What do you think about Final Fantasy?

[animelover32]

Originally Posted by Alastor

I never liked the first five Final Fantasies, but Final Fantasy VI is really a masterpiece. IF that game gets redone and released on DS, PSP or PS3, I am SO going to buy it. I can't replay it simply due to graphics because I already have beaten the game and so I need a better experience actually playing the game.

You really need to play Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy IX. The latter is basically what Final Fantasy really is, and after that, Final Fantasy has never been the same. Really.

I've been dying to play both of those. I'm a fan of all the other VII things they've made now i just need to play the game that started them all. Hopefully, this summer, my friend is going to be coming over where I live and he'll let me borrow both of them. It took me forever to pursuade him to let me borrow VII.

[LittleFallenAngel]

i loveeee finalfantasy<333333...

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Alastor

My friend finished this Mario game very quickly omg it's lame because of that? Yes it must be, despite the fact that it's MArio Galaxy, crowned the best damned game ever made.

Well, I found Onimusha good, for about 5 hours. That is not long enough to be good for me. It had a lack of cut scenes which meant the story was not really strong or compelling. If people enjoy short games it is okay. I dont. Everyone is different.

Originally Posted by Alastor

Also, you said you know the games and don't like them? You haven't tried either Silent Hill I suggested. I'm very certain you haven't tried Alundra or Okami. Ever given Project Zero a genuine shot?

You mean Silent Hill 1? Coz I said I played 2 and 3. Loved 2, hated 3. Yeah, I played the first as well, it was alright. Project Zero, that is with the camera, right? Yeah, I played that for a few hours, but it bored me.

Originally Posted by Alastor

I think you're one of those gamers who only play games you're familiar with, and refuse to try out a game with a title you're unfamilir with. So let's just leave it at that, because I really won't be arguing with you anymore about this. You have your opinion, I have mine.

That is not true. Before my life started when I was about 18, I am 21 now. I would keep going back to the game shop looking at the new games, looking for something new. I was so bored then, and was desperate to find a new game or something to do. Most the time when I bought a random, I did not like it. I did try a lot of games, and would end up taking most of the back to swap em for another. That was PS2 and Xbox. I found I mostly only liked very specific games. Why do you have a hard time excepting that?

Originally Posted by Alastor

Now, as for game designer... ahh, no. Take a look at Massive Entertainment, where I want to work. Applying for game designer, among a few other things, only require 3 years worth of experience. I don't want to work at Square-Enix or Capcom or Konami or any other hot shot Japanese game company.

LOL, are you serious? There is no actual position as "game designer". Do you mean director? I know this, the directors are the most experienced people in the industry, and they always come about from just working for the company in animation and then when they look for new projects, one person in the team has a good idea that the others like, and all of a sudden a director is spawned. These companies are smaller than you might imagine, and work as a close team. They wont put an outsider right at the top. Go take a closer look, ask some questions to your 3D animation teacher, email pixar studios or something. I am not wrong. I studied this at college. Do you have any idea how many people have ideas for knock out games? ... Millions. No one will get employed just for that. You have to be able to work with computers and actually do input into making the actual game, and be willing to start out making someone elses title, not your own. If your ideas are as good as your confidence says, then you will climb quickly. But you still have to start at the bottom.

Probably the best shot you have of being a game designer straight up is to actually make a level of the game first, by yourself, and then put it into playable format and send it into a company. But even then, they will probably be scared to open it because of worries about copyright laws.

[chaseme]

Overated or whatever
you do realize that your rants to FF is minor fraction of the gaming community and majority do support the franchise, How many games do you know bears XIII at the end of its name? i think that have prove how the public accepts the title. If there is a demand in the market they will continue to produce it,

Your right selling the most doesnt mean its the best, but when VI sells then VII sell more and then VIII sell so much more and IX sell just as much.... That is when its the best.

Resident evil(in my case) i didnt like it i didnt buy any succeeding releases.
Final fantasy V i love it i bought VI-IX loved them, except i never finish IX(after i got the girl's*forgot the name* odin in DISC 1 which made all my friends envious at that time i stop, i was disappointed how weak odin is at that time)


To sum my points up not everyone have your "game designer" expectation
we are just people that played what we love, we love FF we want more of FF i wanna see a FFVIII movie i am looking forward for XIV

If you are really are aiming to be a game designer and wants to improves FF you should have presented something to the public that points out where the ff franchise fail and SOLID suggestion to improve it not just take a poll and have make everyone accept your view.
Thats what a game designer do they dont just whine they work to improve.

[Alastor]

1) Not interested in making anyone think what I think.

2) Tenchu, I said leave it at that BECAUSE I already accepted your opinion.

3) chaseme, If you think I'm whining, cover your ears. I think I'm stating my options reasonably well. My opinions, mind you.

4) Good or no good, they're still milking the franchise, why can't they have one team focus on the main FF's and let the others do their thing?

5) Tenchu, everything you said regarding game design, I already knew. Everything. Except this one bit: LOL, are you serious? There is no actual position as "game designer". You claim this, yet when I go to Massive Entertainment's website, you can apply for Junion Game Designer, Game Designer, and Senior Game Designer. Mate, I've been reading up on the gaming industry the past 12 or so months. I think I have a fairly decent idea of what I'm talking about.

6) I never said FF suck. I just think in some ways, these new FF games aren't of the same quality as the other FF games. It looks like FFXIII will be different. I like that.

7) By support, you must mean buy the game. Yes, lots of FF approvers will buy the games. Even if they kind of suck. See FFX-2.

[chaseme]

3) chaseme, If you think I'm whining, cover your ears. I think I'm stating my options reasonably well. My opinions, mind you.

re read your post and i dont see anything but whines and personal biased
"fun" differs from each person to say that something suck because is not "fun" for you is being subjective.


Although i am ignorant in game making and stuff, I think you should have known better on how to criticize as you are right now is nothing but a fault finder.

sorry but i hate people who whines but got nothing to make it better. If you think you are better than those who design FF put what ever ideas you got into words and present it to the public if you are as good as you think you are youll get the peoples attention .

you have already studied on what game designers do. Have you started on doing any game projects? 12 months or so is a long time you should have atleast a team to work with by now that is if you are serious.

[Alastor]

Originally Posted by chaseme

re read your post and i dont see anything but whines and personal biased
"fun" differs from each person to say that something suck because is not "fun" for you is being subjective.

Did you now? I'm glad you've seen the biased stuff because that's exactly what they are. My opinions. Biased on what I think is fun. I've never claimed otherwise. Everything regarding FF as games has been the victim of my opinion and my opinion alone. What I have claimed to be fact is the milking of the franchise, and with 25+ games going (which makes it more than 1 game per year), you can safely take that as fact. SE is milking the franchise. I don't like it, but I'm not saying they should stop. It makes money.

Originally Posted by chaseme

Although i am ignorant in game making and stuff, I think you should have known better on how to criticize as you are right now is nothing but a fault finder.

I am criticizing the games. I'm not giving constructive criticism because you only give that to the game developers themselves and I'm not interested in giving them constructive criticism.

Originally Posted by chaseme

sorry but i hate people who whines but got nothing to make it better. If you think you are better than those who design FF put what ever ideas you got into words and present it to the public if you are as good as you think you are youll get the peoples attention .

You want me to single-handedly and without payment whip out a game design document for a brand new FF game? Are you insane? Before you tell me that you just asked for ideas; ideas are a dime a dozen - worth nothing. It's how you execute the ideas that matters.

Originally Posted by chaseme

you have already studied on what game designers do. Have you started on doing any game projects? 12 months or so is a long time you should have atleast a team to work with by now that is if you are serious.

This is off-topic. And no, I haven't got a team. It's hard to get programmers, game designers, composers, graphics designers, concept artists and planners to work with you on a project without getting paid. I'm 18. Are you surprised?

[Alastor]

Also, you seem to view me as someone who dislikes FF, etc. I just need to clarifiy this is not the case. I've completed FFVI, FFVII (4 times), FFVIII (3 times), FFIX (twice), FFX (twice), FFX-2, FF:CC, and played FFIII, FFXI and FFXII extensively.

[Tenchu]

Originally Posted by Alastor

5) Tenchu, everything you said regarding game design, I already knew. Everything. Except this one bit: LOL, are you serious? There is no actual position as "game designer". You claim this, yet when I go to Massive Entertainment's website, you can apply for Junion Game Designer, Game Designer, and Senior Game Designer. Mate, I've been reading up on the gaming industry the past 12 or so months. I think I have a fairly decent idea of what I'm talking about.

Well lets not argue about it then. I just really wanne know the truth, especially since this is not a topic of opinion, just getting the facts straight. I used to be into the idea of being a 'game designer' myself, and did a year in computing, but in the end my heart pulled me in the opposite direction and here I am doing Muay Thai full time in Thailand. WOW. Anyway, I have never seen 'game designer' in the credits of any game. Which I have read a lot of credits for things, actually. The top jobs are producer and director and character design, but these three roles are usually shared with the others, since it is a team, they work well together and help each other. That said, you would think 'game design' would be a top job, but you never see it, only director. Or there is scenario design, real world design, battle system design, and so on, screen writer is another.

Tell me, what exactley are you planning on being employed to do? Lets get that distinguished first before we move on to what kind of credentials you will need to do that. So what do you want to do for step 1? And what do you imagine step 2 is?

[chaseme]

SE is milking FF too much i wonder why....Oh wait what are these things called supply and demand.
people are willing to purchase/buy products with the FF franchise. of course what will SE do.

I want you to write a game layout without payment?

first game designers make games as a hobby with no way to earn from it

Your only 18?

Im not suprised in fact im disappointed you should have atleast have an idea for a flash game or have made one already. Youll probably say your not interested in making such game your only interested in 3d games. Oh well good luck hope your "fantasy" come true. Be aware that your not the only soul dreaming to be one.
By the way in 1970s college students where already able to design games consider technology back then and today
what exactly are you doing for your dream to be a game designer

Hard to get a team?

"Early in the history of video games, game designers were often the lead programmer or the only programmer for a game, and this remained true as the video game industry dawned in the 1970s. This person also sometimes comprised the entire art team. This is the case of such noted designers as Sid Meier, Chris Sawyer and Will Wright. A notable exception to this policy was Coleco, which from its very start separated the function of design and programming." taken from wiki


Your only interested in criticizing?

oh well... how will your gaming experience improve or how will FF's improve if you only criticize




I think you will fail horribly being a game designer if you dont even understand the masses your thinking are way to subjective, game designers should have knowledge in psysocology and sociology



And i dont view you as someone who dislike FF is just think your way of thinking is way too subjective for someone aiming to be a game designer.