evidence? Because there is none. Don't waste your time repeating the same thing. It won't get answered. Either prove how the content of some emails totally rebuff an entire scientific field, or just carry on with yourself. 
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Because you say there isn't any evidence doesn't make it so. I think the links to many reliable news sources other than Fox News (the best news source) such as CBS and other which you simple dismiss the content of these articles. Not to mention the countless other scientific agencies inside the CBS article is proof enough that the data could be faulty. It would be foolish for any scientist or government to ignore such possible faulty data. Much of the data from these universities is where government entities acquire their data. This is how this data gets to "NORAD". There seems to be more than just a couple of E-mails hacked. More like 160 megabytes of E-mail, source programs and data. Climategate: Why it matters • The Register Your post reads of blind rage as does of Tenchu's with his kind words.
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12-01-2009, 12:49 AM
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This news is everywhere in all of the media. Also read the UK article before sticking your head in the sand and ignoring the facts of what could be world changing, before just trying to be what you think is politically correct. Climategate: Why it matters • The Register
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12-01-2009, 01:05 AM
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List of scientists opposing the mainstream scientific assessment of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Taken from the first post, which you forget to comprehend. It not about headline "hacked" but the CONTENT of those emails that is SUCH A ISSUE. You also went on to pull attacks out instead of actaully dealing with Sangetsu posts, which HAVE A LOT of information on said subject. I mean when the congress starts to address this issue, it's getting pretty big (the emails). that is not to say how far this corruption has spread. I would kinda of understand it, when you devout your life to a ideology there's a chance to want to forge false information when it starts to NOT add up. that still does not make it justifiable when even if it creates awareness to protect the planet. People need to be held accountable here. Another thing, saying intelligent people will stick to the facts, is calling ones who don't believe in Global warming non-intelligent. that's a personal attack. If you know anything about Ad hominem They kill any point you try to make. 31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
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12-01-2009, 04:05 AM
Global warming happens, it's a natural cycle every 500 years. Hell, Britian used to grow grapes 300 miles further north than they do now. The whole "Global Warming" PC buisiness is simply a motos operendi for a world government to usurp sovereignty from everyone.
Man can't change the Global enviroment that much, CO2 exchange rates are no different now than they have ever been. In fact, the earth has been cooling for the last several years. The US had it's coolist summer on record. That doesn't mean people can't change local climates or enviroments, that they can do, as the Dust Bowl proved. Nor does it mean we should stop trying to utilize green energy. However, I put no stock in Global warming or thier idiot answers, wich are nothing more than ways to decrease the US's standard of liveing and destroy it's economic/industrial ability.
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12-01-2009, 11:46 PM
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Way to also try to doge the actual thread in discussion. These e-mails point to a broader issue of corruption in the scientific community. It comes back to Al Gore when he grossly lied in an Inconvenient truth (but I guess you going to try to deny that claim also, might want to take that up with the British Government also...). As it stands in light of th e-mails how trustworthy would those Sources even be? THAT is exactly the issue here. THE MANHATTAN DECLARATION ON CLIMATE CHANGE We, the scientists and researchers in climate and related fields, economists, policymakers, and business leaders, assembled at Times Square, New York City, participating in the 2008 International Conference on Climate Change, Resolving that scientific questions should be evaluated solely by the scientific method; Affirming that global climate has always changed and always will, independent of the actions of humans, and that carbon dioxide (CO2) is not a pollutant but rather a necessity for all life; Recognising that the causes and extent of recently-observed climatic change are the subject of intense debates in the climate science community and that oft-repeated assertions of a supposed ‘consensus’ among climate experts are false; Affirming that attempts by governments to legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage CO2 emission reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly diminish future prosperity and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing human suffering; Noting that warmer weather is generally less harmful to life on Earth than colder: Hereby declare: That current plans to restrict anthropogenic CO2 emissions are a dangerous misallocation of intellectual capital and resources that should be dedicated to solving humanity’s real and serious problems. That there is no convincing evidence that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity has in the past, is now, or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change. That attempts by governments to inflict taxes and costly regulations on industry and individual citizens with the aim of reducing emissions of CO2 will pointlessly curtail the prosperity of the West and progress of developing nations without affecting climate. That adaptation as needed is massively more cost-effective than any attempted mitigation, and that a focus on such mitigation will divert the attention and resources of governments away from addressing the real problems of their peoples. That human-caused climate change is not a global crisis. Now, therefore, we recommend – That world leaders reject the views expressed by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change as well as popular, but misguided works such as “An Inconvenient Truth”. That all taxes, regulations, and other interventions intended to reduce emissions of CO2 be abandoned forthwith. Agreed at New York, 4 March 2008. that would be an interesting read for you. 31 Whether therefore ye eat or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God. 33 Even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved.
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12-02-2009, 03:00 AM
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Dr. John Apel, oceanographer, Global Oceans Associates, formerly with Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory. Dr. David Aubrey, Senior Scientist, Marine Policy Center, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institute, Massachusetts Dr. Duwayne M. Anderson,Professor, Texas A&M University Dr. Robert Balling, Professor and Director of the Office of Climatology, Arizona State University; more than 80 research articles published in scientific journals; author of The Heated Debate: Greenhouse Predictions vs. Climate Reality (1992); coauthor, Interactions of Desertifications and Climate, a report for the UN Environmental Program and the World Meteorological Organization; contributor/reviewer, IPCC. Dr. Jack Barrett, Imperial College, London, UK Dr. Warren Berning, atmospheric physicist, New Mexico State University Dr. Jiri Blumel, Institute Sozialokon. Forschg. Usti nad Labem, Czech Republic Bruce Boe, atmospheric scientist and Director of the North Dakota Atmospheric Resources Board; member, American Meteorological Society; former chairman, AMS Committee on Planned and Inadvertent Weather Modification. Dr. C.J.F. Böttcher, Chairman of the Board, The Global Institute for the Study of Natural Resources, The Hague, The Netherlands; Professor Emeritus of physical chemistry, Leiden University; past President of the Science Policy Council of The Netherlands; former member, Scientific Council for Government Policy; former head of the Netherlands Delegation to the OECD Committee for Science and Technology; author, The Science and Fiction of the Greenhouse Effect and Carbon Dioxide; founding member of The Club of Rome. Dr. Arthur Bourne, Professor, University of London, UK Larry H. Brace, physicist, former director of the Planetary Atmospheres Branch, NASA Goddard Space Flight Center; recipient NASA Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement. Dr. Norman M.D. Brown, FRSC, Professor, University of Ulster. Dr. R.A.D. Byron-Scott, meteorologist, formerly senior lecturer in meteorology, Flinders Institute for Atmospheric and Marine Science, Flinders University, Adelaide, Australia Dr. Joseph Cain, Professor of planetary physics and geophysics, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Institute, Florida State University; elected Fellow, American Geophysical Union; formerly with NASA Goddard Space Flight Center (scientific satellites) and the U.S. Geological Survey. Dr. Gabriel T. Csanady, meteorologist, Eminent Professor, Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Virginia. Robert Cunningham, consulting meteorologist, Fellow, American Meteorological Society Dr. Fred W. Decker, Professor of meteorology, Oregon State University, Corvalis, Oregon; elected Fellow, AAAS; member, RMS, NWA, AWA, AMS. Lee W. Eddington, meteorologist, Naval Air Warfare Center Dr. Hugh Ellsaesser, atmospheric scientist, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (1963-1986); Participating Guest Scientist, Lawrence Livermore Natl. Lab. (1986-1996), more than 40 refereed research papers and major reports in the scientific literature. Dr. John Emsley, Imperial College, London, UK Dr. Otto Franzle, Professor, University of Kiel, Germany Dr. C.R. de Freitas, climate scientist, University of Auckland, New Zealand, Editor of the international journal Climate Research Dr. John E. Gaynor, Senior Meteorologist, Environmental Technology Laboratory, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Boulder, Colorado Dr. Tor Ragnar Gerholm, Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Stockholm, member of Nobel Prize selection committee for physics; member, Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and Royal Swedish Academy of Engineering Sciences, author of several books on science and technology. Dr. Gerhard Gerlich, Professor, Technical University of Braunschweig. Dr. Thomas Gold, Professor of astrophysics, Cornell University, Ithaca, New York Dr. H.G. Goodell, Professor, University of Virginia, Charlottesville James D. Goodridge, climatologist, formerly with California Dept. of Water Resources. Dr. Adrian Gordon, meteorologist, University of South Australia. Prof. Dr. Eckhard Grimmel, Professor, University Hamburg, Germany. Dr. Nathaniel B. Guttman, Research Physical Scientist, National Climatic Data Center, Asheville, North Carolina; former Professor of atmospheric sciences/climatology; former Chairman, AMS Committee on Applied Climatology. Dr. Paul Handler, Professor of chemistry, University of Illinois. Dr. Vern Harnapp, Professor, University of Akron, Ohio Dr. Howard C. Hayden, Professor of physics, University of Connecticut Dr. Michael J. Higatsberger, Professor and former Director, Institute for Experimental Physics, University of Vienna, Austria; former Director, Seibersdorf Research Center of the Austrian Atomic Energy Agency; former President, Austrian Physical Society. Dr. Austin W. Hogan, meteorologist, co-editor of the journal Atmospheric Research. Dr. William Hubbard, Professor, University of Arizona, Dept. of Planetary Sciences; elected Fellow of the American Geophysical Union. Dr. Heinz Hug, lecturer, Wiesbaden, Germany Dr. Zbigniew Jaworski, University of Warsaw, Poland Dr. Kelvin Kemm, nuclear physicist, Director, Technology Strategy Consultants, Pretoria, South Africa; columnist, Engineering News; author, Techtrack: A Winding Path of South African Development. Dr. Robert L. Kovach, Professor of geophysics, Stanford University, Palo Alto, California Dr. David R. Legates, Professor of meteorology, University of Oklahoma Dr. Heinz H. Lettau, geophysicist, Increase A. Lapham Professor Emeritus, University of Wisconsin Dr. Henry R. Linden, Max McGraw Professor of Energy and Power Engineering and Management, Director, Energy and Power Center, Illinois Institute of Technology; elected Fellow, American Institute of Chemical Engineers; former member, Energy Engineering Board of the National Research Council; member, Green Technology Committee, National Academy of Engineering. Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Sloane Professor of Meteorology, Center for Meteorology and Physical Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts. Dr. J. P. Lodge, atmospheric chemist, Boulder, Colorado Dr. Anthony R. Lupo, atmospheric scientist, Professor, University of Missouri at Columbia, reviewer/contributing author, IPCC. Dr. George E. McVehil, meteorologist, Englewood, Colorado Dr. Helmut Metzner, Professor, Tubingen, Germany Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, Professor and Director of the State Office of Climatology, University of Virginia; more than 50 research articles published in scientific journals; past President, American Association of State Climatologists; author, Sound and Fury: The Science and Politics of Global Warming (1992); reviewer/contributing author, IPCC. Sir William Mitchell, physicist, University of Oxford, U.K. Dr. Asmunn Moene, former chief of Meteorology, Oslo, Norway. Laim Nagle, energy/engineering specialist, Cornfield University, UK Robert A. Neff, former U.S. Air Force meteorologist: member, AMS, AAAS. Dr. William A. Nierenberg, Director Emeritus, Scripps Institute of Oceanography, La Jolla, California; Professor Emeritus of oceanography, University of California at San Diego; former member, Council of the U.S. National Academy of Science; former Chairman, National Research Council's Carbon Dioxide Assessment Committee; former member, U.S. EPA Global Climate Change Committee; former Assistant Secretary General of NATO for scientific affairs; former Chairman, National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmospheres. Dr. William Porch, atmospheric physicist, Los Alamos National Laboratory, New Mexico. Dr. Harry Priem, Professor of geology, University of Utrecht Unfortunately, I had to shorten this list significantly, there is a 10,000 character limit for posts here. So much for a "consensus among the world's leading scientists".
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12-02-2009, 03:02 AM
Here is another part of the list of skeptical scientists:
Dr. William E. Reifsnyder, Professor Emeritus of biometeorology, Yale University; elected Fellow, American Association for the Advancement of Science; former Chairman, National Academy of Science/National Research Council Committee on Climatology; AMS Award for Outstanding Achievement in Biometeorology. Dr. Alexander Robertson, meteorologist, Adjunct Professor, Memorial University of Newfoundland, Canada; author of more than 200 scientific and technical publications in biometeorology and climatology, forestry, forest ecology, urban environmental forestry, and engineering technology. Dr. Thomas Schmidlin, CCM, Professor of meteorology/climatology, Kent State University, Ohio; editor, Ohio Journal of Science, elected Fellow, Ohio Academy of Science; member, AMS. Dr. Frederick Seitz, physicist, former President, Rockefeller University, former President, U.S. National Academy of Sciences; former member, President's Science Advisory Committee; recipient, U.S. National Medal of Science. Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Executive Director, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study and the Cooperative Institute for Research in the Integrated Ocean Sciences; contributed to the initial development of the Climate Change Program of the National Oceanic And Atmospheric Administration; investigated climate-related resource variabilities, sustainable development, and basic environmental climatology for the UN, World Bank, and USAID. Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist; President, The Science & Environmental Policy Project; former Director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service; Professor Emeritus of environmental science, University of Virginia; former Chairman, federal panel investigating effects of the SST on stratospheric ozone; author or editor of 16 books, including Global Climate Change (1989) and Hot Talk, Cold Science: Global Warming's Unfinished Debate (1997). Dr. A. F. Smith, chemical engineer (ret.), Jacksonville, Florida Dr. Fred J. Starheim, Professor, Kent State University Dr. Chauncey Starr, President Emeritus, Electric Power Research Institute, winner 1992 National Medal of Engineering Dr. Robert E. Stevenson, Secretary General Emeritus, International Association for the Physical Sciences of the Oceans, and a leading world authority on space oceanography; more than 100 research articles published in scientific journals; author of seven books; advisor to NASA, NATO, U.S. National Academy of Science, and the European Geophysical Society. Dr. George Stroke, Professor, Max Planck Institute for Meteorology, Munich, Germany Dr. Heinz Sundermann, University of Vienna, Austria Dr. George H. Sutton, Professor Emeritus, University of Hawaii Dr. Arlen Super, meteorologist, U.S. Bureau of Reclamation, Lakewood, Colorado Dr. Vladimir Svidersky, Professor, Sechenoc Institute, Moscow, Russia Dr. M. Talwani, geophysicist, Rice University, Houston, Texas. Dr. W. F. Tanner, Professor, Florida State University Peter Arnold Toynbee, chemical engineer, F. Institute of Energy, London, England. Dr. Christiaan Van Sumere, Professor, University of Gent, Belgium Dr. Robin Vaugh, physicist, University of Dundee, UK Dr. Robert C. Wentworth, geophysicist, Oakland, California, formerly with Lochheed Reseach Laboratory. Dr. Robert C. Whitten, physicist, formerly with NASA. Dr. Klaus Wyrtki, Professor Emeritus, University of Hawaii Sea Level Center There are many more, but I have to go to work.
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